last pocket 8ball sucks

Oh my god that game was brutal...(I'm the guy who was there with Eric)

The rules and the Equipment just beat us big time...some of the rules that weren't mentioned are: no ball in hand at all, no need to hit rail after contact, if you hooked there is no foul so you are able to play anywhere you want an move balls...

That was whats the ****ing Game is all about...moving the Balls the right way...its like playing Chess...a little bit like One Pocket...and its pretty Hard to do with the Super tough equipment...One time I Said to Eric man I'm playing on that table with that huge ****ing Bowling Ball Cueball for 4 hours now and I just couldn't figure out how it Works Even though I am pretty Good in Adapting on Equipment...

The guy was playing that Game on that Equipment like for ever and if I wouldn't have done some Super Crazy Shots and runouts he would have just robbed us...I could barely win one of the tactical Games...worst Thing is that if solid and stripe goes on break you lose the Inning otherwise I would have just broke and runout every Game...but no Chance doing that...anyway I had to give him 5 in Race to 10 which was probably too much...

Don't Play another man's game...I'll remember that for sure...cost us a bunch of Money...(Sorry again for losing your Cash too Eric)

we both lost and learned, i been in spots EXACTLY like that, i liked the atsmoshpe that was fun, I might have won 3-4 games in a race to 10 in there with those rules., the spot you gave him you had to win 10-4 thats what 2.5 to 1 in games? i never seen rules that complex except bonus ball(just kidding). Seriously It shows that no matter how your good at pool, you cant win carnival games. I thought your fire power mite be enough, after playing that game in my head over and over last nite, i realized fire power dont matter. Its the rules, and shows that equipment can be a secondary thing in action.


you play VERY strong A+ speed and then some, probably like Chris Bartrum and you didnt get weak for the $$, neither did I,

what we did was the switch player move on them(that was the smart move on our part), i could tell i couldnt win, after losing 3 of 4 games i normally would have won easily on regular equipment(we had to stop or put you in), i think i can rob that guy easy playing regular 8 ball on a 9' table. I'm a better pool player than he is(he might lose 25-0 playing you), i also knew fire power can overcome rules, seen guys with monster fire power win one pocket just by fire power alone no moves. That was our only shot, if we didnt meet up i was gone after i lost 4 in a row-evnt tho 2 were roll off scratches and missed one 8 ball. I could tell i couldnt win. i didnt think those rules would slow down someone your speed enough, you got us 9-9 goingto 10, re re-raced & jacked it up, raised the bet and came out strong 2nd set. then he made that 8 ball bank and it was all over from there.

we shuould have played he hill/hill game, that was our mistake, it was your break, re racing was what lost it, look at how the scoring went, we were the favorite hill/hill, the rerace we were the dog cause he played a little better and to get to 9-9 you made some trick shots. 3-10/4-10 is the right 50/50 odds for that game.

We made a decision, your young, you'll remember this for a long time as will I, having said that, when i can get us to a room with regular equipment, they HAVE to play us(keep that low), so that will come around here soon. we might get even. I dont think the guy beats me on the box we played on tonight, and you play MUCH better than me, so we switch players if we have to-again, they have no choice, they will come around Bella is the spot, they have their noses open, i can bring a flash wad when my friend gets back, so they will bet high, if i dont get there playing i'd b very suprised.-i'd be surprised, they have to play you and you win 100%. they must play our game.

based on what we know(what you heard-dont say what it was) about that crew we might play at Bella or a similar spot with lost of people everywhere., no way out in a spot like played at tonight, thats dangerous, trust me from experience on that one. last night if we win we were probably ok, now with our friends out of town and going in there a lone, could end up bad, when our friends get back they know they have a problem, but who needs that drama? their respect/fear of our friends mite keep them inline, but that could snap if we beat them. Any table that's normal with matching balls we rob them playing 8 ball, or last pocket with out the goofy rules, its stealing.

was fun tonight, last night too, one more chapter in my "pool playing days book" i'm going to write in 20 years. the ony thing i really learned is those gaff rules, and it validated another saying: them more rules, the lesser the player. I played a friend from NYC he was a C-- player at best, thought he played like you. I played him, every rack there was a new rule, i just let him make up rules as we went on, i out ran it easy.


What i learned last night there are rules that are so strong it takes the pool out of pool. i never seen rules that way, in Mexico i seen that game i told you about where they put 15 balls on the spots frozen to the rail, i couldnt figure it all out but still managed to win. those rules were the strongest rules i ever saw last night, i mite actually use them someday-so perhaps i will play last pocket 8B again LOL. So i'm going to remember them, what the real favorable ones are and go use them on someone else, believe e i got something for my $$. For you cause your young it was good experience, your very experienced anyways, but probably not in spots like that as much as me.


please dont mention names, of anyone my friends, the room, the guys we played or what we know now about the past. we'll save that for the book in 20 years.


was good fun tonight, now i hurt all over from that thing i told u about:angry:

talk tomaro

best

Fatboy:)
 
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Oh my god that game was brutal...(I'm the guy who was there with Eric)

The rules and the Equipment just beat us big time...uh, sure, OK


...anyway I had to give him 5 in Race to 10 which was probably too much...I know this didn't have anything to do with it


Don't Play another man's game...I'll remember that for sure...cost us a bunch of Money...(Sorry again for losing your Cash too Eric) well sure you're sorry, you didn't match up too good my man and my brother went off...you stinkin dog you

First lesson: You give up the nuts when you can win WAY more than you'll lose.



WTF Eric, all it was, was stupid ass "bar rules" with a big ball...time to let this game go...UNLESS...you can make a big score and have the right guy playing

Damn Bro, again, WTF!
 
Guess I got to give you a little slack. Your partners just a young rookie so you might have to look at it again.

Them young racehorses are something to watch sometimes.
 
First lesson: You give up the nuts when you can win WAY more than you'll lose.



WTF Eric, all it was, was stupid ass "bar rules" with a big ball...time to let this game go...UNLESS...you can make a big score and have the right guy playing

Damn Bro, again, WTF!


these rules give stupid ass bar rules the wild 5 out & the break, 4 on the wire going to 9. thats how strong the rules were. i never seen rules i couldnt out run like this ever. I'm not sure on a proper box i could out run them right now, they created a completely new moving game. i could rob the guy playing 8ball on a regular table. it wasnt pool, it was their game, i went against my better judgment, but i was board for action too. so i took a shot.


yes there was $$$ there to be won, these guys have $$,

i'm off to bed i slept to late today, and sun is oming up bed time

i will call you and tell you about it. it was something alright, Corey Dueal would have a good chance too cause he is creative.


I'll call you and tell ya the WTF, its interesting. we need to talk been to long


best
and good lookin' out,

Eric:)
 
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Guess I got to give you a little slack. Your partners just a young rookie so you might have to look at it again.

Them young racehorses are something to watch sometimes.


i pulled up when i was down 4 games, i knew i had no chance, he did, so we bet together, i didnt stake him. no business. the rules man the rules.

andd shit yeah he can play, he got out yesterday a couple games that were impossible. we got lucky to be on the hill, and with the break that was a huge advantage, when we didnt break we lost 50% of the time and won 75% on our break, i'm sleepy math might be off. i made the bad move. simple as that. playing the game was a shot, and fun.


I was playing in Ameterdam q wek ago with the house pro, his picture on the wall nice guy, we played 1P, he said "I know the rules" now that was either a move or a opportunity, he would only bet 10/game i tossed off the first 3 games. he didnt know how to break at all. He could run balls, tho, the table was wet, i got froze to more balls than i could stand bad rolls etc. i'm down 9 games, when it clicked, i knew it was gonna click, its my game relitative to him, not Scott naturally. I get the banks working real strong, and speed of the table im playing on different equipment everytime i play so im ad a disadvantage everywhere the first few hours.


I knew at 9 games down i was ok, i could see it plane as day. I begged him to play for 50 euro, nope, 8 ball or 9 ball-nope i cant win that game. So at -9 it clicked i win 5 in a row, something like 8-1/8-3/8-0 etc. he knew he had ZERO chance when i got the box figured out, he pulled up on me at -4 games after i win 5 in a row.I was cool about it as i wasnt paying table time etc. so i lose 40 euro, but i validated what i knew i could win that game, and at -9 i wasnt worried.

yesterday at -4, i was done cause i knew i couldnt ever get there. I been around long enough to know that. no shame in that, My friend who plays almost like Mad Max i thought could out run it, based on how i did. he had him 9-9, if we dont back and jack we win-i'm sure of it.

this game wasnt a stick up, I aint green. i made a bad decison not to play the hill/hill match, well i wasnt playing, but it was my idea to back and jack-that was the trap, so i did that to myself-us. But i had to think long and hard about that, where it went wrong, for me playing was wrong and i knew that fast.

thats my analsis, they will play us again and i figure we will end up even $$$ or a hair less, they wont go off they are to smart too, there were no dummies in the room, if there was one it was me, re-racing decision.

best
Eric:)
 
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Last pocket 8 Ball is just standard 8 Ball with a One Pocket twist. If you are both down to the last ball, it's just a matter of either who gets lucky on a bank shot or who screws up last.

Just make sure your last ball is not into the side pocket.

A couple more tactical tricks. If your opponent gets to the 8 ball first, use caroms, banks, and kicks to keep the 8 ball away. If you get there first, play to position the 8 ball with the intention of hiding the CB so that he can't kick, carom, or bank it away.
 
I like Pedistal Pool , where the 8 ball goes up on a pc. of chalk after the break . Don't knock it off . Also the 1 and 15 go in the side pockets , oppisit each other . jim


I played that game on a 6' box in high school with the 8 ball up on the chalk, robbed everyone-chump change but still fun!
 
Last pocket 8 Ball is just standard 8 Ball with a One Pocket twist. If you are both down to the last ball, it's just a matter of either who gets lucky on a bank shot or who screws up last.

Just make sure your last ball is not into the side pocket.

A couple more tactical tricks. If your opponent gets to the 8 ball first, use caroms, banks, and kicks to keep the 8 ball away. If you get there first, play to position the 8 ball with the intention of hiding the CB so that he can't kick, carom, or bank it away.

you didnt read this thread.....
 
Eric.....I totally disagree with your title.
Last pocket 8-ball is a good way to play.

...but bar rules suck
 
Eric.....I totally disagree with your title.
Last pocket 8-ball is a good way to play.

...but bar rules suck

read the thread, if you haven't :)

i will agree that last pocket on proper equipment with no gaff rules is a ok game. but i'll never play it again.
 
read the thread, if you haven't :)

i will agree that last pocket on proper equipment with no gaff rules is a ok game. but i'll never play it again.

Eric....I read every post before I commented.

I've got a bit of gambling experience....I usually refused to play with rules
that defy gaming logic.
I purposely missed a lot of bar action in the 70s because of it.....
...thereby avoiding a lot of aggravation.

I never thought it was wise to play when you had to ask your opponent
whether you won or not.:eek:
 
the game was on a 8' coin op table, big CB, there was 3 14 balls LOL and 2 9 balls, there was the correct number of stripes and solids just the numbers were messed up, and tehy werre from different sets, so they weighed different so the big CB would just roll thru some some balls and not teh others, there was no way to know where the CB was going.

it wasnt pool, it was their game, when you scratched the CB goes on the spot, if you make a solid and strip you lose the inning, so cant open break, the correct break was to glance off the head ball and scratch. another fantastic rule was when you scratched the CB was spotted and you couldnt hit any ball that was below the center of the table, so you had to kick at everything. and If you hook a guy were he cant see the edge of the ball its push out-so no hooks. no rail aint a foul, keep all that straight and play on a table that rolls off every direction possible and see how ya do? there are more rules, i just cant recall them now,



Me and another guy played it, I played better than the guy who won, the guy with me plays a hair below Mad Max i'd guess, he couldnt win that game last night. he robbs me period on regular equipment-i got ZERO chance ever in life to play his speed( we played 5 hours tonight). he couldnt out run that game-it as their game period, SVB might not win, no knock its that brutal. I think maybe Bobby Cotton, Matlock and Danny Medina(RIP) could win cause they could play big ball CB. Cotton plays good 1P and runs the balls good, he of everyone i know in pool would have the best chance in that game, forget JA, Hatch, SVB, those skills aint required to fade that action. no knock but only the old big ball guys have a chance and still mite not get there.


then we find out the whole story today, about who we played. Wow, lets say i got nothing to say right now. it could have been worse if we won.


never again will i play last pocket 8 ball, not a single rack ever.

Never again huh? Don't rush with such decisions, it wasn't the game's fault. I know more about this game than most of the guys here. And that's because that game was pretty much the only pool I ever played. When I posted topics about bar versions of 8 ball we play here (as I said, Serbia is pretty close to me), describing the same rules and equipment you encountered there in your match, you all told me I was a delusional idiot and a troll who knows nothing about pool. You're right, I know very little about pool, but I know a lot about that game you think is so brutal and impossible to win. I'm afraid that great tables and equipment softened you up (not just you Fatboy), and no matter how good and skillful you all are in regular pool with normal rules and equipment, you're lost when you venture into our territory.

Oh my god that game was brutal...(I'm the guy who was there with Eric)

The rules and the Equipment just beat us big time...some of the rules that weren't mentioned are: no ball in hand at all, no need to hit rail after contact, if you hooked there is no foul so you are able to play anywhere you want an move balls...

That was whats the ****ing Game is all about...moving the Balls the right way...its like playing Chess...a little bit like One Pocket...and its pretty Hard to do with the Super tough equipment...One time I Said to Eric man I'm playing on that table with that huge ****ing Bowling Ball Cueball for 4 hours now and I just couldn't figure out how it Works Even though I am pretty Good in Adapting on Equipment...

The guy was playing that Game on that Equipment like for ever and if I wouldn't have done some Super Crazy Shots and runouts he would have just robbed us...I could barely win one of the tactical Games...worst Thing is that if solid and stripe goes on break you lose the Inning otherwise I would have just broke and runout every Game...but no Chance doing that...anyway I had to give him 5 in Race to 10 which was probably too much...

Don't Play another man's game...I'll remember that for sure...cost us a bunch of Money...(Sorry again for losing your Cash too Eric)

Please let me continue. Your tactic wasn't good enough from the beginning. You tried to force your own game in an environment which simply doesn't allow that. Super advanced CB control doesn't work there, and you also can't expect to hit every shot well, no matter how you aim. And that's why you two, who are really good players, lost to a couple of bangers. Conventional skills are nullified on such tables and with these rules. If you want, I can help you correct your mistakes and give you some good advice so you can go right back there and win that cash back. If you will allow a lunatic to help you, of course :rolleyes:

Last pocket 8 Ball is just standard 8 Ball with a One Pocket twist. If you are both down to the last ball, it's just a matter of either who gets lucky on a bank shot or who screws up last.

Just make sure your last ball is not into the side pocket.

A couple more tactical tricks. If your opponent gets to the 8 ball first, use caroms, banks, and kicks to keep the 8 ball away. If you get there first, play to position the 8 ball with the intention of hiding the CB so that he can't kick, carom, or bank it away.

Those are basic tactics for last pocket 8ball, but for the normal version. Speaking of the version these guys had to play, and the equipment they were forced to use, there are many, many more "tactical tricks" they should know if they ever plan to engage in such a game again.
 
the big cue ball was just brutal,

were going to play again, this week. we were going to play today, but things came up. later this week were playing again. i'll make a update on how it works out.
 
Never again huh? Don't rush with such decisions, it wasn't the game's fault. I know more about this game than most of the guys here. And that's because that game was pretty much the only pool I ever played. When I posted topics about bar versions of 8 ball we play here (as I said, Serbia is pretty close to me), describing the same rules and equipment you encountered there in your match, you all told me I was a delusional idiot and a troll who knows nothing about pool. You're right, I know very little about pool, but I know a lot about that game you think is so brutal and impossible to win. I'm afraid that great tables and equipment softened you up (not just you Fatboy), and no matter how good and skillful you all are in regular pool with normal rules and equipment, you're lost when you venture into our territory.



Please let me continue. Your tactic wasn't good enough from the beginning. You tried to force your own game in an environment which simply doesn't allow that. Super advanced CB control doesn't work there, and you also can't expect to hit every shot well, no matter how you aim. And that's why you two, who are really good players, lost to a couple of bangers. Conventional skills are nullified on such tables and with these rules. If you want, I can help you correct your mistakes and give you some good advice so you can go right back there and win that cash back. If you will allow a lunatic to help you, of course :rolleyes:



Those are basic tactics for last pocket 8ball, but for the normal version. Speaking of the version these guys had to play, and the equipment they were forced to use, there are many, many more "tactical tricks" they should know if they ever plan to engage in such a game again.



Just to make sure everybody understands...I KNOW the game we played...I know basic tactics and I won some of the tactical games...
Of course he is better than me in the tactical side of the game but I coul've easily outplayed that on proper equipment (actually it's only about the cueball)...
the only problem was I couldn't do what I can normally do on that equipment...If we just had changed the cueball to regular size I would have destroyed him...but I played like 2 draw shots in 5 hours...how you gonna run out a game like that?
 
Be very careful, my friend, very careful...

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the big cue ball was just brutal,

were going to play again, this week. we were going to play today, but things came up. later this week were playing again. i'll make a update on how it works out.

I'm getting interested in this now......
....will you at least negotiate?

Buy a regulation cue ball....
Ronnie Allen sometimes bought a set of Hyatt Centenials and would donate them to the house.
 
Just to make sure everybody understands...I KNOW the game we played...I know basic tactics and I won some of the tactical games...
Of course he is better than me in the tactical side of the game but I coul've easily outplayed that on proper equipment (actually it's only about the cueball)...
the only problem was I couldn't do what I can normally do on that equipment...If we just had changed the cueball to regular size I would have destroyed him...but I played like 2 draw shots in 5 hours...how you gonna run out a game like that?

I know what you mean. The rules are indentical for both sides and after a few games most players get used to them, whatever bar variant it may be. However, in my experience, I never saw a game of bar last pocket 8 ball (pretty much the only pool game we play in this region of Europe) played on what you'd consider a good table with good equipment. To truly learn this game it's not enough to remember the rules, which you already said are among the most complicated ones in pool world. A man needs to put aside everything he knows about pool so far, about equipment, cue ball behavior and conventional tactics. Those things don't really work here. A friend of mine compared it to tennis. If a man played tennis on a rocky terrain, with rubber balls, damaged or broken rackets, curvy lines and uneven net for 10 years, even though his real skill wouldn't be especially high, he could beat Roger Federer if they played on that same terrain. That's the difference between your pool and ours.
 
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