Kevin Trudeau Quote

[macguy]

At this point the very small subculture of the pool world is all that I think he expects to reach. If it happens to be any more at this point cool, but I do think he knows where he is at and is happy with whom he is reaching right now. I think he realizes this is not going to happen over night. If he has a good product and I think pool can be (hell poker, and bowling are), I do not believe his name will be any type of liability. All it takes is a good product. As fare as credibility goes, he put $225,000 up already; that’s credibility to me.

So far you only know what you have been spoon fed by him if that whole thing was even for real. And one quick look at his web site and you can see he plays loose with he truth he has made a career of it. We willl just have to wait and see and hope the checks clear in the future. I can't believe you don't think his name is a liability. Don't look for this guy to ever be booked on Letterman or Leno. He was supposed to be on O'Reilly the other night and was a no show. There was a perfect chance to tout his new pool venture to like 30 million people but he couldn't show up because he has to defend himself from all his other shady dealings and this will be the case every time. Here is a leader who can't even do an interview and has to hide from cameras. Yea, he's not a liability, right.
If he is really sincere about this thing then he should put the money in an esquire account, hire professionals who know what they are doing and have the right contacts to run the venture and stay as far out of the picture as he can, that may actually give it a chance.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Just think," Trudeau said after the match. "Mike Sigel just earned the biggest single payday in the history of the sport, and it will be the smallest first prize in IPT events!"
...

By modern standards, $150,000 is indeed a nice payout, but a small nit, since Mr. Trudeau seems to be unaware of some of the history of the sport. If he means eight ball, then he might be right. If he means cue sports, then he's wrong. Recently a snooker player got about $250,000 for a single (perfect) frame of snooker, and it wasn't the first time.

In 1906, Hoppe beat Vignaux for the world championship and got over $50,000. That was in 1906 dollars. The inflation since then has been a factor of 20. You do the math.

 

[SlimShafty]

So far you only know what you have been spoon fed by him if that whole thing was even for real. And one quick look at his web site and you can see he plays loose with he truth he has made a career of it. We willl just have to wait and see and hope the checks clear in the future. I can't believe you don't think his name is a liability. Don't look for this guy to ever be booked on Letterman or Leno. He was supposed to be on O'Reilly the other night and was a no show. There was a perfect chance to tout his new pool venture to like 30 million people but he couldn't show up because he has to defend himself from all his other shady dealings and this will be the case every time. Here is a leader who can't even do an interview and has to hide from cameras. Yea, he's not a liability, right.
If he is really sincere about this thing then he should put the money in an esquire account, hire professionals who know what they are doing and have the right contacts to run the venture and stay as far out of the picture as he can, that may actually give it a chance.

Do you know who he has hired? I don't know them all, but I can tell you this guy has hired the best support staff any Pool venture out there.

He has an incredible PR firm BNCPR (look them up on google) The company deals with corporations like GM, and has worked on the X-Games, Fear Factor, etc...He also has one of the top producers in TV Arthur Smith former head of FOX Sports, and a world class Camera and video production unit. The quality of production and events is going to be in class never seen in pool, and instructional videos will take a huge step forward and be offered in location never before offered.

So to say he should hire professionals, is way off....He has, and I might say some of the best.

Do research before you knock the guy please, he is trying more than anyone else has ever tried.

 

[Pelican]

Pessimists

Slim, you gots to realize that some folks are gonna knock something no matter what. If somebody went around passing out fifty dollar bills they would complain that they should have been hundreds. They just always be lookin' for the negative.

Pel

 

[macguy]

Do you know who he has hired? I don't know them all, but I can tell you this guy has hired the best support staff any Pool venture out there.

He has an incredible PR firm BNCPR (look them up on google) The company deals with corporations like GM, and has worked on the X-Games, Fear Factor, etc...He also has one of the top producers in TV Arthur Smith former head of FOX Sports, and a world class Camera and video production unit. The quality of production and events is going to be in class never seen in pool, and instructional videos will take a huge step forward and be offered in location never before offered.

So to say he should hire professionals, is way off....He has, and I might say some of the best.

Do research before you knock the guy please, he is trying more than anyone else has ever tried.

My point was, get him the hell out of the picture so everything doesn't get tainted and has a fighting chance.

 

[JLW]

I still can't understand why they picked Mike Sigel and Lori Jon Jones. Neither has that much to do with the modern pool tournament scene anymore. This was definitely a way to get attention for the new tour by getting two charasmatic people to duke out a battle of the sexes, but it doesnt do much for pro competition. The real test of the tour's success will be if and when all the top pros take part.

Kevin Trudeau took pool lessons from Mike Sigel, and they're friends. So he was an obvious choice to have play in the tournament. Plus, Mike Sigel has been an outspoken critic of the small payouts in organized pool for years. In fact, that played a large factor in his deciding to retire. He didn't think the prize money was worth all the effort he had to put into competing. Allison Fisher was asked to compete, but she declined because she didn't like the playing conditions.

 

[wahcheck]

Alison Fisher?

Kevin Trudeau took pool lessons from Mike Sigel, and they're friends. So he was an obvious choice to have play in the tournament. Plus, Mike Sigel has been an outspoken critic of the small payouts in organized pool for years. In fact, that played a large factor in his deciding to retire. He didn't think the prize money was worth all the effort he had to put into competing. Allison Fisher was asked to compete, but she declined because she didn't like the playing conditions.

So Alison Fisher turned down a guaranteed $75,000 payday? Wow, money doesn't mean much to her, I guess.....

 

[jjinfla]

I suspect there is more to why Allison turned it down than just slow cloth. She most likely is locked into too many contracts that just wouldn't allow her to be there.

I also would suggest that if your car, house and credit cards are not all paid off then you really have no room to tell KT how to run his business.

Why did he pick Mike? Because he likes Mike.

Orlando will be a 5 day event with a million dollars guaranteed.

Okay, now you guys can go around in circles trying to explain guaranteed.

The really big question is which top male pro is not going to put in an application?

Jake

 

[macguy]

I suspect there is more to why Allison turned it down than just slow cloth. She most likely is locked into too many contracts that just wouldn't allow her to be there.

I also would suggest that if your car, house and credit cards are not all paid off then you really have no room to tell KT how to run his business.

Why did he pick Mike? Because he likes Mike.

Orlando will be a 5 day event with a million dollars guaranteed.

Okay, now you guys can go around in circles trying to explain guaranteed.

The really big question is which top male pro is not going to put in an application?

Jake

I don't think a pro in their right mind would not sign up. Didn't they just change the $899. lifetime fee to $1.00?

 

[Nostroke]

I don't think a pro in their right mind would not sign up. Didn't they just change the $899. lifetime fee to $1.00?

I didnt think that $899 would fly. This gives this thing a much better shot but I still wouldnt bet the farm it will last more than a few tournaments.

Let's see if Mr Trudeau can do what no one else could. I hope he can.

He'll have to do a lot to get me interested in 8-ball especially with those rules.-slow nap, no shot clock etc

 

[wahcheck]

what happened?

I don't think a pro in their right mind would not sign up. Didn't they just change the $899. lifetime fee to $1.00?

Wow! What happened to bring the fee from $899 to $1?
What are all the naysayers who warned about the $899 fee saying now?

 

[macguy]

I didnt think that $899 would fly. This gives this thing a much better shot but I still wouldnt bet the farm it will last more than a few tournaments.

Let's see if Mr Trudeau can do what no one else could. I hope he can.

He'll have to do a lot to get me interested in 8-ball especially with those rules.-slow nap, no shot clock etc

You know something funny, I would not be surprised the changing of the fee was not in some way due to the public feed back on forums like this as well as directly from the players. People don't just have to drink the coolaid they should express opinions and not just be mindless cheerleaders. I am sure they are watching what the public is saying positive as well as negitive.

 

[JLW]

I suspect there is more to why Allison turned it down than just slow cloth. She most likely is locked into too many contracts that just wouldn't allow her to be there.
Jake

That's probably true, and I'm not sure exactly why Allison turned it down. All I know is that Mike Sigel said (on his online chat prior to the match) that she wouldn't play because she didn't like the playing conditions. Who knows what legalities and behind the scenes politics might have gone into her decision.

 

[SlimShafty]

Changing the membership to 1.00 has little to do with this forum or the naysayers and everything do with the whole lifetime membership idea which was not the best idea, 899 was nothing and he would have easily got that from 150 pro players. Remember now it says $1 for the first year not lifetime which did not fit the whole scheme of things, if the bottom 50 lose the tour card, then you can't say it's a lifetime membership.

So most likely there will be a yearly membership never a lifetime membership like first thought up which did not fit the idea of re qualifying the bottom 50 players. Now after the pros make money in the first year they will have no problem paying $800 or 1000 a year for a tour card, and those bottom 50 that lose the card will need to pay for q-school to re qualify which will have a fee not unlike the PGA's $4,500 but of course be less. The PGA doesn't have lifetime membership so this new idea fits better.

Remember this tour will have many tweaks to get the best results, I wonder how many people will fork over $35 to watch the event in Orlando, or pay $70 for the tournament and the finals, who knows, we will see.

 

[macguy]

Changing the membership to 1.00 has little to do with this forum or the naysayers and everything do with the whole lifetime membership idea which was not the best idea, 899 was nothing and he would have easily got that from 150 pro players. Remember now it says $1 for the first year not lifetime which did not fit the whole scheme of things, if the bottom 50 lose the tour card, then you can't say it's a lifetime membership.

So most likely there will be a yearly membership never a lifetime membership like first thought up which did not fit the idea of re qualifying the bottom 50 players. Now after the pros make money in the first year they will have no problem paying $800 or 1000 a year for a tour card, and those bottom 50 that lose the card will need to pay for q-school to re qualify which will have a fee not unlike the PGA's $4,500 but of course be less. The PGA doesn't have lifetime membership so this new idea fits better.

Remember this tour will have many tweaks to get the best results, I wonder how many people will fork over $35 to watch the event in Orlando, or pay $70 for the tournament and the finals, who knows, we will see.

The life time membership was a bad idea. They do have some tournaments with $1000. buy in's for non members. I like that, I would pay a $1000. to play if the tournament was close and I had no really other expenses. Any tournament I have ever traveled to cost me every bit of that so a $1000. is no big deal. I really hope they get something like a satellite tournament type thing going. It pumps money into the tournament as well as give some players a chance to play who other wise would not have. If this thing goes there is a lot of peripheral stuff that can be good. Every tournament can be a real happening event.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

If he meant 8-ball then he's right I guess.

btw: I sat with Mike Sigel on the way to the airport after that IBC Tokyo 9-Ball event. He played but didn't get far.

KT did say "in the history of the sport", which means all games, including nine-ball.

 

[Hal]

The life time membership was a bad idea. They do have some tournaments with $1000. buy in's for non members. I like that, I would pay a $1000. to play if the tournament was close and I had no really other expenses. Any tournament I have ever traveled to cost me every bit of that so a $1000. is no big deal. I really hope they get something like a satellite tournament type thing going. It pumps money into the tournament as well as give some players a chance to play who other wise would not have. If this thing goes there is a lot of peripheral stuff that can be good. Every tournament can be a real happening event.

Just think about Poker. Some of their buyins are 20K to 40K.