Mcworter or Owens

fish2 said:
Define Custom cue maker and define production cue maker, without factoring the cost of the cue, then decide where McWorter stands....
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I define Production cues as cues that are built on a line, with many people doing different aspects of a cue, and then doing that same exact job over and over again, maybe 50 times a day, for example, lol. Or, maybe 500 times a day, lol. That is how I define a Production cue.

I do not know how many pool cues McWorter builds per year, but I bet it is not anywhere near the amount that the typical Production cue maker builds. Even compared to Schon, for example.

McWorter might only build around 100 cues a year. I do not know though.

And, I bet he has very few helpers, if any. He might be doing all the work by himself. Again, I do not know.

But, that does not sound like a Production cue to me, when all of the work is done by 1 or 2 guys.
 
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vintagecollectibles831 said:
I define Production cues as cues that are built on a line, with many people doing different aspects of a cue, and then doing that same exact job over and over again, maybe 50 times a day, for example, lol. Or, maybe 500 times a day, lol. That is how I define a Production cue.

I do not know how many pool cues McWorter builds per year, but I bet it is not anywhere near the amount that the typical Production cue maker builds. Even compared to Schon, for example.

McWorter might only build around 100 cues a year. I do not know though.

And, I bet he has very few helpers, if any. He might be doing all the work by himself. Again, I do not know.

But, that does not sound like a Production cue to me, when all of the work is done by 1 or 2 guys.
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If you go to McWorters shop and order a cue with your own CUSTOM design, would he do it?
 
fish2 said:
If you go to McWorters shop and order a cue with your own CUSTOM design, would he do it?
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Probably not. He would be putting his name on some shit design someone is paying him to make. Maybe he will. I never asked and was already interested in two of his designs.

If you want someone to make your dream cue then any competent cue builder will do. Of course he has to be good at it too.
 
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Ascue said:
Few builders take calls or even answer emails. Vicki at SW does is very helpful but 19 years behind. Andy Gilbert answers nothing. Mcworter nothing. Drexler answers the phone and will chat with you. A great guy.
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Most of them do not reply to emails either, including Lambros, for example, in my experience.

Edit: I actually did receive some very nice, and helpful replies from McWorter's wife, awhile back.
 
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vintagecollectibles831 said:
He customized his own art, to his own liking, and crafts it to the highest level of perfection. Whatever term you prefer to use with that, is your own opinion, but I personally would not call a McWorter a production cue, lol.
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He is PRODUCING a cue for any customer, he is NOT CUSTOMIZING a cue for a specific customer, do you get the difference?
 
It's not big of a deal because even if you get to just pick a color or wood its a custom.

They don't have every color and wood combo on deck ready to assemble and ship it off. They have to build you know.

So if McWorter puts out a batch of 10 cues same design and you said you want the this type of wood or this color veneers then he builds it.

SW is a prime example of this. You're not calling them and requesting a rainbow butterfly cue.

I think the word custom has a bad connotation but nobody will admit it. It means some customers ugly design.
 
Ive purchased a few cuemaker cues. JJ CUES sell Andy Gilberts. It's not a "custom" but good enough for me. Just a player but that play is outstanding. I have a Drexler on order. I did ask for 12.8 diameter cue shaft. Turquoise or malachite diamonds on a full splice. He offered suggestions and I pretty much went with it. Why wouldn't I? I can't design a cue better than Drexler.
 
I see that a lot of cue makers stopped talking to clients and take orders and just work through dealers, this makes me sick.
Why does the customer have to pay an intermediate fee… where is personal service? What’s so custom about this?
If you just need to go to a dealer and see what they have in stock, then non of it is custom, just overpriced pieces of wood.
 
skor said:
I see that a lot of cue makers stopped talking to clients and take orders and just work through dealers, this makes me sick.
Why does the customer have to pay an intermediate fee… where is personal service? What’s so custom about this?
If you just need to go to a dealer and see what they have in stock, then non of it is custom, just overpriced pieces of wood.
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Every cue is prolly overpriced unless you make cues. I'll say this, when you buy a gilbert, barnhart, pierce, runde, you won't need a cf shaft for it. Their base maple shafts are splended.
 
Ascue said:
Every cue is prolly overpriced unless you make cues. I'll say this, when you buy a gilbert, barnhart, pierce, runde, you won't need a cf shaft for it. Their base maple shafts are splended.
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To be honest, I wish I never gotten all the cues that I have and if I was living in the US, I would have probably sold them all.

If you want to collect something for profit, then there better things than pool cues.
Cues are nice things and I like cues but really all you need is one good player and today, you can get one cheap as this reason to go custom is not valid anymore, you can get cheap cues that will play great.

I recently got a JFlowers cue for league, I wanted something on the cheap side not to worry about playing in a crowded club and I wanted a cue I can attach an extension to.
This cue plays great, just as good if not better than some high end cue.
I upgraded the shaft to SMO and with an 8 inch extension, was still under $1000 for a cue with leather grip and real inlays.

No wood, no matter how splendid it hits, can offer the benefit of CF.
 
Ascue said:
Ive purchased a few cuemaker cues. JJ CUES sell Andy Gilberts. It's not a "custom" but good enough for me. Just a player but that play is outstanding. I have a Drexler on order. I did ask for 12.8 diameter cue shaft. Turquoise or malachite diamonds on a full splice. He offered suggestions and I pretty much went with it. Why wouldn't I? I can't design a cue better than Drexler.
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Very good post and explains the process perfectly.

You're buying the cue maker. I have a friend tell me I should have them make me this -or-that. First of all, it's my cue. Secondly, its going to cost a fortune what he's recommending. Thirdly, that's what the cue maker is known for.
 
skor said:
To be honest, I wish I never gotten all the cues that I have and if I was living in the US, I would have probably sold them all.

If you want to collect something for profit, then there better things than pool cues.
Cues are nice things and I like cues but really all you need is one good player and today, you can get one cheap as this reason to go custom is not valid anymore, you can get cheap cues that will play great.

I recently got a JFlowers cue for league, I wanted something on the cheap side not to worry about playing in a crowded club and I wanted a cue I can attach an extension to.
This cue plays great, just as good if not better than some high end cue.
I upgraded the shaft to SMO and with an 8 inch extension, was still under $1000 for a cue with leather grip and real inlays.

No wood, no matter how splendid it hits, can offer the benefit of CF.
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I wanted to collect cues but found that I always went back to one. I think a player must sell their favorite or their most played cue in order to move on to the next.

It's hard to put it in a closet and move on.
 
billiards_watch said:
I wanted to collect cues but found that I always went back to one. I think a player must sell their favorite or their most played cue in order to move on to the next.

It's hard to put it in a closet and move on.
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My serious playing days are over, I just play for fun, even in league.
So I have no problem switching cues and probably not play my best.

I also have no problems leaving all my old cues in the closet.
But it’s just sitting cash that I wish that I never spent.
You can get a monster player under $1000
And probably a whole playing set for under $2000 including the case.
 
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