With that said, I put the over/under at 3 hours before Kamuitipsdotcom comes back on here and posts that graphic of the elasticity of each Kamui tip ... for the 94th time.
Kamui Tips
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With that said, I put the over/under at 3 hours before Kamuitipsdotcom comes back on here and posts that graphic of the elasticity of each Kamui tip ... for the 94th time.
The tip doesn't add more spin. Get a decent stroke and you won't need to chase the white rabbit. A tip adding more spin, Jesus. That's like underwear making more wiener.
MULLY
Just like a better tires don't add more grip? Better shoes more traction?
Somebody needs to get a clue, and it's not me.
Good luck with your stroke though! LOL!!!
Wow, do you need to get insulting? I can go there too if that's the way you want to play it. My comment about getting a stroke was in general, not directly aimed at you.
MULLY
if a tip actually added more spin i'd be afraid i'd be spinning the ball out of the picket.
mmmm... so how much side can you put on the CB with your phenolic break cue tip at slow speed.
Try thinking before typing!
I can spin the piss out of the ball with my phenolic break tip at almost any speed. Maybe you should try thinking before you insult a long time member with your fourth post here. That's just not the way to make friends.
Also, at a so-called "slow speed" most backspin will eventually roll into follow unless the object ball is very close to it. So try thinking before YOU type.
I think your long time friend started to insult people first when i was just offering my opinion. Basically telling us we are talking crap!
Trying reading all the posts before typing!
I think anyone in their right mind would understand that I'm talking tips of the same materials like a Kamui vs Moori. Obviously you need it drawn out in crayon. FWIW though, if you allow me to use chalk on that phenolic tip then yeah. I can spin it just fine. Regardless, you are poking at the ball. Is there some special glue built into the tip that makes it stick to the ball longer so you get this Kung-Fu grip on it? Also, looking at it from another angle, this tip has this so called "gripping" action......wouldn't that grip be gone as soon as you cover it with a layer of chalk?
MULLY
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I've never once thought about using side spin with my break cue. Please tell me that you think using side spin on a break shot opens the balls better, puts more action on them. HAHA!!!
MULLY
I don't have a phenolic tip on my break cue
What's strange is the automatic assumption that mully (or anyone for that matter) has a phenolic break cue tip
Look i'm sorry if i upset anyone but i did take offense when Mully said we were talking crap.
Most people here have both Phenolic and leather break cues but i guess your still not allowed to use them in some leagues over there so you may not have one.
You need side when you break with the cut break in 9 ball to keep the CB in the middle of the table.
I know that when i play the same amount of side with this tip i get more side because now i am having to adjust for it in my positional game. If you have been using the hardest tip they make then you will not have noticed much difference. So maybe thats the reason.
Lets just agree to disagree, the banter has been fun.
Most people here have both Phenolic and leather break cues but i guess your still not allowed to use them in some leagues over there so you may not have one.
You need side when you break with the cut break in 9 ball to keep the CB in the middle of the table.
I know that when i play the same amount of side with this tip i get more side because now i am having to adjust for it in my positional game. If you have been using the hardest tip they make then you will not have noticed much difference. So maybe thats the reason.
Lets just agree to disagree, the banter has been fun.
There's another assumption. we don't all play in leagues. it's always strange to me to hear people talk about what tips are and aren't illegal.
So let me ask you this, totally serious here, let's say that the tip actually does have more grab to it, once you cover it with chalk the actual surface of the tip doesn't contact the ball. How would the gripping action take place?
MULLY
Because the elasticity of tip more surface area is in contact with the CB on contact than a standard leather tip. Also i have found with this tip you can cue even more to the edge of the CB without miss cueing. But this is with the "soft" or "soft soft" tips not so much with the harder tips.
So you can que more central on the CB and get more side than a normal leather tip and you can also get yourself out of trouble with extreme side if you run out of position.
Try and find out what hardness the Kamui was you put on your cue Mully
This is because all materials have an associated coefficient of friction (COF). Since chalk is actually very course and granular, it increases the COF of the tip. Hence, if you ever put a new tip on (any kind) and don't chalk up, if you try a simple shot with extreme outside/inside english, you'll likely miscue. Try the same shot after chalking and you will likely not miscue. The chalk increases the COF and provides better "grip" on the cue ball due to increased friction between the cue ball and the chalked tip.
Different materials have different COF values against other materials. Think about pulling a brick on concrete with a rope... higher COF. Pull the same brick, but covered in teflon, it will be much easier to pull because of a lower COF.
Covering the tip with chalk does not create a layer of chalk that prevents the tip itself from contacting the cue ball. That would be physically impossible. The tip absorbs most of the chalk as any tip is porous at a molecular level. So the tip must still contact the cue ball, even after it has been chalked. If anything, adding chalk increases "grip" due to a higher COF. This is why we chalk our cues. If we never chalked, there would be many more miscues.
Ray
It's funny that I'm ranked in the SA class here, that is between A and pro, I've been playing this game damn near 25 years, and I'm having things explained to me like I'm a C class banger. Granted, I'm no scientist, but I'm going to stick with my opinion that a Kamui tip does not produce more spin. Someone was talking about getting increased spin but having trouble drawing a ball. That totally contradicts the increased spin theory. The fact of the matter is that drawing a ball is relying heavily on your stroke more than your tip.......and please, I'm not talking about using a totally flat tip or mishapen tip that isn't chalked. Let's be realistic here. As for miscuing, the majority of miscues are because of a poor stroke, cueing too far outside, or cueing too far out without chalk. I think everyone is aware that chalk is put on your tip to cause friction between the tip and the ball. As for a tip being pourous, yes, I agree, but when you chalk up your cue the chalk isn't being absorbed into the tip at a rate so high that you're actually hitting the ball with the material of the tip. There is most definitely a thin layer of chalk covering it.
Now, a Kamui may not go glossy as quick as a Moori, I couldn't say one way or the other on that one. But when you poke at a ball with your cue stick there is a split second where the tip is in contact with the cue ball. That contact time is not increased regardless of which tip you use. The tip doesn't have some special glue that grabs onto the ball.
Also, again, I don't know which tip this is, it wasn't stamped, it only said Kamui. You guys just tell me which one puts all this magical spin on it and I'll buy one and put it on my Jim White. I'll make sure to do a video test with the Moori then change to the Kamui and we can see what the results are. I'll make sure that I'm using the same cue/shaft in the testing because switching cues or switching shafts could have an effect on the amount of squirt there is.
Hey, I'm open minded enough that if I'm proven wrong I'll man up and kiss the appropriate amount of ass.
MULLY
Now, a Kamui may not go glossy as quick as a Moori, I couldn't say one way or the other on that one. But when you poke at a ball with your cue stick there is a split second where the tip is in contact with the cue ball. That contact time is not increased regardless of which tip you use. The tip doesn't have some special glue that grabs onto the ball.
Also, again, I don't know which tip this is, it wasn't stamped, it only said Kamui. You guys just tell me which one puts all this magical spin on it and I'll buy one and put it on my Jim White. I'll make sure to do a video test with the Moori then change to the Kamui and we can see what the results are. I'll make sure that I'm using the same cue/shaft in the testing because switching cues or switching shafts could have an effect on the amount of squirt there is.
Hey, I'm open minded enough that if I'm proven wrong I'll man up and kiss the appropriate amount of ass.
MULLY
Well, one thing I can say 100% for sure right now is that I won't put a soft tip on my cue. Soft tips feel like you're hitting mud balls.
MULLY
Let me add one more thing here, Kamui has replied in this thread and what that person had to say is this...
Nowhere in that post does it say that Kamui tips produce more spin. I'm sure if that was the claim to fame they would have said it. There is a very fine line in that post about soft vs hard, and I can agree with that to a point. And I'll give them kudos for consistency if they are in fact like that.
And again, I've had this tip on my 3C cue for the past few days and I have about 15 games under my belt with it. I'm totally satisfied with it. I will say that this is one of the rare times that I've been comfortable with the feeling of a brand new tip before it's been broken in. To that aspect of it I can't argue one bit. I'm still waiting to see about the mushrooming. I've heard on here that they don't. The jury is still out on that for me. Not that it would be a problem though.
MULLY
Nowhere in that post does it say that Kamui tips produce more spin. I'm sure if that was the claim to fame they would have said it. There is a very fine line in that post about soft vs hard, and I can agree with that to a point. And I'll give them kudos for consistency if they are in fact like that.
And again, I've had this tip on my 3C cue for the past few days and I have about 15 games under my belt with it. I'm totally satisfied with it. I will say that this is one of the rare times that I've been comfortable with the feeling of a brand new tip before it's been broken in. To that aspect of it I can't argue one bit. I'm still waiting to see about the mushrooming. I've heard on here that they don't. The jury is still out on that for me. Not that it would be a problem though.
MULLY
Ok forget the more spin quote for a min.
Maybe this is a better example:
I have always been told a beginner should start with a softer tip as its more forgiving etc. less miss cues etc. Now there must be a reason for this, not sure what you would call it but you did sort of agree with this earlier, yes?
I cannot play with a very soft tip as i find it dead like you said. But some of the characteristics of a soft tip are i like. ie. much less likely to miss cue.
So i would say the Kamui Black tip i now have on my cue plays more like a very soft tip but its as hard as my previous Moori II.
How does that sound, maybe the more spin thing is just because of my stroke not being perfect so i get better reaction with this tip!
Maybe this is a better example:
I have always been told a beginner should start with a softer tip as its more forgiving etc. less miss cues etc. Now there must be a reason for this, not sure what you would call it but you did sort of agree with this earlier, yes?
I cannot play with a very soft tip as i find it dead like you said. But some of the characteristics of a soft tip are i like. ie. much less likely to miss cue.
So i would say the Kamui Black tip i now have on my cue plays more like a very soft tip but its as hard as my previous Moori II.
How does that sound, maybe the more spin thing is just because of my stroke not being perfect so i get better reaction with this tip!