League Players

I haven't read this whole thread.

I don't understand the point the TC is making. APA is designed so new pool players can play. APA has the 23 point rule. So you can't have a team full of good shooters. You need some SL2 and SL3's. Without them you can't throw a full team. So when you watch the streaming event what were you expecting from APA? Some players are very good. I know in this area we have some SL7's that can shoot the numbers off the balls. You aren't going to see them everytime though.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
I haven't read this whole thread.

I don't understand the point the TC is making. APA is designed so new pool players can play. APA has the 23 point rule. So you can't have a team full of good shooters. You need some SL2 and SL3's. Without them you can't throw a full team. So when you watch the streaming event what were you expecting from APA? Some players are very good. I know in this area we have some SL7's that can shoot the numbers off the balls. You aren't going to see them everytime though.
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I agree with the above statement, but...


In Johnny's original post, I think he stated he wasn't sure what league he was watching. I think JT in all honesty was just stating that there was some really poor playing that he watched. He wasn't necessarily knocking the APA or any other league directly. He was simply making a statement that..."these guys suck!"

I've played enough league and pool to verify that there are all levels of players. Beginners to shortstops and some low level pros. Pool is a small world and the more participation the better.

There is a statement in life that says, "Live and let live." I think we, as the pool community, maybe we should adopt the statement, "Play and let play."
 
LOL I love it!!! The posts about how since I like to gamble I must be jobless, I must not have a family, I must be a loser. ROFL k you just keep on thinking whatever makes you feel better.

I never once said playing in a league is bad, I never once said that if you do play in a league you must be a bad pool player. I've only stated my observations that league players seem to not like to gamble or play more then the once a week that they are required to. Maybe it's different where I live compared to where you live. And it's funny how a post made towards nobody on this board about local league players where I live gets your panties in a bunch a 1000 miles away over the internet because your a league player.

And about the food and drinks one of the best pool halls in town was an all-ages pool hall and didn't have alchohol or a kitchen. They had a vending machine and a fountain soda machine. And you could bring in your own food or drinks. The reason they went under is it came under new management and the guy they got to run the place was a ahole. He banned outside food and drinks, he got rid of the fountain drinks put in a jukebox that had crappy music, when we used to listen to a mp3 player hooked up to the stereo.

And then came the smoking ban, I think thats what really ended up killing it.

I'm done with this thread. Now I remember why I don't post much on this forum. Too many people that like causing drama.

Since nobody wants to gable at the pool hall, I guess I'll just start going to the casino and play some poker.
 
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poolplayer2093 said:
Because he only talks big over the net. he'll never show up face to face.

his digital balls are huge but the analog ones never dropped
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Now that's some good stuff there!!

I played APA Masters last night and beat a player 7-3 and felt bad about it. Barbox 9 ball is a 2 inning event max with no major tie ups. If he hadn't slammed into the 9 ball and won, followed by a 9 ball on the break it would have been 7-1. And I dogged a hard 8 ball to give him that game.

I love their faces when I draw the rock down full table and get perfect shape, just classic. On an open table I'm running out shooting with the CB almost in motion, a 7 foot Valley is too easy for this player. We all started there though, so it's just a measure of how far our games have come.
 
chefjeff said:
All I know all about this gambling crap is that a league tournament was at a local place and it was PACKED (by Persons with money who actually were spending it on the places products) AND SOME DAMN PERSON WANTED TO GAMBLE and no one wanted to....lame gamblers.. shouldn't even be called players, more like lame jobless losers.

Oh, on the a side note, the bar made a fortune and all (save the loser gambler) had a GREAT time!

What each player gets out of pool is his own choice and his own reward. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to enjoy the game. To each his own.

Jeff Livingston
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It's naive to think that all pool gamblers are broke losers. Last week I lost $20 playing pool, the first negative night I've had shooting pool in over 2 months, just saying.

You don't need to hustle league players to make some decent money in this game. I've never laid down to beat anybody, I'm after players who are willing to wager in order to verify their abilities. If their best game beats me, so be it.

Tonight is another night. Weekly tournament and I will be in action before, during and after if possible. The kid that I lost the $20 to just finished a college degree that should earn him close to 100 K a year, that loss may just be the beginning of a very good gambling relationship.
 
Johnnyt said:
I was watching some league play being streamed today for a few hours off and on. APA I think it was. I came away with one conclusion. Nobody should be allowed to play in any competition until they can run at least 4 balls in a row and have some idea where and how to get the CB there for the next shot. They must play the ghost by themselves until they can beat the 3-ball ghost. I have no idea what an APA 4 is in terms of A< B< C< D ratings, but if an APA 4 is= to a D player I must have been born a “C” player because I can’t ever remember playing that awful. Now I see why they sell so many of those aiming systems.

And for the people that say they are just playing for the fun of it or to socialize…I didn’t see that on their faces. What I saw for the most part was frustration on their faces because they kept missing balls 6 inches from the pocket or scratching every other time they made a ball. No wonder most league players don’t watch and don’t know the names of the top pro players. They couldn’t handle the truth. Sorry league players. I know there are some very good league players out there some where, I just have yet to see any for myself. Johnnyt
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Nothing like speaking before you think......
 
Tooo Funny. Your name is MUD Johnnyt. When you get the NPR guys like cheffjeff comming in here to tell ya's how it is you know you have opened the hornet's nest!
 
Systim6 said:
And about the food and drinks one of the best pool halls in town was an all-ages pool hall and didn't have alchohol or a kitchen. They had a vending machine and a fountain soda machine. And you could bring in your own food or drinks. The reason they went under is it came under new management and the guy they got to run the place was a ahole. He banned outside food and drinks, he got rid of the fountain drinks put in a jukebox that had crappy music, when we used to listen to a mp3 player hooked up to the stereo.
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I guarantee that ahole took the jukebox and no-outside-food/drinks route because the business was losing money and he bought the business thinking he could turn it around. The market speaks for itself, and businesses like that are either ridiculously rare or just plain non-existent in most areas. Which says it all.

Agreed about smoking bans though, they are a blight on business. :)


I wasn't attacking you or your post, just pointing out that the outside-thinking people have on this issue is pretty confusing to people who have worked in the industry or seen the numbers first hand. As someone mentioned, table time is next to nothing on the books, and the 'pool players' all cry about/for dirt cheap flat rates anyways.
 
Spider1 said:
I guarantee that ahole took the jukebox and no-outside-food/drinks route because the business was losing money and he bought the business thinking he could turn it around. The market speaks for itself, and businesses like that are either ridiculously rare or just plain non-existent in most areas. Which says it all.

Agreed about smoking bans though, they are a blight on business. :)


I wasn't attacking you or your post, just pointing out that the outside-thinking people have on this issue is pretty confusing to people who have worked in the industry or seen the numbers first hand. As someone mentioned, table time is next to nothing on the books, and the 'pool players' all cry about/for dirt cheap flat rates anyways.
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No no no. The guy that removed all that stuff was hired to manage the pool hall by my friends father who purchased the business. This guy that started to manage the place would be rude to new people that had questions about their table time and such. He also made a rule so no muscle shirts were allowed, lol.

And the place wasn't losing money before that, the place used to be packed, 1 or 2 hour waits just to get a table on the weekends.
 
Systim6 said:
No no no. The guy that removed all that stuff was hired to manage the pool hall by my friends father who purchased the business. This guy that started to manage the place would be rude to new people that had questions about their table time and such. He also made a rule so no muscle shirts were allowed, lol.

And the place wasn't losing money before that, the place used to be packed, 1 or 2 hour waits just to get a table on the weekends.
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Taking you on your word that what you say about this place near you being true, I would venture to say that that place is the RARITY in today's pool world. It might just be the "one in a million" place that had enough of a name for itself (and a dedicated pool-playing crowd in your area) to subsist on table fees alone.

But I would also venture to say that to assume the whole pool industry "is like" this place (or asking rhetorical questions about why it can't/should be like this place) is a very naive, sheltered viewpoint. Let's say horse-blinders viewpoint ("we see only what we want to see or believe"). Or perhaps more accurately (i.e. because you're basing your viewpoint on that one and only poolroom), a myopic viewpoint. The pool industry is not like that very special place near you. Reality across the nation shows different. Pool rooms have to offer a lot more than just the "privilege" to play on pool tables (and a steady/consistent diet of dedicated customers wanting to do just that) to make their ends meet. I know you don't like to hear this, but it is reality in most areas.

Customer service, on the other hand, goes without saying. You give bad customer service (like that which your friend's father supposedly gave), and you'll be out of business in short order -- no matter what other amenities the pool room offers.

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Taking you on your word that what you say about this place near you being true, I would venture to say that that place is the RARITY in today's pool world. It might just be the "one in a million" place that had enough of a name for itself (and a dedicated pool-playing crowd in your area) to subsist on table fees alone.

But I would also venture to say that to assume the whole pool industry "is like" this place (or asking rhetorical questions about why it can't/should be like this place) is a very naive, sheltered viewpoint. Let's say horse-blinders viewpoint ("we see only what we want to see or believe"). Or perhaps more accurately (i.e. because you're basing your viewpoint on that one and only poolroom), a myopic viewpoint. The pool industry is not like that very special place near you. Reality across the nation shows different. Pool rooms have to offer a lot more than just the "privilege" to play on pool tables (and a steady/consistent diet of dedicated customers wanting to do just that) to make their ends meet. I know you don't like to hear this, but it is reality in most areas.

Customer service, on the other hand, goes without saying. You give bad customer service (like that which your friend's father supposedly gave), and you'll be out of business in short order -- no matter what other amenities the pool room offers.

-Sean
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Yeah, I get what your saying. I guess my life growing up in that type of pool hall I don't really have a good perspective on how different the rest of the pool halls across the country are. I've only been to rooms in AZ, and TX.
 
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Yeah, I get what your saying. I guess my life growing up in that type of pool hall I don't really have a good perspective on how different the rest of the pool halls across the country are. I've only been to rooms in AZ, and TX.
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Yup. Don't get me wrong -- I *know* those places exist, and are gems when you can find 'em. I had one near me -- Jack and Jills in Brewster, NY. But years back, hard times forced the owner, Steve P., to take advantage of the fact that the drug store on the other side of the wall from him went out of business, so he bought the place on his own money, and knocked the wall down to make a kitchen and bar out of the old pharmacy. And when I talk to Steve, he's quick to tell me it was the most beneficial decision he ever made -- even though he was really putting himself out on the limb with his own funds. The kitchen and bar now offer him more revenue than table time itself. And when times are slow, I've overheard Steve talking about putting tables outside (a la bistro style) to offer kitchen and bar fare to the street. The proof's in the pudding there.

I've been to pool rooms all across the country, and the story's the same -- it's hard making ends meet even when you do offer "pool tables plus" other things. I can't imagine what it must be like for those pool rooms who only have their tables to offer. A place like that, that stays in business, is a gem for sure.

-Sean
 
JohnnyT, I am a league player and do accept your apology. However, part of your post is accurate, some league players just do not get, that if you do the same old things, you play the same old way, but if it does not bother them, then it does not bother me. We have some very strong league players here, and some players who can't run three balls, but we all have fun, and the league has been going forever.
 
I watched a league tournament that bigtruck put on a week or so ago, and I and a few other chatters, were putting down some team captains for their playing abilities. I started thinking after johnnyt's post, if they had friends an relatives watching the stream, how it would have looked. I would like to apoligize, to bigtruck for acting like an a** on the chat.
 
irock said:
...and do accept your apology.
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Oh come on now, irock, did you get your feelings hurt? You can be a bigger man than that. Why do you and so many need to be so hard on the ol' man? Johnny is one of the good guys and so are you...give him a break. :) :)


Edit: Sorry irock...I misread your original post and thought you did not accept his apology.
 
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I watched a league tournament that bigtruck put on a week or so ago, and I and a few other chatters, were putting down some team captains for their playing abilities. I started thinking after johnnyt's post, if they had friends an relatives watching the stream, how it would have looked. I would like to apoligize, to bigtruck for acting like an a** on the chat.
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We should all try to be a little more concerned about others feelings and point of view as well as being sensitive to our audience on the internet. I sometimes forget there might be kids reading these post and looking at the avatars and pictures. Sometimes the avatars are not appropriate if I am in a work environment. Therefore, I seldom view AZ at work. This is something the Mike and the mods should consider regarding the content here on AZ forums.
 
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Just MY OPinion

I am close to retirement from my current job. I'll be the big 62. I live at least an hour from a real pool room in a real nice small town. I love pool. I grew up in an old time pool room. Nothin' but pool and a soda machine (bottles, no cans). I'm giving serious thought to opening a pool room as I intend to keep working. I've also thought about sticking with leagues and newbies. No tournaments unless they are for bangers only.

I love watching good players play. I personally like to gamble on pool and other things, sports, ect. My experience has been that the better players that like to gamble, spend little money and are a pain in the backside, always complaining.

I get all the excitement that comes with pro players competing by going to the Derby City Classic every year. I think if you asked the people who sell pool related merchandise, cues, cases, tables, balls, ect. most of their business doesn't come from pros, shortstops, or "A" players. It comes from B, C. & D players who play because they enjoy it and want to get better.

Just my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Been doin' this a long time.

Have a great day! SteveD
 
Getting back to league play... I started on a new APA team at Galaxy Billiards in Silver Spring, MD. This is a very large upscale sports bar. They have 35 Gold Crown 4's with super speed rails and Simonis cloth sprayed with Scotch Gurad. They have twice as many TV's and a boom box that's louder than a pile-driver.

There was a new team of college studends from Howard University that happened to need a six. I got to play last night aganst another six. He won the first three games. One of his games was a break-and-run. Then I came back to win five in a row and won the match.

It's hard to socialize in there because of all the background niose. But I did have a good time. It was a good match.
 
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master9baller said:
It's naive to think that all pool gamblers are broke losers. Last week I lost $20 playing pool, the first negative night I've had shooting pool in over 2 months, just saying.

You don't need to hustle league players to make some decent money in this game. I've never laid down to beat anybody, I'm after players who are willing to wager in order to verify their abilities. If their best game beats me, so be it.

Tonight is another night. Weekly tournament and I will be in action before, during and after if possible. The kid that I lost the $20 to just finished a college degree that should earn him close to 100 K a year, that loss may just be the beginning of a very good gambling relationship.
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I don't think all pool gamblers are broke losers. Anyone who survives by gambling is.

Gambling produces nothing.

Producing nothing is anti-human, wasted time. Man is meant to produce by his nature, his way of survival.

It is the best gamblers who are the biggest losers in life, in defaulting on what it is to create a life as a human being.

Jeff Livingston
 
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