Legal or illegal?

what's a jump cue?

depends in what his definition of a jump cue is.
rules should perhaps be "no jump shots"
i think it's better on the table anyway.
 
I believe the rule stipulates you must jump with your playing cue. That eliminates people from playing games to get around the rule.
 
I agree with JB...the jump is a LOW PERCENTAGE shot, Just as is the kick.
PERIOD.
I would rather give my opponent the shot with a jump cue, than take the shot (assuming he has to clear most of the object ball).
MOST jump shots result in the cue ball on the floor and a ball in hand for the opponent. Even with a good player, theres a 30 % chance of bouncing the cue ball, 50-60 % chance of a foul, and say...20% chance of making the ball...
And what about the leave after a jump, LOL...
ADD using a full length jump cue, which WONT jump as well as a real jumper...and I say JUMP AWAY my freind, IM CHALKING UP LOL.
and...I dont care if its made out of balsa wood, if you used that 58" cue to jump, you'd see that its no advantage.
 
8onthebreak said:
I agree with JB...the jump is a LOW PERCENTAGE shot, Just as is the kick.
PERIOD.
I would rather give my opponent the shot with a jump cue, than take the shot (assuming he has to clear most of the object ball).
MOST jump shots result in the cue ball on the floor and a ball in hand for the opponent. Even with a good player, theres a 30 % chance of bouncing the cue ball, 50-60 % chance of a foul, and say...20% chance of making the ball...
And what about the leave after a jump, LOL...
ADD using a full length jump cue, which WONT jump as well as a real jumper...and I say JUMP AWAY my freind, IM CHALKING UP LOL.
and...I dont care if its made out of balsa wood, if you used that 58" cue to jump, you'd see that its no advantage.
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I didn't say it's a low percentage shot. How well you can jump, kick, or shoot long straight-ins with draw, depends on your ability and nerves. Ability is gained through practice and nerves are gained through confidence and confidence is gained through ability.

With just about any jump shot where the cue ball is not less than six inches from the object ball up to about two feet I am in the 80% range to hit and not foul. 40-50% up to 90% to make the ball depending on the lay of the balls.

When the cue ball is less than 6" away I am in the 50% range to not foul and maybe the 30-40% range to make it, again depending on the ball positions. Some shots are more like 70-80% to make.

I play safeties a lot when I jump. I can stop the rock on a jump shot, I can follow and I can draw. I can jump with spin. In other words I can do just about everything I would do if didn't have to jump. In a diminished capacity of course but I can still do it all.

A jump cue in the hands of someone who thinks it's a get-out-of-jail free card is a lot of times more of a detriment to them than a help. I see guys, good players even, who refuse to practice with the jump cue and then when it crunch time they blow a lot of shots. Conversely when a really good player does practice with it then they get REALLY good, really accurate, and really deadly with it, real quick.

I taught a better player than myself how to jump and when I came back to the pool room a week later he was eager to show me his skill and after a week he was certainly way better than me. There were a few shots that he didn't know but for the straightforward jump shots he is now much smoother than me and super accurate.

Percentages are tied to Preparation. Or to put it in poolspeak, the better I am the luckier I get.
 
Going back to the OP,

If the house rule is no jump shots, it's not legal.

If the tournament rule is no jump shots, it's not legal.

If there isn't a rule against jump shots, then if there's a rule against jump cues, i.e., switching cues for a jump shot or breaking down a cue for a jump shot, then, hi, it's not legal.

Certain leagues don't allow jump cues because it slows down the match for players to switch cues during an inning. Very few leagues have actually full-on banned the jump shot.

Certain locations have banned jump shots because people are idiots. :D

If there's nothing specifically stating it's illegal, it's legal, but don't expect to be able to use that setup everywhere.

... So, what is everybody else talking about?
 
The Renfro said:
The no break cue rules are laughable at best... How many years has this been being argued now? 25+? I don't think the winds are going to change and the major sanctioning bodies suddenly declare them illegal...

I find it amazingly funny that most of the players I have met that don't like jump cues usually cannot jump and are relatively weak safety players....

I would rather they institute a rule where you can only use the jump cue on either your first shot on a turn at the table or on a shot following a push after the break than a total ban... Hooking yourself shouldn't leave you the jump bail out.....

I love pushing to jump shots off the break when I am playing someone who I know hates jump cues and has to pass it back or hope to a kick in.....
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Agreed..... :)
 
To the OP's question, of course its illegal if its a dedicated jump cue, by his own admission.

JB, I think your percentages are probably accurate...

I didn't say it's a low percentage shot. How well you can jump, kick, or shoot long straight-ins with draw, depends on your ability and nerves. Ability is gained through practice and nerves are gained through confidence and confidence is gained through ability.

With just about any jump shot where the cue ball is not less than six inches from the object ball up to about two feet I am in the 80% range to hit and not foul. 40-50% up to 90% to make the ball depending on the lay of the balls.

When the cue ball is less than 6" away I am in the 50% range to not foul and maybe the 30-40% range to make it, again depending on the ball positions. Some shots are more like 70-80% to make.
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Point I was trying to make here is that IT IS a low percentage shot...
using your numbers...
40-50% chance of pocketing the ball...
as much as 90% and as little as 30%...
WITH A 20%-50% CHANCE OF A FOUL...
does not constitute a high percentage shot by ANY standards. I would let the opponent shoot that shot and wait my turn. Odds are in my favor that they'll miss the shot, and I have a good chance to pick up a ball in hand too :-)
 
real point I was trying to make is...dont worry about his 5'long jump cue, LOL
It wont affect the end of season rankings in the least, I give him 1 point for creativity, and take 1 point away for ethics, LOL
 
victorl said:
There's a guy who comes to play house tournaments at my hall who has a unique cue setup that I'm not sure is legal or not. Where I play jump cues are not allowed, but he has a dedicated full length jump cue that jumps like a short cue. He showed it to me and it was a regular jump break cue, but he had completely drilled out the core of the butt piece so it weighs next to nothing, so it's pretty much a jump cue with a weightless extension.
It felt only slightly heavier than a regular jump cue, so I'd say about 10-12 oz tops.
There's no weight rule where I play so I guess it's ok, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of a no-jump-cue rule?
What do y'all think, legal or not?
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Why not just have a no-jump-shot rule instead? IMO he isn't breaking the rules. For example, if I take the weight bolt out of a cue to make it lighter would that make it a jump cue? Basically that is what he did, He made a cue so light that it would make jumping easier.
 
8onthebreak said:
To the OP's question, of course its illegal if its a dedicated jump cue, by his own admission.

JB, I think your percentages are probably accurate...



Point I was trying to make here is that IT IS a low percentage shot...
using your numbers...
40-50% chance of pocketing the ball...
as much as 90% and as little as 30%...
WITH A 20%-50% CHANCE OF A FOUL...
does not constitute a high percentage shot by ANY standards. I would let the opponent shoot that shot and wait my turn. Odds are in my favor that they'll miss the shot, and I have a good chance to pick up a ball in hand too :-)
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I would say that in general for a wide range of shots the odds are in your favor when a player goes to the jump shot, even with a jump cue. No matter how you look at it the shot still has to included everything any normal shot would have plus the added complextity of of angle and speed while jacked up.

Like I said though the odds of success for the shooting player go way up with practice.

That's the dirty little secret that the anti-jump cue crowd hates to hear. They hate to hear that to be good at it you need practice. Anyone who takes the five minute lesson and can make the ball hop after that lesson is in for a world of pain trying to lean on that crutch if they never take the time to master it.
 
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