Looking for some sub rail angle advice

Go ahead with your idea then, that will work too. The Monarch Superspeed K55 cushions had the same measurements as the K66, which is why so many people install the K66 cushions on GC's, what they FAIL to realize is that K55 and K66 cushions don't share the same nose height, because the triangle of the cushions are different!!!
Thanks. I'll do that. Here's a picture of the old cushion remounted with double sided tape to measure,

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and and one of the manufacturer's label. (no luck researching that)

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Thanks. I'll do that. Here's a picture of the old cushion remounted with double sided tape to measure,

View attachment 762768 and and one of the manufacturer's label. (no luck researching that)

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Now hold on a minute. You at first said the cushions were at 1 1/2" nose height, but looking at your ruler in this picture posted, I'm seeing 1 3/8"ths nose height, which is just about 62.5% of the ball height, which would be in the correct nose height zone for those rails. But I do recognize those cushions and they're garbage! So, if your readings are correct, then yes, do use K66 cushions to replace the ones on those rails, they'll play right. So forget the K55 cushions! It's hard to make a determination about your rails, or any other rails unless I have them in hand and can measure them myself, but according to that roller picture you posted, stay with K66.
 
Not sure if they are original. The mounting surface width of the cushion is 1-3/16 which pretty much matches K66 width.View attachment 762754

And the cushion to cushion dimensions at 46" x 92" exactly match an 8 ft. oversize table. Any thing I could find on K55 cushions shows their mounting surface width to be much wider. "the manufacturer built the rails wrong in the first place" I am starting to believe this. I believe my only option to make it right (within my budget and tooling means) is to extend the mounting surface to use K55 cushions. I have some 2.5 mm thick panelboard I could use to get the width correct for K55 cushions. See drawing. It'll probably change my playing area slightly, but at this point, I'm willing to accept it just to get this done. Sure would be nice if it was possible to find factory dimensioned cross section drawings of the different profiles. Thankfully this forum exists to ask questions and get help.

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1.451 is 1 29/64" nose height, and that's not what I'm reading in your picture with a ruler, I'm seeing 1 3/8"ths there.
 
Now hold on a minute. You at first said the cushions were at 1 1/2" nose height, but looking at your ruler in this picture posted, I'm seeing 1 3/8"ths nose height, which is just about 62.5% of the ball height, which would be in the correct nose height zone for those rails. But I do recognize those cushions and they're garbage! So, if your readings are correct, then yes, do use K66 cushions to replace the ones on those rails, they'll play right. So forget the K55 cushions! It's hard to make a determination about your rails, or any other rails unless I have them in hand and can measure them myself, but according to that roller picture you posted, stay with K66.
The picture I posted with the 1-3/8 measurement is after trimming the cloth to get the rail to sit flat.
 
The picture I posted with the 1-3/8 measurement is after trimming the cloth to get the rail to sit flat.
Also. Thank you!! (for your continued help) I was just going order some K55 cushions today and start extending the rails. I'm glad you recognized the garbage rails. I appreciate all the advice you've given me.
 
K55 would be at 1 1/4'' with your rails, check this picture and your measurements 1 11/16'' at 23.5 degrees are probably wrong, K66 at these measurements would be at a bit more than 1 1/2''

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Here's a picture with a few 6 inch rulers. Rail is bolted to table. Rail height is 1-11/16.
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And another, (kinda blurry)
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Distance to point 1.42-1.93=.49 width of taper. From 1st picture 1-11/16-9/16=1-1/8 (1.125) height of taper. .49/1.125=.4355 The inverse tangent of that gives a rail angle of about 23.535 degrees.
 
Here's a picture with a few 6 inch rulers. Rail is bolted to table. Rail height is 1-11/16.View attachment 762897
And another, (kinda blurry)View attachment 762898
Distance to point 1.42-1.93=.49 width of taper. From 1st picture 1-11/16-9/16=1-1/8 (1.125) height of taper. .49/1.125=.4355 The inverse tangent of that gives a rail angle of about 23.535 degrees.
I don't trust your rules set-up concerning the angle =/- 2 degrees is just a bit, I just don't trust it. But anyway it seem that you need K-66, K-55 would be too much high.
 
I don't trust your rules set-up concerning the angle =/- 2 degrees is just a bit, I just don't trust it. But anyway it seem that you need K-66, K-55 would be too much high.
Did you see my previous post about having the rail inspected with a CMM at work? My ruler measurements are very close to what the CMM at work showed.
 
Did you see my previous post about having the rail inspected with a CMM at work? My ruler measurements are very close to what the CMM at work showed.
I deleted my message, I was wrong, K66 are 1/8 approx. higher than K55 and if your measure are good you would need K55, like I said higher with a piece of K55 that would be easy to figure that, Good Luck!
 
The picture I posted with the 1-3/8 measurement is after trimming the cloth to get the rail to sit flat.
The Cloth under the rails can't effect the nose height by more than the thickness of the cloth itself, a out 1/32" of an inch.
 
No, K55 nose height sits lower than K66 on the same bevel.
What's throwing me off is if the rail is 1 11/16" thick, and the subrail bevel is 23.5 degrees, K66 cushions should have a nose height of just slightly over 1 1/2" whereas K55 would be sitting around 1 27/64"ths. The picture with the cushion and ruler showing a nose height of 1 3/8" tells me the subrail bevel is wrong, not at 23.5 degrees, but actually less, like around 20.5 degrees.
 
What's throwing me off is if the rail is 1 11/16" thick, and the subrail bevel is 23.5 degrees, K66 cushions should have a nose height of just slightly over 1 1/2" whereas K55 would be sitting around 1 27/64"ths. The picture with the cushion and ruler showing a nose height of 1 3/8" tells me the subrail bevel is wrong, not at 23.5 degrees, but actually less, like around 20.5 degrees.
Yes, it's that I though, the way he measure the angle by trigonometry is not as accurate as a good angle finder, but what's the real profil cushion that he have now...??
 
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