LD shaft and miscues.

[straightline]

Less? More,? Same?

I would think less if anything. I recall Dr Dave had an issue jumping w/LD shaft. Not sure if that's even related.

 

[garczar]

Less? More,? Same?

I would think less if anything. I recall Dr Dave had an issue jumping w/LD shaft. Not sure if that's even related.

can't tell any difference. never thought of this. ever.

 

[straightline]

can't tell any difference. never thought of this. ever.

All the chalk and tip threads. Just an oddball thought that LD might be less likely to slip past the ball or at least have a buffer zone that's missing in the old high mass wood shafts.

 

[garczar]

All the chalk and tip threads. Just an oddball thought that LD might be less likely to slip past the ball or at least have a buffer zone that's missing in the old high mass wood shafts.

if i thought about this crap i'd never make a ball. oddball is right. 'buffer zone'????? WTF?????

 

[Michael Webb]

Less? More,? Same?

I would think less if anything. I recall Dr Dave had an issue jumping w/LD shaft. Not sure if that's even related.

All comes down to Stroke, if you have one!

 

[Zerksies]

It's tip and player. Shaft has nothing to do with it. Not enough chalk miscue, Aim to far off center miscue.

 

[straightline]

if i thought about this crap i'd never make a ball. oddball is right. 'buffer zone'????? WTF?????

Yeah buffer zone. If the LD miscued less, it would have better hold at the limit or less propensity to scoop the ball.
That might be backwards. Why I'm asking.

 

[garczar]

Yeah buffer zone. If the LD miscued less, it would have better hold at the limit or less propensity to scoop the ball.
That might be backwards. Why I'm asking.

Please. Stop the lunacy. You won't miscue any more/less with a ld shaft than with solid wood. I've used a BUNCH of shafts, both reg. and lo-d. I have never noticed ANY difference in the amt. of miscues. Just more bs to waste time on.

 

[straightline]

Please. Stop the lunacy. You won't miscue any more/less with a ld shaft than with solid wood. I've used a BUNCH of shafts, both reg. and lo-d. I have never noticed ANY difference in the amt. of miscues. Just more bs to waste time on.

Ok but isn't a miscue an extreme type of deflection?

 

[garczar]

Ok but isn't a miscue an extreme type of deflection?

starting to be a tad trollish. look, idk nor do i give a flying fk about meaningless minutia like this. its possible at the microscopic level a ld shaft 'might' miscue less but in ACTUALLY PLAYING REAL pool one will never see it. goodbye and welcome to my ignore list.

 

[straightline]

starting to be a tad trollish. look, idk nor do i give a flying fk about meaningless minutia like this. its possible at the microscopic level a ld shaft 'might' miscue less but in ACTUALLY PLAYING REAL pool one will never see it. goodbye and welcome to my ignore list.

This is what ? Three times? You really should chill. Actually curious. See ya whenever you're back.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Ok but isn't a miscue an extreme type of deflection?

No. Deflection happens because the tip stays on the ball while it rotates.

pj
chgo

 

[boogieman]

Yeah buffer zone. If the LD miscued less, it would have better hold at the limit or less propensity to scoop the ball.
That might be backwards. Why I'm asking.

You might miscue less with an LD but only for the fact you might not have to do as extreme spin to account for throw/deflection. But that's nothing to do with the actual shafts. If you push regular or LD to the miscue point you might miscue.

 

[Straightpool_99]

Less? More,? Same?

I would think less if anything. I recall Dr Dave had an issue jumping w/LD shaft. Not sure if that's even related.

The same.

As far as jumping, it's harder with most ld shafts. What you need to do, to jump a full ball with an ld-shaft, is to hit less of the ball and go shallower on the angle. Imagine a line going through the cueball core at, say 30 degrees. You'd want to go paralell to that line (on the side closest to you, draw), as you can, without miscueing. If you try to go too close to the core line, you have almost no chance with ld-shafts. If you go too steep, it also increases difficulty. In general, long shallow jumps are more doable than short and high jumps. It all depends on skill, of course. I've jumped tons with my Predator Z shaft, which is probably the worst for jumping. I jumped so much with it, in fact, that I broke it. The foam thingy inside came loose. I wouldn't recommend doing this if you care about the shaft at all, but the steeper you go on the jump angle, the harder on the shaft, IMO. As far as the new carbon shafts are concerned, I don't dare jumping with them, they're too damned expensive.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

No. Deflection happens because the tip stays on the ball while it rotates.

pj
chgo

No, deflection happens because the impact force of the cue being off center causes side forces that have to be resolved in both the cueball moving laterally, and the cue moving/bending. Draw a free-body diagram and see the forces and their resolutions.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Deflection happens because the tip stays on the ball while it rotates.

No, deflection happens because the impact force of the cue being off center causes side forces that have to be resolved in both the cueball moving laterally, and the cue moving/bending. Draw a free-body diagram and see the forces and their resolutions.

Almost.

The tip is moved sideways by the rotating cue ball while the tip is in contact, throwing the tip one way and the CB the other way ("equal opposite reaction"). It's their sideways movement while in contact, not just the impact itself, that causes squirt.

pj
chgo

 

[tim913]

Never noticed a difference

 

[Michael Webb]

These Threads are Amusing.
It don't happen often where I feel like hitting balls but lately, a little bit while im out picking up repairs.
So last nite,
I got lucky and ran out 8 ball from his dry break.
He says, he needs a c/f shaft.
I start laughing.
I'm looking at the Cue I'm using and making sure he looks at the Cue.
He got real quiet
I was using his break cue with a bulletproof tip on it.
I said,
Stroke it, don't poke it.
Lmao

 

[rexus31]

Where do people come up with this stuff? Wow.

 

[dr_dave]

Less? More,? Same?

I would think less if anything.

If the shaft is very stiff and the cue is heavy, miscues might be more likely. See the last section here:

maximum spin resource page​

Otherwise, there should be no difference.