League won't let you change cues to jump? No problem!

That would explain it

ndgreen said:
In APA if you decide not to shoot a shot for any reason, it would be ball in hand to the incoming player.
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Well that explains it then, she handed it to him cause it was a terrible layout, he handed it back to her and then she tried to bump ball but made it makeable and he ran out.
 
In the APA, dedicated jump cues are banned (because of length). As long as you attempt or make your shot with a full length cue, you're fine.

stratshutr said:
I like the cue. I built an extension that screw in the bottom of my cue for the same reason. It's purpleheart with a G10 tip. Jumps real well but makes for a long cue.
Not sure how APA could ban using your playing cue to jump? BTW I play the entire match with the extension on the cue. I don't just put it on for jumps.


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ctyhntr, check dictionaries. no such word as irregardless.
I got called on this myself 30yrs ago by a regional mgmt while selling insurance. it's regardless or not. grin.
embarrassed he'll out of me, but it's true. Google it.
I've never googled it but will aft this post!
play well friend!
 
hang-the-9 said:
APA does not have pushouts or 3 foul rules (they say to keep from confusing "casual" players), but I don't think in ANY league you can just not shoot your shot and have the other person take your turn. I am pretty sure in standard WPA rules you can give up your break if you want, never heard that you can just tell the other person they can take your shot if they want mid-rack. Unless it's often just a silly thing to do as is not against the rules, but I've never seen or heard of anyone passing back a shot that was not a push.
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I think in any scenario you can give the other player ball in hand. But you're right APA does not allow you to forfeit a shot from where the cb lies. Someone might need to monitor that league
 
ctyhntr said:
http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf

Players are not allowed to break down their cues or switch to specialty cues (such as cues designed for jumping and/or breaking) to attempt massé or jump shots
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Sorry, I meant to delete the part about jump cues from your quote, but I think everyone knows jump cues are not allowed in standard APA league play.

In any event, this is the untrue part:
ctyhntr said:
As long as you attempt or make your shot with a full length cue, you're fine.
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No, you are not fine. A break cue, generally speaking, is a full length cue. You are not allowed to switch to a break cue to execute a jump shot per the APA rule book.

Since you like to link to the rule book, perhaps you should re-read page 43. The newest version is even more specific.
 
336Robin said:
Well that explains it then, she handed it to him cause it was a terrible layout, he handed it back to her and then she tried to bump ball but made it makeable and he ran out.
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If this resulted in ball in hand for the player, I don't see much of an issue with not taking the shot with the modified league rules for ignoring some flagrant fouls that may result in loss of game, like not even attempting a proper shot even in tapping the cueball. I thought that the result was that the player just said I don't want to shoot this and you can, without ball in hand.

Would make for an interesting strategy for a good player to just hand the other player ball in hand instead of trying for something tough and just waiting for a mistake again.
 
fish2 said:
So would the double tipped cue be legal in APA ?
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There is no rule against it. However, the team manual has a stipulation stating equipment not specifically covered in the rules is subject to evaluation by the APA. I'd go out on a limb and say they'd rule against its use since it violates the spirit of the rules.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Would make for an interesting strategy for a good player to just hand the other player ball in hand instead of trying for something tough and just waiting for a mistake again.
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I have done this numerous times. If the likelihood is that you are going to get a bad hit or simply open them up to finish out or the alternative is to hand them the ball, I will hand them the ball every time. And if the cue ball is touching another ball, I will simply tell them they have BIH so they can pick it up and possibly give me BIH while trying to remove it from the table. I have even shot other peoples balls in to remove them from a breakout position or to lessen their ball count so they have to start worrying about the tied up balls.

Strategy is strategy and sometimes you have to out think your opponent more than out shoot them.
 
336Robin said:
Recently I was asked to decide if during an APA match where a player refused a shot and handed it back to the other shooter was legal. I had no idea there wasn't a 3 foul rule in that league but apparently there wasn't and the shooter handed it back to the original player who was up, she shot and he ran out. So I told them it was 6 of one and a half dozen of the other since it ended the way it supposed to have been played but I have never heard of such a thing.
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In APA you can give over the shot to opponent, but you have to pick up cueball and give ball in hand. it is also marked as a defensive shot on player giving BIH.

Mike
 
Great idea. Way to think outside the box and solve the problem that the rules created.
 
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