MAQ 4 Shaft Radial Consistency

[Patrick Johnson]

RRfireblade
Take anything x shaped and bend it and it will collapse in the V's. Basic engineering.

Me:
This shaft isn't x shaped. Basic shape recognition.

poolplayer1988:
It seems X shaped or + shaped, depending on the orientation of the shaft, right?[/QUOTE]

Having internal glued faces that form an x doesn't make it "x shaped". X shaped things are weaker in the x direction than in the + direction only when the spaces between the ribs are empty (they fail because the ribs can fold). In a shaft, it's the spaces between the ribs (the wood) that provide the strength, not the ribs themselves (the glue).

pj
chgo

 

[RRfireblade]

RRfireblade
Take anything x shaped and bend it and it will collapse in the V's. Basic engineering.

Me:
This shaft isn't x shaped. Basic shape recognition.

poolplayer1988:
It seems X shaped or + shaped, depending on the orientation of the shaft, right?

Having internal glued faces that form an x doesn't make it "x shaped". X shaped things are weaker in the x direction than in the + direction only when the spaces between the ribs are empty (they fail because the ribs can fold). In a shaft, it's the spaces between the ribs (the wood) that provide the strength, not the ribs themselves (the glue).

pj
chgo

Simple not true.

While it does help the overall structures integrity (especially opposed to spaces which were used as an exageration of point) , it doesn't change the fact the structure will be stronger when forces directly oppose the lateral lams than when they oppose them at 45* angles regardless of in the whole.

If your arguement was true then Black/Red dots would have no variance regardless of orientation.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...the structure will be stronger when forces directly oppose the lateral lams than when they oppose them at 45* angles regardless of in the whole.

What "forces" are you talking about? The glued faces? How do they add strength? How is one vertical and one horizontal stronger than two at 45 degrees? How does a vertical glue face "directly oppose" laminations that are at 90 degrees to each other?

pj
chgo

 

[Craig Fales]

here is a test conducted by a cue maker (Annie O) who recently passed away with some amazing result. She really was the creator of this shaft and I am carrying on her idea.

I knew I'd seen that somewhere before but couldn't put my finger on it...

 

[champ2107]

My new shaft the MAQ 4 is one of the most innovative products on the market today. The MAQ 4 incorporates 4 quadrants of 18 layers of flat maple, each at a right angle to the first. It has very low deflection, the most consistent, high tech, greatest preforming cue shaft in the world today. Less deflection with increased power and control as a bonus. Come see it at booth 20 & 21 at the Super Billiard Expo at Babys Pro shop. I will have MAQ 4 shafts for my cues and blanks ready to make for your joint pin style.

It looks like a black dot/predator with an ob-1 twist kinda mixed all together. I notice there is no ob1 or 2 seriers from pred on that test, old test?
layers/pie shaped/twist

 

[RRfireblade]

What "forces" are you talking about? The glued faces? How do they add strength? How is one vertical and one horizontal stronger than two at 45 degrees? How does a vertical glue face "directly oppose" laminations that are at 90 degrees to each other?

pj
chgo

Look , it's not really debatable. Engineered lumber/wood and laminations of all kinds have been in use for many many years now. The principles are well tested and established. They are all based in the internal structure of the laminations. In fact , in my field we even use heat treating and chryogenic processing to 'align' molecular structures in metals to achieve similar principles. The simple fact is the layup of the lamination in question will not have "perfect" radial consistancy, if you choose to believe otherwise then that's fine too. I'll go ahead and add another IMO if it helps you sleep better.

 

[DaveK]

here is a test conducted by a cue maker (Annie O) who recently passed away with some amazing result. She really was the creator of this shaft and I am carrying on her idea.

I would love to see more information about the testing, the method, how results were gathered, and the machine that stroked the cues.

Dave

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Look , it's not really debatable.

Not if you're unwilling to explain your assertions with any detail. Of course, then it's also weightless.

No big deal, though - it's not of much concern to me one way or another.

pj
chgo

 

[RRfireblade]

I've explained my assertions , they are that the verticle sections of the lamination , what appears as the "+" in the cross section , will carry more stresses than the sections that lay 45* to the same forces. The glue joints are not the variable in the layup but rather a constant (more or less).

No big deal, though - it's not of much concern to me one way or another.

pj
chgo

We agree there.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I've explained my assertions , they are that the verticle sections of the lamination , what appears as the "+" in the cross section , will carry more stresses than the sections that lay 45* to the same forces. The glue joints are not the variable in the layup but rather a constant (more or less).



We agree there.

Thread the collar end of that shaft.
Pin it with the pin free to rotate ( sleeved inside a bearing ) ,
pull the tip down with the tip also inside a bearing.
Let's see if it doesn't spin to one point of the cylinder consistently.

 

[RRfireblade]

I have full capability to test it if anyone cared to.

I have actually done some similar layups years ago for some military/Airforce R&D I was working on. CF shafts being used for nose mounted Radar or Trans units IIRC. They had to be cored and not be solid to allow for the insert of electronic components. I simple tube would not hold up of course so internal structure was required.

Now I'm not saying that this is a 'poor' design , it may be more than consistant enough for a pool cue shaft but then again I was not the one toting it as radial perfection either.

 

[buddha162]

I mean no disrespect too you Mike, but can I ask how you came to this conclusion that its the greatest performing cue shaft in the world today? Im in sales If u dont like the post I will delete it...

Why on earth would you delete your post if Mike doesn't like it?

-roger

 

[champ2107]

Why on earth would you delete your post if Mike doesn't like it?

-roger

Well I dont want to affect someones means of making a living in a negative way. Even though he may or may not be exaggerating a bit too make a sale or two or more. Thats it, no biggie, opportunity is there for him.

Mike