Kiss shots or carom shots explaind at billiebilliards.com?

[olyella1ball]

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I stop in on www.BillieBilliards.com once in a while. This month on the Pointers page there’s an article with Tricia McGann and Mike Sigel shootn combos. Billie says ball first caroms are kiss shots when there is a space between the two OBs. She also says that if you shoot one OB offn the other when there’s a space between them that’s also a kiss shot. Carom shots are explained as havin no space between them, like two OBs frozen to one another. a player shoots the cue ball into the closer OB and it ricochets off the other to the pocket. it does seem to me that there should be a ‘word’ for calling shots with a space and one for no space.

What do you think? What’s the difference between a carom shot and a kiss shot?

Olyella1ball

 

[kaznj]

Interesting video. That was Bill O'reilly from fox news. The O'reilly factor. Old video.

 

[kaznj]

I looked at the page again. Mike was using the piece of chalk to see the angle of deflection off the first object ball. That is interesting. He wasn't using the chalk to aim, so I guess it is legal.

 

[8JIM9]

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I stop in on www.BillieBilliards.com once in a while. This month on the Pointers page there’s an article with Tricia McGann and Mike Sigel shootn combos. Billie says ball first caroms are kiss shots when there is a space between the two OBs. She also says that if you shoot one OB offn the other when there’s a space between them that’s also a kiss shot. Carom shots are explained as havin no space between them, like two OBs frozen to one another. a player shoots the cue ball into the closer OB and it ricochets off the other to the pocket. it does seem to me that there should be a ‘word’ for calling shots with a space and one for no space.

What do you think? What’s the difference between a carom shot and a kiss shot?

Olyella1ball

I would say a carom is when the cue ball glances off one ball into another; a kiss shot is when an object ball glances off another ball and goes to a pocket or another ball. In other words, a carom shot deals with the cue balls path and a kiss shot deals with an object balls path.
8JIM9

 

[8JIM9]

I was taught; a carom is when the cue ball glances off one object ball, into another. A kiss shot is when an object ball glances off an object ball into another object ball or pocket.
8JIM9

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I think the terms should have the most generic definitions. Another way to say this is to say the terms describe what balls do, not what kinds of shots are taken.

A carom is whenever any ball, CB or OB, moves along its tangent line with another ball as a result of contact with the other ball (including balls that were frozen together).

A kiss is whenever any ball moves into contact with another ball (including kisses that result in caroms).

For example, "The 1 ball kissed the 2 ball and caromed into the 9 ball." Or, "The CB kissed the first ball in the frozen combo, which caromed off the second ball into the pocket."

pj
chgo

 

[Siz]

What's a billiard?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

What's a billiard?

I believe it's a successful shot at any of the various carom games (non-pocket billiards).

pj
chgo

 

[Jal]

I was taught; a carom is when the cue ball glances off one object ball, into another. A kiss shot is when an object ball glances off an object ball into another object ball or pocket.
8JIM9

These are the right definitions as far as I am aware. I looked them up in Dr. Dave's glossary just to be sure:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/glossary.pdf

Jim

 

[dr_dave]

These are the right definitions as far as I am aware. I looked them up in Dr. Dave's glossary just to be sure:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/glossary.pdf

Jim

For convenience, here are pertinent definitions from my online glossary:

billiard shot: a shot where the cue ball is kissed or caromed off an object ball (e.g., to pocket another object ball).
carom: cue ball deflection off one object ball into another.
carom shot: a shot where the cue ball is deflected off one object ball and into another to pocket the second ball.
combination shot: a shot where the cue ball hits an object ball into another to pocket the second ball.
kiss(AKA carom): contact between balls.
kiss shot: a shot where an object ball is deflected off another and then into a pocket.​

As PJ has pointed out, some of these terms are sometimes used interchangeably.

Regards,
Dave

 

[olyella1ball]

definition of 'kiss' vs 'carom' shots at billiebilliards.com

Thanks for all the great info, fellas. And a clever way to gauge kisses and caroms was explained in the pics. easy to see a great player like Mike Sigel figure things out but amazing to see a woman back in the 80s playg smart.