Men's Pro Pool vs Women's

[leto1776]

Since I joined this forum last month, I keep seeing threads discussing problems with men's professional pool. It's no secret the men get little to no attention from sponsors and tv coverage,while the women are still shown on ESPN.

So what is it about the women that they get on TV while the men don't? It cant be just summed up by attractiveness, because for every Black Widow there's a Karen Corr. I'll give my reasons,but I wanna see some of your opinions first.

 

[Spimp13]

Since I joined this forum last month, I keep seeing threads discussing problems with men's professional pool. It's no secret the men get little to no attention from sponsors and tv coverage,while the women are still shown on ESPN.

So what is it about the women that they get on TV while the men don't? It cant be just summed up by attractiveness, because for every Black Widow there's a Karen Corr. I'll give my reasons,but I wanna see some of your opinions first.

They have boobies?

 

[hang-the-9]

They have boobies?

That's my thought also. I think it's one of those things where the general public and the TV people go for the "novel" idea that women play pool. If you put up a purple elephant that can waltz, it will be on TV also.

 

[Rich R.]

The WPBA pays a large part of the production costs for putting their tournament finals on TV.
The men don't have any real organization and they aren't willing to spend any money to put their tournaments on TV.
The bottom line is, the men aren't willing to do much to promote pool. They just want to win the cash and go home.

 

[FranCrimi]

Since I joined this forum last month, I keep seeing threads discussing problems with men's professional pool. It's no secret the men get little to no attention from sponsors and tv coverage,while the women are still shown on ESPN.

So what is it about the women that they get on TV while the men don't? It cant be just summed up by attractiveness, ...........I'll give my reasons,but I wanna see some of your opinions first.

Here's a little history of how the women got TV coverage for their tour while the men didn't.

Both the women and men's organizations went to ESPN back in the 90s and asked what it would take to get ESPN to cover their events. ESPN told them that they had to pay the production costs of each show produced. That came to about $30,000 per tournament at that time.

The men's organization yelled and stomped their feet, demanding that ESPN should pay them for the privilege of airing their shows rather than the opposite. All their yelling and screaming got them nowhere.

The women's org on the other hand, went to work formulating a plan to raise the money to be able to afford production costs. They created the concept of the Classic Tour which was a winning formula for both their players and sponsors for 15 years.

It had nothing to do with boobies. It had to do with smarts.

 

[weakfingers]

Honestly, it's a long term thing.

The WPBA was smart; in the long run, more exposure means bigger prize pools, more coverage, etc...

 

[krupa]

I think it's one of those things where the general public and the TV people go for the "novel" idea that women play pool. If you put up a purple elephant that can waltz, it will be on TV also.

It's 2013; the only people who would find something like this "novel" are retirees who grew up in the 1950s.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

Here's a little history of how the women got TV coverage for their tour while the men didn't.

Both the women and men's organizations went to ESPN back in the 90s and asked what it would take to get ESPN to cover their events. ESPN told them that they had to pay the production costs of each show produced. That came to about $30,000 per tournament at that time.

The men's organization yelled and stomped their feet, demanding that ESPN should pay them for the privilege of airing their shows rather than the opposite. All their yelling and screaming got them nowhere.

The women's org on the other hand, went to work formulating a plan to raise the money to be able to afford production costs. They created the concept of the Classic Tour which was a winning formula for both their players and sponsors for 15 years.

It had nothing to do with boobies. It had to do with smarts.

it looks to me like the wpba got taken advantage of by espn.
after all these years nobody on wpba or mens tours makes any money or is well known. just black widow.
only winner is espn after all these years. kinda sad.
i wonder why matchroom chooses men for mosconi cup every year instead of wpba players . just food for thought.
espn knows people will pay them.
the men should have payed espn and let people decide whether they want to see pretty girls who miss alot or ugly guys who hardly ever miss.
due to good editing they got to see pretty girls who rarely miss cause they edited it out. wpba and espn and fans win ,pretty smart for sure.
its a shame,pool is the only game or sport i can think of where interested viewers have no idea who the best in world truly are.instead they are forced to watch whoever was willing to pay 30,000 to get on tv. men or woman.
i agree with u fran ,the men dooged it in the 90s for sure.

 

[Lil_Kasper]

I just dont understand why they would raise 30K to pay to ESPN when they could of put that back in the pot for the player pay outs.....?

 

[ctyhntr]

The women were wiling to sacrifice short term gain for long term. Without added money, we're just taking each others money in tournaments. The money isn't in tournaments, but attracting mainstream sponsors.

Jeanette Lee seems willing to work hard promoting her image, and I think that's why she broke out and into the mainstream's eye. Minnesota Fats promoted himself, ABC thought it was a good idea to settle who was better (Mosconi or Fats).

I just dont understand why they would raise 30K to pay to ESPN when they could of put that back in the pot for the player pay outs.....?

 

[cardiac kid]

How much of the "success" of the WPBA can be attributed to their exposure on ESPN and how much on the Native American Gaming Casino's who comprise nearly the entire tour? Care to guess?

Without Native American support, the tour would have folded years ago. The Men's tour lost all credibility with all the Gaming groups after the thrown match's debacle so many years ago. All these years later, Greg Sullivan is trying to rebuild that trust with the events at the Caesar's Horseshoe Casinos. We'll see what happens. The Women's Tour appears clean to them. Also believe it is why no Women Pro's gamble publicly, except Jeanette. My guess is she can do no wrong. Most famous pool player in the world! JMHO.

Wonder who pays to have ESPN televise the National Spelling Bee?

Lyn

 

[Lil_Kasper]

How much of the "success" of the WPBA can be attributed to their exposure on ESPN and how much on the Native American Gaming Casino's who comprise nearly the entire tour? Care to guess?

Without Native American support, the tour would have folded years ago. The Men's tour lost all credibility with all the Gaming groups after the thrown match's debacle so many years ago. All these years later, Greg Sullivan is trying to rebuild that trust with the events at the Caesar's Horseshoe Casinos. We'll see what happens. The Women's Tour appears clean to them. Also believe it is why no Women Pro's gamble publicly, except Jeanette. My guess is she can do no wrong. Most famous pool player in the world! JMHO.

Wonder who pays to have ESPN televise the National Spelling Bee?

Lyn

Maybe Charlie Sheen, since all he does is win...lol

 

[Bella Don't Cry]

1. What's wrong with Karen Corr? No need to diss simply because of what...? I don't know Karen but she seems a pleasant person - surely that's all that matters? :smile:

2. Men's pool - the men are their own worst enemies, placing cash upfront b4 anything else. That's suicidal.

3. Broadcasting company's are exactly that. Company's with share holders so first and formost profit is a must. More to the point, pool (men's) seems to think that it is owed something but one things for sure; you get nothing for nothing in this world.

4. Matchroom make money because it is a business. If the Mosconi was not making monet Matchroom would not be invloved. Matchroom briefly played host to the screeningof the WPA 9 ball champs didn't it? Why not ask the WPA what happened with that TV product... :thumbup:

5. One thing if for sure; pool is stuffed under its current generation of leaders and thinkers; hopefully the kids (that play pool) out there won't be as full of themselves and perhaps the future of world pool could be brighter.

 

[Bella Don't Cry]

The Women's Tour appears clean to them. Also believe it is why no Women Pro's gamble publicly,

Lyn[/QUOTE]

Now that's a serious quote!
On a whole, women do not gamble in public.
TV likes 'Family Viewing' shows .
Full stop

Lyne - for president :thumbup:

 

[poolguy4u]

The Women's Tour appears clean to them. Also believe it is why no Women Pro's gamble publicly,

Lyn

Now that's a serious quote!
On a whole, women do not gamble in public.
TV likes 'Family Viewing' shows .
Full stop

Lyne - for president :thumbup:[/QUOTE]

Well of course women gamble in public. There just isn't that many women that play that good.:sorry:

I think there are too many men that play good for it to be a rarity for TV.
Almost every town and city in the country has a champion that is a guy.

Finding a woman that plays like a champ is hard to find.:sorry:

 

[Scaramouche]

How much of the "success" of the WPBA can be attributed to their exposure on ESPN and how much on the Native American Gaming Casino's who comprise nearly the entire tour? Care to guess?

Without Native American support, the tour would have folded years ago. The Men's tour lost all credibility with all the Gaming groups after the thrown match's debacle so many years ago. All these years later, Greg Sullivan is trying to rebuild that trust with the events at the Caesar's Horseshoe Casinos. We'll see what happens. The Women's Tour appears clean to them. Also believe it is why no Women Pro's gamble publicly, except Jeanette. My guess is she can do no wrong. Most famous pool player in the world! JMHO.

Wonder who pays to have ESPN televise the National Spelling Bee?

Lyn

Without a governing body, how can pool go anywhere?

Snooker has a governing body: supports charities, builds the game, enforces standards, and investigates complaints.

For example:

http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~2955972,00.html

http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~2953191,00.html

http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~3075752,00.html

http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~2987819,00.html

http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~2975616,00.html

 

[poolguy4u]

It's 2013; the only people who would find something like this "novel" are retirees who grew up in the 1950s.

:smile:

Funny thing...it is 2013 and it is rare to see a woman on TV that is from America. Where are all the good women that are from America?


Oh...that's right. When schools start having classes teaching pool, that will certainly turn things around. I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

[Donny Lutz]

Women who play like champs

Now that's a serious quote!
On a whole, women do not gamble in public.
TV likes 'Family Viewing' shows .
Full stop

Lyne - for president :thumbup:

Well of course women gamble in public. There just isn't that many women that play that good.:sorry:

I think there are too many men that play good for it to be a rarity for TV.
Almost every town and city in the country has a champion that is a guy.

Finding a woman that plays like a champ is hard to find.:sorry:[/QUOTE]

Granted, there are more top men players (in this country for sure) than women. But if you find it hard to find a woman who plays like a champ, I don't think you're looking hard enough.

When bowling was entering its heydays in the 1950s, it was not only on television, but local newspapers covered it as well. League results were listed weekly in the newspaper, and they covered tournaments,too. When's the last time you saw anything about pool in a newspaper?

When I was in my prime, I appeared four times on television (I was an amateur)...two actually bowling, once to commentate on an exhibition match and once to be interviewed on the evening sports show.

Media elites still look down at pool...

 

[poolguy4u]

Well of course women gamble in public. There just isn't that many women that play that good.:sorry:

I think there are too many men that play good for it to be a rarity for TV.
Almost every town and city in the country has a champion that is a guy.

Finding a woman that plays like a champ is hard to find.:sorry:

Granted, there are more top men players (in this country for sure) than women. But if you find it hard to find a woman who plays like a champ, I don't think you're looking hard enough.

When bowling was entering its heydays in the 1950s, it was not only on television, but local newspapers covered it as well. League results were listed weekly in the newspaper, and they covered tournaments,too. When's the last time you saw anything about pool in a newspaper?

When I was in my prime, I appeared four times on television (I was an amateur)...two actually bowling, once to commentate on an exhibition match and once to be interviewed on the evening sports show.

Media elites still look down at pool...[/QUOTE]

:thumbup:

My oldest brother and his girlfriend bowled mixed scotch doubles in 1977 near Philadelphia and they won the tournament so they got a 1977 Cadillac. They were on TV for probably 3 weeks. They were not considered Professional.

You might of heard of him.

As far as a woman playing like a champ...I play TAP League and I've never seen a TAP League handicap 7 yet.

 

[decent dennis]

Since I joined this forum last month, I keep seeing threads discussing problems with men's professional pool. It's no secret the men get little to no attention from sponsors and tv coverage,while the women are still shown on ESPN.

So what is it about the women that they get on TV while the men don't? It cant be just summed up by attractiveness, because for every Black Widow there's a Karen Corr. I'll give my reasons,but I wanna see some of your opinions first.

What's wrong with Karen Corr? I think if you take those glasses off[ hers] you would find a very attractive women.