Learning different strokes in pool

[freddy the beard]

Early timing

Because you close your hand, I don't understand the early timing. A slip stroke has a full long follow-thru and late timing as well. Just because you close your hand doesn't mean its early timing.

What I am about to tell you cost me $200 to learn 40 yrs ago. A slip-stroke is the shortest and earliest of strokes! When your grip hand closes on the butt your stroke is at that point completed. Inertia takes over and the subsequent effects are automatic. You can then add a two foot follow-thru and it wont change the action. Check an old tape of Mosconi, Crane, Jimmy Moore, Eddie Taylor and check how long their stroke is. You people are making me very uncomfortable talking about stroke. When I was a kid I asked a stroke question to the billiard champion, Gus Copulos, and he just turned and walked away. Now I am expected to up this stuff for free on the internet just because someone challenges my statements. Last thing: a stoke-slip involves "throwing" the stick at the Q ball and is a follow-thru stroke.
the Beard

 

[freddy the beard]

Sonia, you sound like an idiot

INSTEAD OF FIXATING ON STROKES, FIRST LEARN TO POCKET, BANK, CAROM, COMBO BALLS, ACCURATELY AND CONSISTENTLY. THAT'S THE NAME OF THE GAME. STROKES DO NOT POCKET BALLS, ACCURACY AND CONSISTENCY DOES.

SONIA

I would refrain from giving advice, Sonia. It sounds like you don't know a pool ball from a bowling ball.
The Beard

 

[onepocketchump]

Because you close your hand, I don't understand the early timing. A slip stroke has a full long follow-thru and late timing as well. Just because you close your hand doesn't mean its early timing.

What I am about to tell you cost me $200 to learn 40 yrs ago. A slip-stroke is the shortest and earliest of strokes! When your grip hand closes on the butt your stroke is at that point completed. Inertia takes over and the subsequent effects are automatic. You can then add a two foot follow-thru and it wont change the action. Check an old tape of Mosconi, Crane, Jimmy Moore, Eddie Taylor and check how long their stroke is. You people are making me very uncomfortable talking about stroke. When I was a kid I asked a stroke question to the billiard champion, Gus Copulos, and he just turned and walked away. Now I am expected to up this stuff for free on the internet just because someone challenges my statements. Last thing: a stoke-slip involves "throwing" the stick at the Q ball and is a follow-thru stroke.
the Beard

Freddy,

You have a book for sale. When you join a discussion here you are going to get all kinds of questions from those who want to know, those who think they know it all, and those who thought they knew. By just being yourself and not getting frustrated by the clowns you will sell a lot of us on yourself and your book. I, for one, am going to buy one based SOLELY on what you have written here. I had heard of you before but this is sort of like an author's reading so it makes it more personal when I get the book.

Unlike the old days people are sharing their knowledge these days for free and for profit. Believe me, there are still plenty of suckers out there that think they know everything and won't bother to learn wht you have to teach.

John

 

[pooltchr]

INSTEAD OF FIXATING ON STROKES, FIRST LEARN TO POCKET, BANK, CAROM, COMBO BALLS, ACCURATELY AND CONSISTENTLY. THAT'S THE NAME OF THE GAME. STROKES DO NOT POCKET BALLS, ACCURACY AND CONSISTENCY DOES.

SONIA

And accuracy and consistency comes from a consistent repeatable stroke.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

[the kirkwood ki]

Freddy make em buy your books

Because you close your hand, I don't understand the early timing. A slip stroke has a full long follow-thru and late timing as well. Just because you close your hand doesn't mean its early timing.

What I am about to tell you cost me $200 to learn 40 yrs ago. A slip-stroke is the shortest and earliest of strokes! When your grip hand closes on the butt your stroke is at that point completed. Inertia takes over and the subsequent effects are automatic. You can then add a two foot follow-thru and it wont change the action. Check an old tape of Mosconi, Crane, Jimmy Moore, Eddie Taylor and check how long their stroke is. You people are making me very uncomfortable talking about stroke. When I was a kid I asked a stroke question to the billiard champion, Gus Copulos, and he just turned and walked away. Now I am expected to up this stuff for free on the internet just because someone challenges my statements. Last thing: a stoke-slip involves "throwing" the stick at the Q ball and is a follow-thru stroke.
the Beard

Freddy,
Make these people who want something for nothing buy your books and charge a little more for them. Banking with the Beard 1 is a gold mine of information and at 30 bucks, a steal. Anyone challenging you is clueless and not worth a response. You had to pay for this info and secrets by spending forty plus years in the trenches with the best of the best, so make them pay too. I will buy anything you put out and anyone who doesn't, obviously isn't serious about their game anyway.

 

[Walter N.]

I have learned by using a punch stroke it is alot easier to predict the out come of position play. I have alot more control with the cue ball and use less english. Question If you shorten the length of your follow through from 8-10 inches to 6-8 inches is it easier to control the cue ball and the type of stroke used?

Walter N.

 

[Rod]

Because you close your hand, I don't understand the early timing. A slip stroke has a full long follow-thru and late timing as well. Just because you close your hand doesn't mean its early timing.

What I am about to tell you cost me $200 to learn 40 yrs ago. A slip-stroke is the shortest and earliest of strokes! When your grip hand closes on the butt your stroke is at that point completed. Inertia takes over and the subsequent effects are automatic. You can then add a two foot follow-thru and it wont change the action. Check an old tape of Mosconi, Crane, Jimmy Moore, Eddie Taylor and check how long their stroke is. You people are making me very uncomfortable talking about stroke. When I was a kid I asked a stroke question to the billiard champion, Gus Copulos, and he just turned and walked away. Now I am expected to up this stuff for free on the internet just because someone challenges my statements. Last thing: a stoke-slip involves "throwing" the stick at the Q ball and is a follow-thru stroke.
the Beard

Fair enough, just a communication problem. It was the context of your explanation I didn't follow. I knew there had to be a reasonable explanation. BTW I didn't say a stroke-slip didn't have a follow-thru, it's just not as much without your hand attached.

This conversation was between you and me not the name callers although there always near on an internet forum when someone questions someone. Don't worry for free about me, maybe them, your not giving away something that is known. Hope you sell a lot of books (I mean that), we've both been through the trenches as was mentioned. I'm just not writing a book.

Rod

 

[freddy the beard]

Thanks for the plug

Freddy,
Make these people who want something for nothing buy your books and charge a little more for them. Banking with the Beard 1 is a gold mine of information and at 30 bucks, a steal. Anyone challenging you is clueless and not worth a response. You had to pay for this info and secrets by spending forty plus years in the trenches with the best of the best, so make them pay too. I will buy anything you put out and anyone who doesn't, obviously isn't serious about their game anyway.

Thanks for the plug. I basically quit teaching players because to me they didn't have the proper respect for the game. They just wanted to learn how to take something out of the game without giving anything back or to put in a hard dedicated effort. I backed off of them and stopped teaching. Don't worry, they never got the real goodness. I never release that until it's proven to me that they deserve to get it. I won't name names, but some of them are very well known. However, it's guys like you that make it all worth it.
The Beard

 

[freddy the beard]

Fair enough,Rod

Fair enough, just a communication problem. It was the context of your explanation I didn't follow. I knew there had to be a reasonable explanation. BTW I didn't say a stroke-slip didn't have a follow-thru, it's just not as much without your hand attached.

This conversation was between you and me not the name callers although there always near on an internet forum when someone questions someone. Don't worry for free about me, maybe them, your not giving away something that is known. Hope you sell a lot of books (I mean that), we've both been through the trenches as was mentioned. I'm just not writing a book.

Rod

Thanks, Rod,
I never want to squabble with anybody that has been in the trenches. That was enough problems for a lifetime. Pool combat-vets are my kind of guy.
the Beard

 

[the kirkwood ki]

No Problem

Thanks for the plug. I basically quit teaching players because to me they didn't have the proper respect for the game. They just wanted to learn how to take something out of the game without giving anything back or to put in a hard dedicated effort. I backed off of them and stopped teaching. Don't worry, they never got the real goodness. I never release that until it's proven to me that they deserve to get it. I won't name names, but some of them are very well known. However, it's guys like you that make it all worth it.
The Beard

No problem Freddy. It's my pleasure. Can't wait for the next book! I have bought or seen almost every book on pool out there and none of them compare to yours. Keep em coming!!

 

[blah blah]

INSTEAD OF FIXATING ON STROKES, FIRST LEARN TO POCKET, BANK, CAROM, COMBO BALLS, ACCURATELY AND CONSISTENTLY. THAT'S THE NAME OF THE GAME. STROKES DO NOT POCKET BALLS, ACCURACY AND CONSISTENCY DOES.

SONIA

Sonia, my female pool-playing friend in Northern California, you're back! And just in time for the women's tournement in the bay area in August, right? Why don't you PM me, and this time, allow for a reply.

 

[vapoolplayer]

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[blah blah]

you're still on the outside looking in huh? still no clue

VAP

you're right, i'm on the outside looking in.
instead of rolling your eyes at me,

enlighten me.

 

[vapoolplayer]

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[blah blah]

you keep doing that and one day they're going to get stuck- didn't your mother ever tell you that?

 

[drivermaker]

you keep doing that and one day they're going to get stuck- didn't your mother ever tell you that?

He was told that he would go blind from doing a certain something. Weren't you warned about that? Why in the hell do you think your eyes keep getting worse and worse over the years? (actually all of our eyes)

 

[blah blah]

He was told that he would go blind from doing a certain something. Weren't you warned about that? Why in the hell do you think your eyes keep getting worse and worse over the years? (actually all of our eyes)

shoot- i knew about hairy palms, but eyesight, too? We're doomed.

 

[sonia]

To order Banking With The Beard call for an autographed copy at 312 225 5514 or email me at fbentivegna@sbcglobal.net The book cost $29.95 plus $4 shipping. Its 220 pages of stories, diagrams, systems and secrets.
Freddy The Beard

I HAVE NOT HEARD A SECRET OR SYSTEM SINCE 1934. SHOW ME ONE OR THE OTHER, OPENLY OR PRIVATELY.


SONIA

 

[freddy the beard]

Who are you, Sonia?

I HAVE NOT HEARD A SECRET OR SYSTEM SINCE 1934. SHOW ME ONE OR THE OTHER, OPENLY OR PRIVATELY.


SONIA

Sonia,
Do I know you? If not, then why on earth would I want to show you anything? Nobody can get anything out of me by being unfriendly and confrontive. However, maybe we got off on the wrong foot. I get upset easily. I never want to discourage any one who has a real love for the game.
the Beard

 

[drivermaker]

Sonia,
If not, then why on earth would I want to show you anything? Nobody can get anything out of me by being unfriendly and confrontive.
the Beard

ROTFLMAO...This is EXACTLY the same philosophy that BOTH of you have and are like Siamese Twins when it comes to it.

Freddy, don't know if you know Sonia or not, but I do, and have the utmost respect. Super knowledgeable, super person...just like you seem to be in your own curmudgeon way. (I guess we all evolve to that, I know I have to an extent and it's getting worse)