LD Shafts are bobo, I don't care what you say...

If by "bobo" you mean loved by some and hated by others, then I agree.

PS what the hell does bobo mean?
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
You obviously don't understand the mechanics of LD shafts or you'd understand that LD and laminated/radial segmented shafts are mutually exclusive. Just because almost all laminated/radial segmented shafts are made to minimize cueball squirt doesn't mean that a solid shaft can't have LD properties.
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You obviously don't understand "mutually exclusive". These are independent properties.
 
Chuck Fields said:
"LD Shafts are bobo, I don't care what you say..."
"This should stir up a good discussion."[/COLOR]
These two statements dont jive. Are you wanting to discuss the shafts, or are you wanting to let everybody know what your opinion is, and not care about what anyone says?

"What I am saying is that the developers of these products did it to make use of junk wood. In the cue making world, the materials used are basically scrap wood. "
The time/labor investment in making a spliced shaft is far more expensive than turning and dipping dowels, and watching them to see if they stay straight. So while yes, some companies such as Predator found ways to use wood that might not be desirable to use as a one piece shaft, they cull and put more work into the shaft than cuemakers like, say Richard Black does his one piece shafts.

"Charging $250 for scrap lumber and glue is basically fancy marketing taking advantage of an extremely gullible and uneducated consumer base."
The price is for a certain consistency and performance. Very few things you buy in this world are priced at the materials cost. Richard Black cues for instance are largely priced based on his name and reputation.
My problem is that it has demeaned the skill of classic cue makers.
Not sure what this means? Who has been demeaned by LD shafts?
"The shafts from my 1979 Richard Black hit as good or better than any laminated or " low deflection shaft."
Glad you found a cue that you enjoy! :smile:

Is the discussion going as you had hoped? :eek::grin-square:
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couldn't agree more, well said
 
Dedeye1209 said:
Yes, I understand the mechanics of a low deflection shaft. What I am saying is that the developers of these products did it to make use of junk wood.
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You've been told more than once that laminated and low deflection are different things. So you clearly don't understand.

pj
chgo
 
Dedeye1209 said:
This should stir up a good discussion.

I have played with predator, OB, Tiger, and others. They all play solid. But the low-deflection shaft was invented to figure out a way to use junk wood and make money. It is a copout, an excuse not to learn the proper way to age, turn, and stabilize good Shaftwood. A real Cuemaker knows how to make a real, great playing shaft. Don't fall prey to this marketing scam!

No laminated shaft plays as good as a properly made, high growth ring maple one.
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Wow, you're certainly pretty confident of your own opinion , aren't you lol

Another man's trash may be another's man gold n vice versa.

Not sure what ya trying to acheive but just pick your best weapon n learn to play w it.

Solid maple definitely produces a more solid hit but an LD shaft certainly increases our learning curve in applying english.

I use mezz shaft, one piece solid maple shaft and with relatively low deflection, i kinda get the best of both world.
Setback is i feel that the shaft kinda weakens over time due to the insertion of a carbon pole . However i can just pick up another mezz shaft n get rolling due to the engineering which maintains the consistency of their shaft.
On the other hand, have you ever thought what are you gonna do bout it if Richard Black closes his business or pass away ?
That has happen to me before when Judd Fuller pass on and i couldnt get a replacement shaft which leads me to ponder about this issue.
Most established and famous cuemaker in the US are getting old and may retire after a few years which may lead to me hunting for good shaft shld anything happen to my cue or shaft.

Just my 2 humble cents :)
 
I've recently gave LD shafts a shot with the OB classic, but have recently switched back to my standard Joss shaft. I prefer the feel and action I get on the standard maple a lot more and accounting for deflection is no issue since I've always been doing it.
 
LOL. maple shaft players hating on LD shafts again.

I mean, if you don't play with them, why would you care?

I don't play with 99.9% of the cues available to the general public, but I'm not about to diss on them because I don't shoot with them.

Why do I care that a guy I know plays with a "moochie"... he likes it. I don't prefer the whippy shaft, but it does not make it a good cue or a bad cue, just a different cue.
 
Absolutely

ChicagoRJ said:
LOL. maple shaft players hating on LD shafts again.

I mean, if you don't play with them, why would you care?

I don't play with 99.9% of the cues available to the general public, but I'm not about to diss on them because I don't shoot with them.

Why do I care that a guy I know plays with a "moochie"... he likes it. I don't prefer the whippy shaft, but it does not make it a good cue or a bad cue, just a different cue.
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Absolutly in this country a guy should be able to play with his shaft any what he likes! lmao
 
ChicagoRJ said:
LOL. maple shaft players hating on LD shafts again.

I mean, if you don't play with them, why would you care?

I don't play with 99.9% of the cues available to the general public, but I'm not about to diss on them because I don't shoot with them.

Why do I care that a guy I know plays with a "moochie"... he likes it. I don't prefer the whippy shaft, but it does not make it a good cue or a bad cue, just a different cue.
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:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
Ron Swanson said:
The majority of non LD shafts I've played with suck. Cannot understand what you all see in them. He only lively one i found was for a cue costing less than 50 dollars. The others play like lead pipes.

Modernity is a great thing.
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I have tried and liked so far a version of the solid maple with a drilled out center of the shaft. Its reduced weight without other changes gave predictability without the lead pipe hit. So far I've liked them.
 
Well you spend $500 on a cue and you just can't seem to pocket balls like you think you should. Or the feel is something you just can't get usde to. Why spend another $500 on another cue when you can get most LD shafts for less than half of a new cue.

Most custom cues I have played with have the cue builders own take on LD or LS (depending on if you are a Deflection guy or a Squirt guy) they make. And they should work just fine.

I have played with and owned several LD/LS shafts. I wind up selling them and going back to a high quality maple shaft. It is all personal opinion on what is the best.

Another option if you don't like the feel or hit of your cue. Try changing the tip. $25-$50 solution that may surprize you on how much it can change the feel.

I say play with what you like and pay no attention to anyone that tries to sell you on the next new thing.
 
rubber cushion are nanny nanny boo boo

Rubber cushions are a big farce. Table makers are just to cheap and lazy
to use old growth, multi ring, aged, bowling alley, organic, wood. Rubber
cushions play no better than good solid bois d'arc. I'm restoring an old
table and as soon as my horse apple tree is aged I will install the fine
wood rails and I challenge anyone to tell the difference.
jack
Free SJD
 
Cocoa said:
One piece shafts can not have uniform rotational accuracy. For some this is not important. For those who care about this quality in their shaft perhaps this will dispel the "junk wood" theory.

https://www.google.com.ar/patents/US20080132346
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Does it ever occur to folks that it is very likely that every one of those splines has a different modulus of elasticity because they come from different boards, and probably even different trees?

The patent talks about achieving a 10% variation in stiffness between splines as if it is a good thing. A solid piece of high-quality hard maple usually has less than a 1% difference in stiffness in all directions. Why settle for a 10% variation when you can have 1% without doing anything special? :shrug:

The chief advantage of making a radially-laminated shaft is dimensional stability (i.e. resistance to warping due to uneven shrinkage/swelling at varying humidity levels). The chief disadvantages are loss of resonance and loss of beauty. A solid shaft of clear straight-grained maple is infinitely more beautiful to look at, and will probably sound and feel a heck of a lot better to most players as well.

I have no comment about the playability of LD shafts of any construction method, but if I was to order a custom cue I'd probably request a shorter ferrule (although I prefer the look of a longer ferrule) and a thinner shaft than 13mm. I'm not sure an LD shaft would help my game in the least, but I see no advantage to actually adding deflection to an otherwise well made shaft just to be traditional.
 
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