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rhncue said:
Although I've never grabbed the chuck on these small lathes, I know what Bugs is talking about. In 96 or 97 I was at the BCA Trade Show and the Unique machine was first making it's appearance. They had two or three options at different prices concerning chucks and such. I was impressed with the little machine's portability. I met a friend there and talked him into getting one for his bar. I had a shop in Columbus OH at the time in the same mall as Cornfed Reds room. I was doing all of their repair work along with about 6 other rooms in the area. I decided to move back to Cincinnati so Cornfeds wanted to know what they should get to do their own tips and ferrules and such. I told them to get the Unique. A couple of months later I was at Cornfeds to do repair work for the Viking Tour 10,000.00 added end of year tournament. Instead of bringing in my booth and my traveling equipment I used the Unique instead. I was very disappointed to say the least. It was taking me 20 to 25 min. to put on a tip and clean and polish a shaft. After cleaning I use a leather to burnish the shaft and with the Unique I couldn't do this. Trying to burnish only stalled the motor and I couldn't keep it running fast enough to steam out dents.

I don't know if they have replaced these motors since then or not but if they haven't they surely should. Cornfeds don't use their lathe for travelling. They have a little booth set up for it. I told them that they should dump the little sewing machine motor and put on a 1/2 or 3/4 hp motor on it so that it would be usable. I don't know if they ever did or not.

Dick
I bought the optional stronger motor. It's pretty strong.
The aluminum saddle is still kinda light.
Using sharpened steel bits and titanium edged rasor blades make changing tips easier.
 
bubsbug said:
Agreeed! ETOH, MONEY were involved!! Again, agreed and STUPID!!!! But I also new the limitations and outcome. I was just trying to show someone new some differences, that all!!! A metal Lathe Is a BEAST!! And yes a bench top can hurt you but I would rather take my chance with a BT model over Metal floor lathe. Put another way, Car vs' Semi!! Which would you rather be in when a train hits. Either way it's going to hurt, but how bad!!!

Ok, maybe it was a bad senaro all together I dont like where this is going so Im done! Thanks



Bubs, I agree with you, that they are a somewhat safer lathe for a beginner, verses a metal lathe, I have a deluxe & have said that Myself before, although I would also say though, that It shouldn't lead to a false since of security either. They can still bite in many ways like any piece of machinery.


Which of the three is the best I can't say for sure as I have not used them all, but the deluxe is capable of building a cue from scratch, and does a lot of things for one lathe. Chris's customer service Is excellent IMO also.

I have not owned the unique, but I do know Jim is a great guy, willing to help people same a Chris, and often lends help and advice even when It's not profitable to Him. That says a lot about someone to Me, and I can only imagine the unique is a good machine too.

The Porper seems to have It's share of followers as well, and some good makers use them, so I can only think that they have their share of uses too.


I guess the purchase of a lathe doesn't get any easier from that, but I can only comment on the deluxe, and say that It has done a good job for me in everything from repair work to building a few cues a year In My spare time. If Someone has a smaller space, It's also easier to move around in those situations. Eventually as business grows though, so will the need for more lathes, but it's a good start IMHO. Greg
 
rhncue said:
Trying to burnish only stalled the motor and I couldn't keep it running fast enough to steam out dents.
Dick

The DC motor is an option and I doubt if you can stall it.
More likely the cue will slip in the soft Delrin jaws.
I wrap three layers of blue masking tape on the cue before placing it in the Unique chuck just to give extra bite and protect the cues finish.

Each machine has its strong points and weak points.
That is why most cue makers that have been making cues for any length of time have more than one machine in their shop.

How many lathes you got in you shop Dick? <grin>
 
dave sutton said:
no both are good but cuesmith mid size and deluxe u can me a full cue on.
both lathes have full legnth cutting where cue companion doesnt.

Do not get confused here.

When you are talking about lathes ... mass equals stability ... there is no way around the laws of physics.
Tool chatter is a problem cutting metal with a light weight table top lathe.
Anything less than a full size floor standing metal lathe is a compromise but depending on what function you are using it for that may not matter much. Wood is softer and easer to cut than metal.

The Cue Companion is a REPAIR lathe that can be used to make a cue but in a very limited fashion.

The Hightower and Porper (with the exception of the Jr) are designed as CUE MAKING lathes.
Unique has a machine called the CueMaker lathe for making cues.

A cue making lathe can do anything a repair lathe can do but a repair lathe can not do all that a cue making lathe can.

I would not consider any products from Hightower, Unique, or Porper as a cheap lathe but rather as quality portable equipment with limited ability.
They all do what they were designed to do very well.
 
ratcues said:
Willie talks of the slop in the carriage table, not the taper attachment. I have brought that to Joe's attention and all machine made from now on are corrected.

I WAS talking about the slop in the taper bar setup.
There is nothing to keep the follower against one side of the taper bar grove and it will wander from side to side as it moves down the shaft.
You must modify that with a spring or bungee cord or stand there applying pressure with your hand to cut a taper.

Perhaps that has been correct by now.

That was never a problem for me with my Porper 'B' lathe because I had a Unique Taper/Shaper machine to cut tapers and it was designed with a spring to keep the follower pin firmly against the side of the taper bar grove.
 
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Gloves,rings, long hair, loose clothing are all extremly dangerous around machine tools.

A friend of mines dad had a finger ripped off on a Bridgeport because he was wearing gloves. He was not knowledgeable of machine tools and acted as if it was a large drill press. I do not know all of the details except the item with the most power wins.

Be Careful

Read the documentation.

Use Common sense.

Safey First
 
dave sutton said:
i can tell you this... i havent encountered a problem that i couldnt call chris and he didnt walk me right through it.


his customer service is the best it can possibly be...

That is true.
Chris will help you even if you do not own his equipment.

I have experienced the same level helpfulness with my dealings with Jim and Brian at Unique.
 
I wonder?
If there was a lathe on the marked that was user friendly , dependable , accurate , and would sell for less than all others , would the cue world want it?
The cue world needs better machines that do not weigh a ton , but are built durable. And you don't want to have a tow motor to move one around in you shop.
So what do you guys think , If someone had such machines , would you guys like them if they would stand up to the every day work we all do? And did what they were designed to do.
I would!
Thanx ,
Jim
 
J&D CUSTOMS said:
I wonder?
If there was a lathe on the marked that was user friendly , dependable , accurate , and would sell for less than all others , would the cue world want it?
The cue world needs better machines that do not weigh a ton , but are built durable. And you don't want to have a tow motor to move one around in you shop.
So what do you guys think , If someone had such machines , would you guys like them if they would stand up to the every day work we all do? And did what they were designed to do.
I would!
Thanx ,
Jim

To many parameters to exist. Light weight and accuracy cannot be used in the same sentence if you really are talking about accuracy. This is the reason that literally all accurate machine tools (lathes, mills, shapers, grinders, etc., etc.) are made of cast iron. It is used both for the weight but even more importantly is the lack of transfer of vibrations. Thing is, cast iron is heavy. A heavy, accurate piece of machinery is needed for productivity. I use 1,000.00 chucks on some of my lathes and they have saved me hundreds of hours of labor as I know when I chuck something up it is running true. I don't have to waste time shimming just to get something to run true before I can turn it. Now if you are talking about something that is semi-accurate, then aluminum and lightweight alloys can be used. Just cutting wood and phenolics lightweight equipment can get by as the final product needs to be sanded anyway. However, it is very difficult trying to make any metal parts or turning and truing a metal joint with a lightweight machine unless you don't mind spending an awful lot of time filing and sanding out the chatter marks.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
To many parameters to exist. Light weight and accuracy cannot be used in the same sentence if you really are talking about accuracy. This is the reason that literally all accurate machine tools (lathes, mills, shapers, grinders, etc., etc.) are made of cast iron. It is used both for the weight but even more importantly is the lack of transfer of vibrations. Thing is, cast iron is heavy. A heavy, accurate piece of machinery is needed for productivity. I use 1,000.00 chucks on some of my lathes and they have saved me hundreds of hours of labor as I know when I chuck something up it is running true. I don't have to waste time shimming just to get something to run true before I can turn it. Now if you are talking about something that is semi-accurate, then aluminum and lightweight alloys can be used. Just cutting wood and phenolics lightweight equipment can get by as the final product needs to be sanded anyway. However, it is very difficult trying to make any metal parts or turning and truing a metal joint with a lightweight machine unless you don't mind spending an awful lot of time filing and sanding out the chatter marks.

Dick
tap, tap , tap
Joey~6-Jaw Bison Chuck running at .0002" gets him started~
 
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