Last Night's League Experience

Celophanewrap

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Generally I don't think of pool as having a "Home Field" advantage. Maybe you go to someone else's house and you play, but it's their table and you would be rude if beat up on your host or hostess to badly. Or maybe you usually play at one room in your town and you go to another room or city / state to play a tournament or an event so you might be a little uncomfortable out side of your familiar surroundings. But the table is what it is and I feel that once you get down and hit your first few balls the familiarity comes back and you're back at the table where you're at home anyways.
Now, being a league player I've played on enough bar tables to recognize that each one has it's own personality and both teams and players have to deal with it, so it's been my experience that it has reasonably the same effect on both players and eventually, given a significant race the better player will rise up and preform well.
Last night we played on one of the oddest beasts that I had ever encountered. This table had cloth that played like deep pile shag carpet from the mid 70's. The table had some "interesting" spots. Where you might expect a ball to lose momentum and gradually roll to a stop, this table had spots where the ball would roll up to and just stop, like some mystical force wouldn't let the balls roll away from that area, there were other spots where the ball actually seemed to pick up speed. The table was tucked back in a room that could barely hold it, there was just enough room - unless you had your cue ball against the rail, and to make matters worse there was a shelf that ran all the way around the room right about at stick level. So anytime you drew your stick back you had to find the shelf and adjust the level of your draw so you had even less control off the rail.
Did I mention that this table was an 8 ft bar Valley? The opposing team was a nice group, but were all bangers that didn't seem to actually be trying to pocket any balls with a clean shot, but it was more like they tried to beat the balls into the pockets with their cues, sort of like a strange game of Wack-A-Mole.
Needless to say, we were soundly defeated but it was a learning experience for us all. Playing on an 8 foot Valley was weird enough, but I soon got the feeling that these guys on the other team knew exactly what they were doing and this time there really was a "Home Table" advantage, not that they were skillful, but they knew the slow spots, they knew which pocket had a severe lip so if you tried to slow roll a ball into that pocket it would stop right at the edge and they knew that if they hit the ball really hard in the general direction of a pocket it had a chance to go somewhere because the rails were really good. It's not in my nature to try and crush every shot and hit the ball with max speed and power, but the next time, if I can get a few cocktails into me before we play I might be inclined to use just my break cue. At least the bartender was a hottie.
Any of you guys ever have stuff like that happen?
 
There is a similar table in the basement of one of the bars in our league. In fact I started wondering if you played us until you mentioned it was an 8 footer.

It is the slowest table in town, with a foot rail that only has half the bounce of the others. There is a large wrinkle in the cloth sticking out from the point of a corner pocket, and someone must have put the wrong rail rubber on one side, because the pocket cut of that corner pocket, and it's adjoining side pocket are not symmetrical. The left side cut is parallel to the right side cut. I might post a picture of this next time I'm there...

The shelf is also at stick level, but only on one side of the table, And every chair in the room is close enough that you might have to move to let someone shoot. And it seems almost impossible to make a ball on the break there.

Nickname: The Dungeon

Unfortunately this is the bar that my team drew for our home bar, so home table advantage goes to us. :thumbup:


Carl
 
I played in league last night where two tables were newly recovered by the owner of the bar. He went to Joanne Fabrics and bought Ravens Purple cloth.

Funniest thing you've ever seen. This material was not made for pool tables. If you hit easy, the balls wobbled when rolling.
 
my home table has one pocket with a very long shelf, and balls will fall away from the two other corner pockets if you dont hit it hard at them, DEFINATELY A HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE
 
I played in league last night where two tables were newly recovered by the owner of the bar. He went to Joanne Fabrics and bought Ravens Purple cloth.

Funniest thing you've ever seen. This material was not made for pool tables. If you hit easy, the balls wobbled when rolling.

I would love to see pictures of this....LOL!!!

I play some of my best pool on 8 foot Valley tables. I usually play on Diamonds and the pockets on those Valley's are like 5 gallon buckets.
 
i played in a bar where i slow rolled a ball to a corner pocket and the ball stopped and rolled back to the center of the table .i went around to the pocket and felt the edge and there was a lip about 1/4 inch high. the table also had some low spots in the slate causing slow rolls to wobble.

i started slamming balls in after that and won the tournament lol.i play in a travel league and thankfully we don't visit that bar. my other 2 leagues play at high pockets all the time , '' best pool hall in memphis''.

i used to play in a travel money league here and we hit quite a few dive bars and just about every table played like shit. one bar had 4 tables and none of them had the lights at the same hight. 1 table had the light so low i hit my head when i racked ....1st time in my life i ever hit my head on a light because i am only 5' 5'' so you know that table had a real low hanging light lol.
 
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I played in league last night where two tables were newly recovered by the owner of the bar. He went to Joanne Fabrics and bought Ravens Purple cloth.

Funniest thing you've ever seen. This material was not made for pool tables. If you hit easy, the balls wobbled when rolling.

This is inventive. I'd love photos of this. It would of been great he did it in a holiday or plaid flannel
 
this is inventive. I'd love photos of this. It would of been great he did it in a holiday or plaid flannel
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You asked for it. The tables are worse than what they look it the photos.:grin:
 

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Any of you guys ever have stuff like that happen?

Many of us old-time traveling league players have every story of every kind of table, home field advantage, etc.

Here's a list:

  • In a strip joint
  • In one of the busiest college bars in the town (Mike's West View - UMAss Amherst) where, yes… absolutely zero room and people sitting on the tables, and putting their drinks on the table
  • 6' table pushed against a wall
  • 8' bar table that was standing on its end just prior to us playing (the dance floor needs to be opened up every weekend)
  • 7' bar table with the levelers completely removed
  • 9' furniture style table with HUUUUUUUGE bar table ball (this was a furniture style bar table)
  • 9' Valley bar box
  • Zebra (or was it leopard?) cloth
  • Black cloth
  • Purple cloth
  • Glow in the dark table (we didn't play in the dark, though)
  • Open the door to take certain shots
  • Have to stand on the lower level on one side of the table
  • Outside (I never shot on it, but when I was there, they told me they tried league on one of the outdoor tables)
  • An American snooker table
  • At one of those sports bar with speakers so loud that the balls moved every time the basketball hit the court on the TV
  • At a Boston Billiard Club (very distracting)
  • In a family restaurant - like Chuck E Cheese on steroids

I'm sure there's more that I just can't remember.

Freddie <~~~ just like it was two decades ago
 
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Many of us old-time traveling league players have every story of every kind of table, home field advantage, etc.

Here's a list:

  • In a strip joint
  • In one of the busiest college bars in the town (Mike's West View - UMAss Amherst) where, yes… absolutely zero room and people sitting on the tables, and putting their drinks on the table
  • 6' table pushed against a wall
  • 8' bar table that was standing on its end just prior to us playing (the dance for needs to be opened up every weekend)
  • 7' bar table with the levelers completely removed
  • 9' furniture style table with HUUUUUUUGE bar table ball (this was a furniture style bar table)
  • 9' Valley bar box
  • Zebra (or was it leopard?) cloth
  • Black cloth
  • Purple cloth
  • Glow in the dark table (we didn't play in the dark, though)
  • Open the door to take certain shots
  • Have to stand on the lower level on one side of the table
  • Outside (I never shot on it, but when they told me they tried league on one the outdoor table)
  • An American snooker table
  • At one of those sports bar where the balls moved every time the basketball hit the court on the TV
  • At a Boston Billiard (very distracting)
  • In a family restaurant

I'm sure there's more that I just can't remember.

Freddie <~~~ just like it was two decades ago

there are some bars in memphis like you describe. one place had out door tables and put up plastic in the winter with a wood burning stove....still colder than a well diggers ass though.
 
there are some bars in memphis like you describe. one place had out door tables and put up plastic in the winter with a wood burning stove....still colder than a well diggers ass though.

And that reminds me of another place. It was a sportsmen's club deep in the Massachusetts sticks (Shutesbury, MA). Very cold in the dead of winter. One end of the table was right next to the roasting wood burning stove. Youch!
 
And to the OP, in Central Mass, 8' Valley bar tables are the norm. I don't know how that ever happened.

In the Western Mass area that I grew up, 7' Valleys and Dynamos were what the local amusement guys were putting in the bars.

I played in a bar in NYC that had to be smaller than a 6' table.

And I've played in Erving, MA on the aforementioned 9' Valley bar box.
 
Generally I don't think of pool as having a "Home Field" advantage. Maybe you go to someone else's house and you play, but it's their table and you would be rude if beat up on your host or hostess to badly. Or maybe you usually play at one room in your town and you go to another room or city / state to play a tournament or an event so you might be a little uncomfortable out side of your familiar surroundings. But the table is what it is and I feel that once you get down and hit your first few balls the familiarity comes back and you're back at the table where you're at home anyways.
Now, being a league player I've played on enough bar tables to recognize that each one has it's own personality and both teams and players have to deal with it, so it's been my experience that it has reasonably the same effect on both players and eventually, given a significant race the better player will rise up and preform well.
Last night we played on one of the oddest beasts that I had ever encountered. This table had cloth that played like deep pile shag carpet from the mid 70's. The table had some "interesting" spots. Where you might expect a ball to lose momentum and gradually roll to a stop, this table had spots where the ball would roll up to and just stop, like some mystical force wouldn't let the balls roll away from that area, there were other spots where the ball actually seemed to pick up speed. The table was tucked back in a room that could barely hold it, there was just enough room - unless you had your cue ball against the rail, and to make matters worse there was a shelf that ran all the way around the room right about at stick level. So anytime you drew your stick back you had to find the shelf and adjust the level of your draw so you had even less control off the rail.
Did I mention that this table was an 8 ft bar Valley? The opposing team was a nice group, but were all bangers that didn't seem to actually be trying to pocket any balls with a clean shot, but it was more like they tried to beat the balls into the pockets with their cues, sort of like a strange game of Wack-A-Mole.

Needless to say, we were soundly defeated but it was a learning experience for us all. Playing on an 8 foot Valley was weird enough, but I soon got the feeling that these guys on the other team knew exactly what they were doing and this time there really was a "Home Table" advantage, not that they were skillful, but they knew the slow spots, they knew which pocket had a severe lip so if you tried to slow roll a ball into that pocket it would stop right at the edge and they knew that if they hit the ball really hard in the general direction of a pocket it had a chance to go somewhere because the rails were really good. It's not in my nature to try and crush every shot and hit the ball with max speed and power, but the next time, if I can get a few cocktails into me before we play I might be inclined to use just my break cue. At least the bartender was a hottie.
Any of you guys ever have stuff like that happen?

+1 to you !

You ever so eloquently described every 7 ft Valley table in the bar league I play. :D
Thing is : I get pissed when I lose on these tables !!! :angry:
 
I played in league last night where two tables were newly recovered by the owner of the bar. He went to Joanne Fabrics and bought Ravens Purple cloth.

Funniest thing you've ever seen. This material was not made for pool tables. If you hit easy, the balls wobbled when rolling.

If the guy really did it himself with non-pool table felt he obviously took a long fall out of the stupid tree....................and hit every branch on the way down:rotflmao1:
 
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