Karen Corr in the finals 14.1 American National Championships.

[JB Cases]

I live in a world where if I say the wrong thing it could cost my company millions not thousands ,, Yes JB we live in a world were biting your tough is considered as a strength not a weakness ,, we may not like it but that's what it is ,,

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When you have masters you have to obey them. I don't have any masters. That's why Mark Andrews, I can, stand here and speak my mind under my own name.

And again, do the math, millions of pool players, hundreds of cases. I can afford to not have to grovel for business.

Luckily for me I am in an industry where my views don't affect my sales. There is an upside to pool being off the grid. This very post will be seen by a whole dozen people and of those 9 won't care.

That's the real travesty....that I spent four minutes talking to you about something that doesn't matter.

 

[one stroke]

When you have masters you have to obey them. I don't have any masters. That's why Mark Andrews, I can, stand here and speak my mind under my own name.

And again, do the math, millions of pool players, hundreds of cases. I can afford to not have to grovel for business.

Luckily for me I am in an industry where my views don't affect my sales. There is an upside to pool being off the grid. This very post will be seen by a whole dozen people and of those 9 won't care.

That's the real travesty....that I spent four minutes talking to you about something that doesn't matter.

Yes JB we all know your business tactics there well documented that's why owning a Justice case is some what of badge of Honor and owning a JB case is ,,,well just owning a JB case

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[JB Cases]

Yes JB we all know your business tactics there well documented that's why owning a Justice case is some what of badge of Honor and owning a JB case is ,,,well just owning a JB case

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See Mark, personal slurs. I guess you wouldn't know because you don't own a JB Case and I certainly won't sell you one.

The very fact that you consider something you purchased as a badge of honor shows how flawed your values are. Badges of honor are earned and conferred not purchased. They are rewards for a job well done and exceptional service.

Buying a toy, be it an expensive leather case or a sports car isn't a badge of honor, it's a personal reward and luxury. If a person thinks that they are getting more prestige by owning certain brands then they have internal issues.

If anything the "badge of honor" goes to the maker in that he made something the customer is willing to buy. So every Justis case sold is a tribute to Jack's craftsmanship and style. And in that vein every JB case is the same for me DESPITE the fact that I am outspoken. It means that my AZB customers appreciate not only what our product is but also who I am as a person.

Those customers are infinitely more valuable to me as people than ones who would seek to bully me by threatening to withhold their dollars.

 

[JB Cases]

And please have enough respect to spell the man's name right.

It's Justis, not justice.

 

[lfigueroa]

Actually it didn't. But if you want to believe it did then that's fine. A good PR guy has to believe his own BS in order to be a good PR guy.

No, John, actually that is the worst sin someone in PR can commit.

I don't pretend to know anything about pool cue cases, so please don't insult my intelligence and professional experience by pretending to know anything about PR.

Lou Figueroa
enjoyed the
boiled wolf

 

[one stroke]

And please have enough respect to spell the man's name right.

It's Justis, not justice.

Spell check don't have my glasses on ,, I said somewhat ,, when you look at the Top pros who own one and couple that with the reputation of a American cue maker Icon and the cost to obtain one that represents achievement , it's a honor to own one ,,
It's not a slur just a fact
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[JB Cases]

No, John, actually that is the worst sin someone in PR can commit.

I don't pretend to know anything about pool cue cases, so please don't insult my intelligence and professional experience by pretending to know anything about PR.

Lou Figueroa
enjoyed the
boiled wolf

I take it back then. you're right I don't know anything about bs and you are the professional. I would even go so far as to say you are the best on this forum at creating bs.

 

[FranCrimi]

Looking at the big picture, Mike Zuglan had bigger worries than Earl's rude behavior and intentional sharking. The racking issues at the event were beyond belief, with many arguments and outright blow ups. You can tell who the rack mechanics are, their matches last two hours with all the shenanigans. It's gotten beyond old, it's gotten outright disgusting.

Still, I agree that a player of Karen's caliber should have every opportunity to get a fair match. Funny thing I heard was a guy playing Mike Dechaine questioning Mike when he changed shafts on his cue because he was having problems with his tip.

"Isn't that considered a forfeit when you unscrew your cue?"

MIke looked at him in disbelief, and then asked him, "Is that really the way you want to win?"

I'd love to ask Earl the same thing every time he sharks somebody with his ranting. Earl "The Pearl" Strickland, the greatest 9-baller that ever lived... is that really the way you want to win?

If Mike unscrewed his cue during his opponent's turn, I'd have a serious problem with it.

 

[JB Cases]

Spell check don't have my glasses on ,, I said somewhat ,, when you look at the Top pros who own one and couple that with the reputation of a American cue maker Icon and the cost to obtain one that represents achievement , it's a honor to own one ,,
It's not a slur just a fact
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you really don't know when to stop do you? it is a pool cue case not a Nobel prize. Pro players who own one didn't buy it with money, nor was it awarded, it was given as a sponsorship arrangement. The pro pays with his or her endorsement.

The ACA membership is a purchased one. Only cue makers have the honor of being judged and found worthy of being a voting member. All other memberships are simply supporting associate memberships that carry zero endorsement of quality.

any US based business can be an associate member of the ACA.

 

[JB Cases]

If Mike unscrewed his cue during his opponent's turn, I'd have a serious problem with it.

I think we have a spirit of the rules vs letter of the rules issue here.

if I am sitting down I should be able to adjust my equipment as I choose to as long as it isn't distracting.

 

[RiverCity]

I think we have a spirit of the rules vs letter of the rules issue here.

if I am sitting down I should be able to adjust my equipment as I choose to as long as it isn't distracting.

Bingo, theres a big difference in changing a shaft due to tip problems etc and making a production out of unscrewing like you might not get to shoot again, which is the shark for which the rule was written. Players who try to "use" rules like this are IMHO nits, and know they cant win without pulling a move.
Chuck

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

If Mike unscrewed his cue during his opponent's turn, I'd have a serious problem with it.

I never said it was his opponent's turn. I'm pretty sure it was just before Mike was set to break. It was a legitimate equipment change. One thing for sure, there was no concern about whether or not he was conceding. Mike was drilling the guy pretty good at the time.

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

Bingo, theres a big difference in changing a shaft due to tip problems etc and making a production out of unscrewing like you might not get to shoot again, which is the shark for which the rule was written. Players who try to "use" rules like this are IMHO nits, and know they cant win without pulling a move.
Chuck

Yeah, that's exactly the case. Mike had popped his tip off earlier showing off with some stroke shots and had just had a guy at the event put a new Kamui medium on. It was defective and hard as a rock. Mike miscued three times before he decided to switch shafts.

So, even if he had changed shafts while the guy was shooting I would not consider it to be a concession, no matter how the rules were written, and as you say, only a nit would take a win that way. It was the other guy who was sitting in his chair... as he did for most of the quick match.

 

[voiceofreason]

Wow. All I did was go to sleep, when I woke up all hell has broken loose..

It seems the "community" to which you refer to Mr Caseman, has well and truly spoken..

Anyway, where were we again?

Congratulations Karen! xxx

 

[JB Cases]

Wow. All I did was go to sleep, when I woke up all hell has broken loose..

It seems the "community" to which you refer to Mr Caseman, has well and truly spoken..

Anyway, where were we again?

Congratulations Karen! xxx

Nope just the same gaggle of ducklings who follow me around. Wherever I post they always look for any utterance that they feel empowered to attack me on.

These are not representatives of the community either.

Many of them are in fact part of the reason, along with you, of this community's decline.

And nice of you to throw in the personal slur, debate the content eh? Just as I said, trolls resort to personal insults. Nice to have that shield of anonymity from which to shite from isn't it?

 

[JB Cases]

I'll assume that some of that is true however it's been proven by top marketers that if people associate negativity to a product they don't purchase it ,, product disconnect ,,


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You have a source?

I happen to have one example in the other direction. The Iphone4. There were reports that the signal got weak when the phone was held a certain way, reporters panned it - tons of negativity.

Apple responded by saying "phones aren't perfect", anyone who wants a refund can have one, not only did extremely few people ask for a refund the phone went on to outsell every other phone and device EVER in a shorter time.

And as we all know Apple was led by one of the biggest assholes on the planet who never shied away from telling it as he saw it.

All the "top marketers" said he would fail with every device and every idea. But instead he succeeded well beyond what anyone else ever did in the same space.

Pays to do your homework Mark.

 

[voiceofreason]

Nope just the same gaggle of ducklings who follow me around. Wherever I post they always look for any utterance that they feel empowered to attack me on.

These are not representatives of the community either.

Many of them are in fact part of the reason, along with you, of this community's decline.

And nice of you to throw in the personal slur, debate the content eh? Just as I said, trolls resort to personal insults. Nice to have that shield of anonymity from which to shite from isn't it?

All I can say is.. wow.

Truly, if you believe what you type then you are completely bonkers and not just the little bit of a fruitcake I thought you were.

A quick survey would reveal who on this thread is trolling and being nasty.

Print the thread off and cover over the bit to the side where the usernames are and ask a friend to mark all the posts out of ten for trollness and nastiness.

I bet you come out worst out of every single poster on this thread.

 

[JB Cases]

All I can say is.. wow.

Truly, if you believe what you type then you are completely bonkers and not just the little bit of a fruitcake I thought you were.

A quick survey would reveal who on this thread is trolling and being nasty.

Print the thread off and cover over the bit to the side where the usernames are and ask a friend to mark all the posts out of ten for trollness and nastiness.

I bet you come out worst out of every single poster on this thread.

Really? Other than pointing out your trolling what then?

I started this thread to congratulate Karen Corr and your first post in it was to denigrate her and all top women players.

A completely unnecessary comment. I could have let it slide and chose not to. Now you have some of the gaggle here quacking right along with you.

Your comment was, in my opinion, intended to instigate an argument. Which is the definition of trolling.

 

[JB Cases]

I am signing off on this thread. It's taken too many twisty turns which is what happens when a gaggle of gossipy geese comes around.

Again, congratulations Karen. It is a pleasure to know you and a pleasure to see you stepping up and taking it to the guys. Even if some of them are still chauvinistic assholes you still have the bravery to face silly criticism and play anyway.

 

[voiceofreason]

You truly are a top class dick - but at least you can admit it.

Fair play to you sir!

(but you do argue like a small child)