Matchroom WNT 2025 - Problems and progress

jbart65

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The hallmark of any truly successful pro league, or tournament-based sports like tennis and golf, is a predictable schedule. In that regard, Matchroom is still a big failure.

The 2025 season has been especially bad, with events being announced very late or not at all. In some cases players had no more than a month's notice.

As a result, some big names had to miss big events because of prior commitments. No SVB, Gorst or FSR at the UK Open, for instance. The delays can also cause visa problems, especially for players in Asia.

Part of the problem is the tour is still in its infancy. It takes time to build partners, obtain locations and lock in predictable dates. I get it. Predator and other event organizers aren't much better at this, either.

The WNT-WPA spat was another major drawback this year, especially while negotiations were going on. It appeared to freeze things in place.

Fortunately the budding civil war in pro pool is now over. It's time for MR to focus on creating a more predictable schedule and predictable events that players are informed of well in advance.

It will take more time, but we have seen some major progress this year.

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First the good news. The WNT has created two new majors that stand a good chance of becoming permanent.

The Florida Open, in August, is an effort by MR to follow up on last year's wildly successful Mosconi Cup in Orlando. MR is trying to find more places like Hanoi that have the atmosphere to suit a big major.

The Mosconi was the most electric U.S. crowd I've ever seen for a pro pool event. If the Florida Open can duplicate just half of the buzz, it would be a big success.

The just-announced Philippines Open, a new major in late October, appears to be a similar attempt to find the next Hanoi or something like it. Let's hope.

MR clearly needed another big event in Asia. The Philippines is the natural choice given its pool history. Asia seems to be where pool is most popular. Its player pool might be the strongest. And it's where the sport has a bigger chance to break into the mainstream.

As it now stands, MR has seven major tournaments. The UK and European opens. The Florida and US opens. The Hanoi and Philippines opens. And the World Pool Championships.

Not only that, but the top prizes have been increasing. All the majors pay at least $40,000 to the winner, the US Open will pay out $100,000 and the WPC hands out $250,000.

Is that enough majors? Too many?

I think MR will ultimately aim for between seven and nine major events in one year. China is still the forbidden fruit. The huge and tantalizing US market might be able to handle another big event in a state like Texas. Europe is also big enough for another major, as the 2023 Spanish Open indicated.

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A bigger schedule of majors, however, presents the problem of what to do about invitational events.

The Mosconi is untouchable, but given the lack of competitiveness, MR was astute to create the Reyes Cup. The Reyes Cup taps into a Filipino market that seems very undeveloped from a pro standpoint. It also creates what is likely to be a much more competitive event that could prove to be quite lucrative to MR over time.

Both the Mosconi and Reyes also create a situation similar to NASCAR in which players build up points to some noteworthy end. It's a nice guaranteed payday for players and a chance to boost sponsorships.

That leaves the World Cup of Pool, the Premier League of Pool and the World Pool Masters.

The big question is, does MR need any or all of these events anymore? The schedule is getting tighter and these events may not be all the lucrative. Why keep them going?

I like the WCP the best, but the WPM has the deepest history. The Premier League is great for junkies, but the format doesn't seem suited to a mainstream audience.

The WCP is about to be postponed for the second year in a row. The event was established in 2006, and before last year, it had only been skipped in 2016 and the pandemic year of 2020. MR has to make a decision soon on whether this event is still viable.

The World Pool Masters dates to 1993 and has only been skipped in 2016 - what happened that year? - and 2020.

The PLP is a baby by comparison, started in 2021 with the help of ... Predator! MR seems to like the event as a way to show off new talent, but it's a grind of an affair with a very quiet atmosphere.

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Lurking behind all this, is the nascent WNT.TV. It could end up being a huge decision-driver for the WNT. The channel has the chance to be a big moneymaker for Matchroom, but only if it has enough live and reviewable content on a regular basis. Right now it doesn't.

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Whatever MR decides, it's time to start deciding. And it's time to start organizing the calendar earlier if a successful worldwide tour is to take root.
 
The hallmark of any truly successful pro league, or tournament-based sports like tennis and golf, is a predictable schedule. In that regard, Matchroom is still a big failure.

The 2025 season has been especially bad, with events being announced very late or not at all. In some cases players had no more than a month's notice.

As a result, some big names had to miss big events because of prior commitments. No SVB, Gorst or FSR at the UK Open, for instance. The delays can also cause visa problems, especially for players in Asia.

Part of the problem is the tour is still in its infancy. It takes time to build partners, obtain locations and lock in predictable dates. I get it. Predator and other event organizers aren't much better at this, either.

The WNT-WPA spat was another major drawback this year, especially while negotiations were going on. It appeared to freeze things in place.

Fortunately the budding civil war in pro pool is now over. It's time for MR to focus on creating a more predictable schedule and predictable events that players are informed of well in advance.

It will take more time, but we have seen some major progress this year.

***

First the good news. The WNT has created two new majors that stand a good chance of becoming permanent.

The Florida Open, in August, is an effort by MR to follow up on last year's wildly successful Mosconi Cup in Orlando. MR is trying to find more places like Hanoi that have the atmosphere to suit a big major.

The Mosconi was the most electric U.S. crowd I've ever seen for a pro pool event. If the Florida Open can duplicate just half of the buzz, it would be a big success.

The just-announced Philippines Open, a new major in late October, appears to be a similar attempt to find the next Hanoi or something like it. Let's hope.

MR clearly needed another big event in Asia. The Philippines is the natural choice given its pool history. Asia seems to be where pool is most popular. Its player pool might be the strongest. And it's where the sport has a bigger chance to break into the mainstream.

As it now stands, MR has seven major tournaments. The UK and European opens. The Florida and US opens. The Hanoi and Philippines opens. And the World Pool Championships.

Not only that, but the top prizes have been increasing. All the majors pay at least $40,000 to the winner, the US Open will pay out $100,000 and the WPC hands out $250,000.

Is that enough majors? Too many?

I think MR will ultimately aim for between seven and nine major events in one year. China is still the forbidden fruit. The huge and tantalizing US market might be able to handle another big event in a state like Texas. Europe is also big enough for another major, as the 2023 Spanish Open indicated.

***

A bigger schedule of majors, however, presents the problem of what to do about invitational events.

The Mosconi is untouchable, but given the lack of competitiveness, MR was astute to create the Reyes Cup. The Reyes Cup taps into a Filipino market that seems very undeveloped from a pro standpoint. It also creates what is likely to be a much more competitive event that could prove to be quite lucrative to MR over time.

Both the Mosconi and Reyes also create a situation similar to NASCAR in which players build up points to some noteworthy end. It's a nice guaranteed payday for players and a chance to boost sponsorships.

That leaves the World Cup of Pool, the Premier League of Pool and the World Pool Masters.

The big question is, does MR need any or all of these events anymore? The schedule is getting tighter and these events may not be all the lucrative. Why keep them going?

I like the WCP the best, but the WPM has the deepest history. The Premier League is great for junkies, but the format doesn't seem suited to a mainstream audience.

The WCP is about to be postponed for the second year in a row. The event was established in 2006, and before last year, it had only been skipped in 2016 and the pandemic year of 2020. MR has to make a decision soon on whether this event is still viable.

The World Pool Masters dates to 1993 and has only been skipped in 2016 - what happened that year? - and 2020.

The PLP is a baby by comparison, started in 2021 with the help of ... Predator! MR seems to like the event as a way to show off new talent, but it's a grind of an affair with a very quiet atmosphere.

***
Lurking behind all this, is the nascent WNT.TV. It could end up being a huge decision-driver for the WNT. The channel has the chance to be a big moneymaker for Matchroom, but only if it has enough live and reviewable content on a regular basis. Right now it doesn't.

***

Whatever MR decides, it's time to start deciding. And it's time to start organizing the calendar earlier if a successful worldwide tour is to take root.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long bro. No clue what all that actually said.
 
OK, here is the one-line summary for those with short attention spans: Matchroom is making WNT bigger and more lucrative, but the tour needs a predictable schedule to succeed commercially.

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Not everything can be Twitter length. You have made clear you don't like long posts, Garczar. Clearly the post is not meant for you. With all due respect - and I mean that - I don't see why you feel the need to use your limited time to keep repeating it. I get it, and I got it a long time ago.
 
OK, here is the one-line summary for those with short attention spans: Matchroom is making WNT bigger and more lucrative, but the tour needs a predictable schedule to succeed commercially.

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Not everything can be Twitter length. You have made clear you don't like long posts, Garczar. Clearly the post is not meant for you. With all due respect - and I mean that - I don't see why you feel the need to use your limited time to keep repeating it. I get it, and I got it a long time ago.
Nobody reads these novellas. Keep strokin your own ego pal. Your shit isn't that informative. Believe me.
 
get rid of the PLP. it's grueling and nothing like the pressure you get in the WCoP or the masters. PLP is just for the bookies and betting degenerates (yes, i bet myself occasionally but don't need 20 matches/day).

if philippines open is replacing spanish open i'm more than fine with that. of all the places in the world, philippines is maybe the most obvious destination for a major. i'm sure it will be better than UK and european open in terms of fan engagement.

i don't think MR needs many more majors of their own, but it would be good for the game if for example china open were part of the rankings. big money there and many points to rake in. hopefully some of the other non-MR WNT events will bump up their prize money too.
 
I agree with the previous post, get rid of the PLP. That just takes too much time and it's boring.

I honestly do not get the fascination with putting another so called major in the US right now. If anything, they should have put it in Canada or even Mexico, just to stir the pot and to get an idea of how a pro level pool tournament can be in those countries.

Of course, Asia is the pot of gold and I'm sure they will hope for a turnout like the Hanoi open in the Philippines.
 
I agree with the previous post, get rid of the PLP. That just takes too much time and it's boring.

I honestly do not get the fascination with putting another so called major in the US right now. If anything, they should have put it in Canada or even Mexico, just to stir the pot and to get an idea of how a pro level pool tournament can be in those countries.

Of course, Asia is the pot of gold and I'm sure they will hope for a turnout like the Hanoi open in the Philippines.
The Mosconi experience in Orlando begged the creation of the Florida Open to see if the South is truly a gateway to pro pool in the U.S. The U.S. market, and potential money involved, is just too hard to ignore.

MR won't keep the event if it proves to be a dud. It will have to experiment a bit.
 
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I agree with the previous post, get rid of the PLP. That just takes too much time and it's boring.

I honestly do not get the fascination with putting another so called major in the US right now. If anything, they should have put it in Canada or even Mexico, just to stir the pot and to get an idea of how a pro level pool tournament can be in those countries.

Of course, Asia is the pot of gold and I'm sure they will hope for a turnout like the Hanoi open in the Philippines.

i would think there are different logistics when it comes to places like philippines and mexico...other stuff to navigate for an outside promoter than in canada or EU.
 
i would think there are different logistics when it comes to places like philippines and mexico...other stuff to navigate for an outside promoter than in canada or EU.
Relatively stable govt, player safety and lack of corruption among them. Philippines appears to satisfy the first two conditions.
 
I think they call too many tournaments “Majors”. It definitely detracts from some of the prestige a little bit when you have 7+ per year. I’d shoot for maybe 4 or 5 a year similar to sports like golf and tennis.
 
There's a lot of truth in the original post, but I'm inclined to give Matchroom a pass for 2025, because it began in complete disarray and it made it difficult to plan things for Matchroom. Regardless, they continue to add a lot of WNT ranking events all over the world and that is a big positive. The also added a major in America called the Florida Open, and that's a big deal to this fan.

In 2024, Matchroom announced both its roster of players under contract and its tournament schedule early in the year. This was ideal for both players and fans alike. The continuity was largely maintained and when some opted to skip Hanoi because they knew it would result in a WPA-imposed ban, Matchroom went on full tilt. That tells me that stability and continuity of their professional offering meant a lot to them, but there's little evidence they feel this way in 2025. Again, I give them a pass because the political landscape was so murky entering the year.

Suddenly things are pretty confusing. For example, I've never seen a roster of WNT players for 2025, and yet, I read in AZB Headline news today that Felix Vogel, with whom I am very familiar, is a WNT pro. When did that happen? Who are the other WNT pros? Attendance of pro players at the Matchroom majors in 2025 has been a big disappointment. Who can we expect to see going forward? It is all very confusing.

The scramble to fill the field at the European Open that included solicitation of all WNT.TV subscribers to play in the event, is something few of us will soon forget.

What happened to the World Pool Masters and the World Cup of Pool? Neither appears on the Matchroom schedule on their site. Perhaps these events have been discontinued, but if so, it has never been announced.

All of this aside, I believe that Matchroom is continuing to grow our sport and are on a very productive course. I just hope that 2026 is less of a mess than 2025. With the rift between WPA and Matchroom now resolved, I am optimistic.
 
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Back in the day MR run the World Pool Championship in Cardiff, it was an anual thing as MR secured the location for a few years.
This is what they should do, find 10 locations world wide and secure them for at least 5 years, run 10 events, one every month and give the palyers 2 months break a year.
That would create a magor tour, with set dates and venues.
Everybodt could plan for it, players, fans, production.
I would keep the mosconi as a gig and keep it attached to two of the above events (once in the UK, once in the USA), this way fans can get two for one and the players won't need to travel twice.
 
I think they call too many tournaments “Majors”. It definitely detracts from some of the prestige a little bit when you have 7+ per year. I’d shoot for maybe 4 or 5 a year similar to sports like golf and tennis.
I don't think it is practical to limit majors to five given how big pool has become globally, especially with so many good players in Asia. Pool can't be limited mainly to the U.S. and Europe.

Tennis and golf don't have many good players from those regions and the majors were set some time ago. I would expect both sports to eventually add a fifth major. Surprised they haven't already given the expansion of most other major global sports in the search for more dollars.

The money isn't big enough, either. Pool players could do well if the prize money for the top 64 were similar to golf and tennis, but they aren't even close.
 
Back in the day MR run the World Pool Championship in Cardiff, it was an anual thing as MR secured the location for a few years.
This is what they should do, find 10 locations world wide and secure them for at least 5 years, run 10 events, one every month and give the palyers 2 months break a year.
That would create a magor tour, with set dates and venues.
Everybodt could plan for it, players, fans, production.
I would keep the mosconi as a gig and keep it attached to two of the above events (once in the UK, once in the USA), this way fans can get two for one and the players won't need to travel twice.
MR needs to stay in a bit of experimental mode for the time being to see what places work. Some locales and tournaments may not work out. Heck, I am not sure the UK Open works, but its the base of Matchroom. Experimenting is how the WNT struck gold with Hanoi.

Some events seem to have found long-term homes. WPC in Saudi, US Open in Atlantic City. Hanoi Open. I think MR is striving for what you suggest in the long run.

MR does have a big break between majors already. There were none from mid-October 2024 to mid-March. But Predator and the WPA have lots off events too. I think players are happy with more events.
 
There's a lot of truth in the original post, but I'm inclined to give Matchroom a pass for 2025, because it began in complete disarray and it made it difficult to plan things for Matchroom. Regardless, they continue to add a lot of WNT ranking events all over the world and that is a big positive. The also added a major in America called the Florida Open, and that's a big deal to this fan.
Agreed.
Suddenly things are pretty confusing. For example, I've never seen a roster of WNT players for 2025, and yet, I read in AZB Headline news today that Felix Vogel, with whom I am very familiar, is a WNT pro.
The list is here. Scroll down. Kind of hidden, but every big name I can think of is on it, including both Fillers. Vogel too.

When did that happen? Who are the other WNT pros? Attendance of pro players at the Matchroom majors in 2025 has been a big disappointment. Who can we expect to see going forward? It is all very confusing.
The European Open had every top player except Fedor and Skyler due to injuries.
The scramble to fill the field at the European Open that included solicitation of all WNT.TV subscribers to play in the event, is something few of us will soon forget.

What happened to the World Pool Masters and the World Cup of Pool? Neither appears on the Matchroom schedule on their site. Perhaps these events have been discontinued, but if so, it has never been announced.
No announcement yet. Part of my complaint.
All of this aside, I believe that Matchroom is continuing to grow our sport and are on a very productive course. I just hope that 2026 is less of a mess than 2025. With the rift between WPA and Matchroom now resolved, I am optimistic.
Same, but there is that Hanoi Open and WPA 8-ball tourney clash in October. Same week for both.

No prize fund listed for the WPA 8-ball event.
 
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