Maker ID and value question on some older cues

DWoods6354

DWoods6354

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Hello all and happy New Year! I'm considering trading or selling some unused equipment and could really use some help on what I have - and what it's approximate value might be. Pics attached. Thanks in advance for your ideas. Not sure if I want to sell or trade the lot, piece it out, or what. It's not eating anything - so upkeep is easy, but maybe it's time to downsize a bit.

1) Odom sneaky, two shafts, both pretty straight - neither perfect. Very playable.
2) McDermott D21 - two OB1 shafts that do not match the ringwork (one break shaft one playing shaft)
3) Huebler 4 point 4 veneer, with the logo missing. Pretty sure it's a Heubler - but would like opinions.
4) Unkonwn cue - fat butt. Ferrule looks like stabilized horn of some type. Logo appears to be a RF4. Wrapless with pretty rosewood and nice maple. Has a cracked ivorine type or micarta joint. Great project for a wrapless build.
5) Supposedly an early Merucci Sneakey pete. Has a flat screw weigh bolt. The butt is heavy and in great condition. One shaft with a longer than normal ferrule. Old man I got it from swore it was a Meucci from the late 80.s
6) Manilla Cue. Hits nice and is straight. Don't know much about it... but it's pretty. One shaft
7) Its George butt. Could use a refinish - but I kind of like it as is. Two shafts that play great but neither is original or matches the butt.
8) Its George matching case. No pockets.

I would like to end up with a nice 4-point 4-veneer classic cue. Orange and Green veneer RB, JW or TS. Tad or Runde / R-series Schon (sharp point) or any other master cue maker is what I really want - but I'm open minded. I like forward weight, and a heavier cue. Would also entertain other toys, a nice guitar or outdoor sporting items (through an FFL). Can adjust some if needed

I am politely asking advice on how to get there - and the approximate value of what I have. Can anyone verify the Meucci sneaky, Hebler or know what the RF4 cue might be? Value ideas on the lot (individual or as a package)?

I'll send specs if and when I post in the for-sale section and thank you in advance for your guidance and advice.

Cheers
 

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Professional appraisers charge several hundred an hour for their work. For me to give you an in-depth evaluation on all of these cues - the proper research , and adding my 25+ years of cue collecting experience - you are asking a lot - someone here may pony up for free - but it is a big ask. In most collecting worlds - without a fee for all of this - they would tell you to do your own research.
 
mikemosconi said:
Professional appraisers charge several hundred an hour for their work. For me to give you an in-depth evaluation on all of these cues - the proper research , and adding my 25+ years of cue collecting experience - you are asking a lot - someone here may pony up for free - but it is a big ask. In most collecting worlds - without a fee for all of this - they would tell you to do your own research.
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I’m not sure what several hundred an hour is? $300……$800?
Give me one example of a professional cue appraiser you know and the rate.

Thanks!
 
I can maybe help you with the Huebler. Pretty sure it's an H11. If the logo is gone it's probably been refinished. If it's clean and straight, I would say you'd be looking at that $400 range for that, give or take.
 
9ballrob said:
I’m not sure what several hundred an hour is? $300……$800?
Give me one example of a professional cue appraiser you know and the rate.

Thanks!
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never heard of one myself. if enough az'rs see this he'll get pretty close estimates. that meucci sp, if it is in fact a Mooch, is worth a couple hundred maybe. the filipino cue isn't worth much. they don't hold value well and are known to warp. if its straight maybe 2-250.
 
garczar said:
never heard of one myself. if enough az'rs see this he'll get pretty close estimates. that meucci sp, if it is in fact a Mooch, is worth a couple hundred maybe. the filipino cue isn't worth much. they don't hold value well and are known to warp. if its straight maybe 2-250.
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Agreed. Looking at that shaft with the long ferrule and looks like a 5/16 x 18 pin, I'm thinking it is an old Meucci sneaky.
 
garczar said:
never heard of one myself. if enough az'rs see this he'll get pretty close estimates. that meucci sp, if it is in fact a Mooch, is worth a couple hundred maybe. the filipino cue isn't worth much. they don't hold value well and are known to warp. if its straight maybe 2-250.
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I have NO problem with a cue expert charging an hourly rate…….in my 35 years in the business…..I just haven’t heard an hourly rate quoted.
 
Guys are charging $150 hour for lessons - $125 hour for a detailed multi cue evaluation, research, and approx. present market value is not unreasonable by today’s standards- why should this be free when everyone else in every collectible category is charging now?
 
mikemosconi said:
Guys are charging $150 hour for lessons - $125 hour for a detailed multi cue evaluation, research, and approx. present market value is not unreasonable by today’s standards- why should this be free when everyone else in every collectible category is charging now?
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My post above yours clearly states I have NO problem with anyone charging for their expertise. I was just looking for a more accurate $$ figure….thanks for clarifying.
 
9ballrob said:
My post above yours clearly states I have NO problem with anyone charging for their expertise. I was just looking for a more accurate $$ figure….thanks for clarifying.
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I do one off market quotes on here all the time for free IF I can see very clearly what I am evaluating . A whole cache of cues like this - condition in photos is unclear, straightness is not defined, actual maker is very unclear by these photos on several of these cues - I see people “guessing” in above posts and I disagree with some of the valuations presented- not saying that I am correct- but you get what you pay for - a whole group like this needs an in person true evaluation in my estimation - he could be leaving several hundred on the table with these above mentioned guesstamites…

You want an example: a D21 in excellent original condition - perfectly straight- with two OB shafts could easily get a few hundred higher than the quote here - in my opinion. That alone is enough to justify a correct appraisal.

I'll add more to this--- E bay is taking 15% just to list and sell your cue, you can use their "research" if you desire. Cue " consigners" are asking 30 to 40 % of the final selling price to value, photo, and list your cue on their sites. Some cue makers are asking many hundreds to evaluate higher end single cues, some guys are advertising " brokering" and escrow cue services at $150 PER CUE! So $125 an hour to research and evaluate a whole cache of cues seems like a bargain to me.
 
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StrokeofLuck said:
I can maybe help you with the Huebler. Pretty sure it's an H11. If the logo is gone it's probably been refinished. If it's clean and straight, I would say you'd be looking at that $400 range for that, give or take.
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It is an H-11, I have one. Some of them just have the vertical logo worn off from regular wear. Some I have seen were not stamped all that deep.
They show up on Ebay once in a while. You can check completed auctions to see if there were any listed recently and what they sold for. That is true for any cue that you know what make it is. It gives you a rough idea of value anyway.
 
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9ballrob said:
I’m not sure what several hundred an hour is? $300……$800?
Give me one example of a professional cue appraiser you know and the rate.

Thanks!
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If he spent 2hrs, you'd be better off giving them away, not much $$ here and certainly not worth a "cue evaluator" looking at them

Put them on ebay, you'll know exactly what they're worth 🤷‍♂️
 
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