Mad?

14.1 & Sputnick, I agree wholeheartedly.
Plato, I believe that's what I said in the
1st place.
DannyD, Huh?
 
There certainly is a lot of evidence that some of these posters do not have comprehensive reading skills. Read before you write Plato.
 
Plato_17 said:
The game either gets cleaned up, or it stays in the smoke filled back rooms where it is now. Gamblers, druggies have ruined the game, and the adolation of these two subculture criminal types should be stopped. Yes people who buy and use illegal drugs, or who gamble, break laws and are criminals. Do not try and dance around that one please, that one is a given. :p
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I agree. If this game has no integrity and some set moral standards, it's not going anywhere.
 
I have consistently saying about the same thing but about tournaments only. You can't control what happens on a daily basis in every pool hall or bar but you can control what happens in a tournament. There should be strict rules and those rules should be strictly enforced. I've seen pool tournaments where people are actively and obviously booking bets on the matches before and during the match. This is rediculous!

I don't have a problem with Tony Annigoni's idea of betting online but betting at the tournament while the matches are being played is not going to provide a good image for this game. That whole scene in "The Color of Money" where Vincent throws the game against Eddie to make money summarizes what I said above. This enforces the poor stereotype pool has in the minds of the general public.
 
Rickw said:
I don't have a problem with Tony Annigoni's idea of betting online but betting at the tournament while the matches are being played is not going to provide a good image for this game.
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Yup, yup, yup!

Example: Rank 1 vs Rank nth. Score 6-2, race 7. Online odds= 1:6.

Why win the game... and the tournament when the player can put all his money (through an accomplice with a cellphone) on an online bet. He's going to go home with more money than the tournament winner. No tax, no doleouts.

I'm with you here 101%, Rickw.
 
Plato_17 said:


Every player in every tournament should have to agree to go into a back room right after a match and submit to a drug and alcohol test. To be fair, you test everyone, nobody knows when it would be called. If the winner flukes, strip him of everything, money and title. Drunks and druggies must be ran out of the game or the game stays where it is, dead. They ought to run in the cops during the event with drug sniffing dogs, watch every one run to the john to flush down their drugs. Some of these events are drug selling conventions. Go to the event and stock up on the good stulff.

You fans that make drunks or druggies your fan favorite, are also responsible for pool's demise. Most of you who do think a drunk or druggie is cool and he is your hero, it's a good bet, you are just like him.

The game either gets cleaned up, or it stays in the smoke filled back rooms where it is now. Gamblers, druggies have ruined the game, and the adolation of these two subculture criminal types should be stopped. Yes people who buy and use illegal drugs, or who gamble, break laws and are criminals. Do not try and dance around that one please, that one is a given. :p
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Pool is what it is because of what it was. If your so unhappy about the state of the game, why do you love it? Wouldn't you be happier with golf? I mean asking for these big dramatic changes would be like asking a girl to marry you, but insisting she get implants and lipo-suction first (I know there are some wheels turning in some brains out there right now). Go ahead and marry her, work on the diet a little, get her into exercise. Reward her weight loss with the new boobs after a couple of years. Youll all be happier that way.
 
Plato-17, why be so judgemental. I personally have almost drank and druged my-self to death. I live a clean and sober life today thru self-realization. Drugs and alcohol are just bandaids we put on our old wounds. It's like giving a guy with a broken arm a shot of morphine instead of resetting his arm. I still believe everybody is right where they are sopposed to be, learning exactaly what they are supposed to be learning, exactaly when they are supposed to learn it. If we got rid of everybody who drank or used drugs sometime in their life, you wouldn't have anybody to read your self-rightous posts. I am glad you grew up in a nice cozy, loving, and caring environment. Please just don't judge those of us who grew up in abusive, unloving, horrible circumstances that self medicated until we found the truth on our own. How about we try praying for the unconcious human beings on the planet. You do know Keith was orphaned and most likely suffered a great deal of abuse in his lifetime. He grew up in the pool halls. What kind of environment do you think that was back then. I hope all human beings "GET IT" one day. They were meant to. Any other road, except the road to enlightenment and self-realization, is a dead end. You should know that.
God Bless, Don P.
 
Plato_17 said:
What is so earth shattering about not allowing tourney players on the floor with a beer in their hand or stoned on coke. Golfers cant play that way, so why does pool permit it, some of the people who promote these things are a part of this culture, that is why.:cool:
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What is with the 'holier than thou' attitude'? i do not drink either, but most people do. Things are what they are. If you dont like it, work to change it. Complaining without action IMO is not kool.:rolleyes:

Laura
 
Rickw said:
Hondo, Dude, don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel! Pool is just a game and certainly does not define a man, imho. Someone that puts their life on the line for what they believe, that's a man. Zim is a man. I'm a man because I proved it already countless times but not on a pool table.

I'll play anyone on this planet in a game of pool. If I lose, no big deal. Am I going to bet my mortgage? Hell no! Am I going to weep because someone beats me? Hell no!! If I get hustled, it's boo hoo on me not the hustler. Do I like hustlers? Hell no!!!

Is this a man-enough answer for you?
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You sir, are the exact opposite of a nit. If what you say is true to your life, I wish there were more players like you.
 
Pro-player,

I think that's a compliment you just gave me. Thanks! My answer came from the gut. I don't know exactly why but Hondo's post just hit a nerve. I really don't think he meant it the way I read it though. He's cool!
 
What is so earth shattering about not allowing tourney players on the floor with a beer in their hand or stoned on coke. Golfers cant play that way, so why does pool permit it, some of the people who promote these things are a part of this culture, that is why.

Plato,

Not to argue a petty point, but John Daily has admitted to playing many tournaments with Vodka and OJ in a water bottle in his Golf Bag.
 
Plato, I never said Keith had a beer in his hand at the US Open. He was here in Virginia, playing in a local tournament. Falcon Cue sponsered Planet Nine Ball. He defeated Francisco Bustamonte in the final. The field was full of top notch players due to the ESPN seven ball challange that week. Keith alwasy plays in their tournaments as does J. Henson. Keith just won another one with Hosea Praica(spelling). The big boys thought they could just blow in and take the $1,000 on the weekend while they were in town. NOT!!!! Hosea was playing the owner of the hall 15 to 2 in one hole. Kept breaking and running out, however, when he gave Big Jerry the 6 and out, he lost. It was great watching players of that caliber.
God Bless, Don P.
 
14.1 said:
[BPlato,
Not to argue a petty point, but John Daily has admitted to playing many tournaments with Vodka and OJ in a water bottle in his Golf Bag. [/B]
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The difference being John Daily wasn't drinking from a brown paper bag or obvious container of alcohol. I don't care what players do in their local pool rooms but I do think there should be some standard at tournaments. At the same time, I hate those picky little rules such as you must pocket the 9 ball even if it's a gimme! If I tell a player it's good, then by God it's good! They go crazy with some of these stupid rules and then don't say anything when someone is acting up until it gets way out of hand. For instance, a player was drunk up at the Sands in Reno one year and no one said anything until this guy assaulted the security guards. If I was the Sands Hotel, I would have told the tournament director to find another place to have tournaments. Oh Hell! you got me going 14.1!
 
Sir, this is total bs, Willie Hoppe and Minnesota Fats both grew up in pool halls and neither went to school, neither drank or smoked, you state a false argument just to support a flawed life style.
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Plato,

There are alot of reasons why pro golf is bigger than pro billiards, but your kidding yourself if you think billiards has been killied by drugs and druggies. Every major sport in the world has a serious drug problem, and the only sport that is threatened because of it is the sport that has taken the toughest stance against it, European Road Cycling. The lesson here is that if you want your sport to thrive, ignore the problem and keep the sponsors happy. Case in point, Daly wasn't suspended because he was caught drinking, he was suspended because he kept picking up and walking out of tournaments and fighting with old men in the gallery, not to mention the occasional right hook he gave his wife. The PGA would have been more than happy to put up with a happy, well behaved drunk that hit monster drives, and they would have let him have whatever he wanted in his bottle. I won't even go into the Beta blockers these golfers take to help calm the yips.
 
Plato,

I shouldn't have singled you out in my reply, because thoughts similar to yours have been expressed here and elsewhere. My point is that drug and alcohol abuse is rampant in the sports you envy as successes, and their governing bodies avert their eyes in order to appease the corporate sponsors. These sports thrive in spite of, or maybe because of, the fact that they ignore drug use. Do we really want billiards to be successful when measured against this criteria? Booze and Cocaine are bad enough, but most "successfull" sports are dealing with drugs that enhance performance and give one competitor an unfair advantage over another. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.
 
Plato-17,
My friend, it seems you missed the point. Go back and read my post. Maybe you will understand. Please don,t use the word SIR with me that way. It is derogatory. I will always treat you with the Dignity and Respect that all human beings deserve. You might want to try it. That includes Keith. There are no exceptions. God loves us all man, unconditionally. He wants us all to get it. Pool is not life, it's a game. Life, and the lessons we learn from it, are what it's all about. I could quote you from the Book too, however, I would rather quote what is written in my heart. I know the MAN, and I love him, and he loves me. This I know is true. HE also loves you and Keith.
God Bless You Plato, Don P.
 
Plato_17 said:
My mission for coming on this board has now been accomplished and I will be leaving the board soon. I would like to leave on a postive note if possible. I doubt that will be possible.:D
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Of course, it's possible, Plato_17. But what name will you choose for your next handle down there in Athens, Georgia? I would suggest "Nero." He was the fifth of Roman emperors, and this could be your fifth handle.

Will 8 Ball Ho and Danny D be leaving the board soon, too?

ManlyShot
 
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