Mental vs physical

Jodacus

Shoot...don't talk
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I think for most of us playing our best
pool is work, at least I know it is for me.

I notice that for me when I don't work real
hard it means a taking the mental side off.
Not working so hard mentally. What bothers
me is that the physical, the mechanics fall
off as well.

Does this happen to others as well?

Are your mechanics so well ingrained that
even when you are just hittin' balls your
mechanics are just as good as when you
are really working?

Thanks
 
Mental vs. physical?

I think for most of us playing our best
pool is work, at least I know it is for me.

I notice that for me when I don't work real
hard it means a taking the mental side off.
Not working so hard mentally. What bothers
me is that the physical, the mechanics fall
off as well.

Does this happen to others as well?

Are your mechanics so well ingrained that
even when you are just hittin' balls your
mechanics are just as good as when you
are really working?

Thanks

Yes, this happens to others, I would say to most everyone.
When you play pool you can't separate the two. They do not function independently of each other. They may seem separate only because the focus may be more on one or the other on specific shots.
The physical actions cannot take place without the brain...

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
I think for most of us playing our best
pool is work, at least I know it is for me.

I notice that for me when I don't work real
hard it means a taking the mental side off.
Not working so hard mentally. What bothers
me is that the physical, the mechanics fall
off as well.

Does this happen to others as well?

Are your mechanics so well ingrained that
even when you are just hittin' balls your
mechanics are just as good as when you
are really working?

Thanks

I know exactly what you are saying. And, there are two ways to play, making it hard work, or just playing. Your mechanics fall off because you are using the wrong part of your brain when you don't "work". I know exactly what you mean, but right now I am at a loss for words to describe what is happening, and how you can correct it. If if figure out how to say it, I'll be back here.
 
Are your mechanics so well ingrained that
even when you are just hittin' balls your
mechanics are just as good as when you
are really working?
Thanks

Sometimes better; ever wonder why you can "machine gun" the rest of the rack after you sink the 125th ball in 14.1?
 
Let's see if this makes any sense to others:

practice- practice is when you use your conscious mind in every aspect of playing. Making sure your fundamentals are the same everytime, really paying attention to where you hit the cb, and the reaction afterwards. Both with the cb and the ob. In other words, working very hard at playing the game. The biggest key being consistency. As much as possible, doing things the same way everytime. Ingraining a solid pre-shot routine. All this takes time. Much time on the table. You want these things ingrained and seared into your mind. Very, very few take the time to actually do this.

playing- this is where you have to let go of the conscious mind to a large extent. While standing, you look at the shot. You see the path you want the ob and the cb to go, and at what speed you want it to happen. You actually see it like it just happened. There is no doubt, no labeling as tough or easy. No fear of the outcome if you fail. You just observe.

You go into a state of mind where the rest of the world is of no consequence. Very similar to if you were playing by yourself, and misses didn't matter. You have to eliminate any consequences from your mind, you only have on your mind what you want to have happen, what will happen.

Your training in practice taught you that follow will give you app. a 30º angle off the ob with the cb. You know you need one diamond more angle after the rail. You know from practice that one tip of english = one diamond. This has become ingrained into your mind. Now, in play, you can look at the shot, instantly recognize the angles and what you need to do without having to work to figure them out. You free your mind to acutally SEE what is there. You learn to trust your knowledge and abilities. TOTALLY trust them.

Then, you just get down and let your subconscious shoot the shot. You see, you do. Only an iota of conscious thought is involved.

When you want to run, you don't turn it into hard work and try to figure out every action of running, you just trust your mind to know what to do. Same thing needs to happen in playing. You just trust your previous training to know what to do, and just let it happen.

Where this fails, is when you have not done a lot of practice time to learn how to do things correctly. A one year old baby is not going to go out and run an obstacle course. It takes that baby years of figuring out how to make it's legs work properly on command. Same with pool. It takes a lot of time of actually really paying attention to details to train the mind to work as it should. Freely, and unencumbered without your conscious constantly trying to run the show.

At times, we let pressure creep into our minds. We have to win, we have to make this shot, can't afford to lose, too many people watching me, ect. When that does happen, and you cannot clear your mind from that, your subconscious will not operate properly. It will actually sabotage what you do and make you fail. It does that because that is what you are feeding it. When you can't clear those thoughts, that is when you take your training and switch your approach to making the game hard work. You then consciously pay attention to some details to distract your subconscious from your thoughts of fear. Doing that, you free your subconscious to work properly again.

Downside to doing that is that most tend to start using their conscious mind in all aspects of the shot. From pre-shot routine through actual stroke and follow-through. Just like a checklist of things to do correctly. Very hard to play like that, and you will instantly notice that there is no "feel" to the game, and you will tire quickly.

Hope that made some sense to you.
 
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Neil

So Neil,

If I understand you correctly the physical
psr can be there no matter what, if
it is practiced enough. After all, I can run
across a street or I can run from a lion
without much difference in the amount
of thought because it is so ingrained.

So if I'm being mentally lazy at pool
the ingrained physical part will
dominate? Maybe that is a good way
to "test" what's really there and what isn't?
 
So Neil,

If I understand you correctly the physical
psr can be there no matter what, if
it is practiced enough. After all, I can run
across a street or I can run from a lion
without much difference in the amount
of thought because it is so ingrained.

So if I'm being mentally lazy at pool
the ingrained physical part will
dominate? Maybe that is a good way
to "test" what's really there and what isn't?

An easy way to test your PSR is to just shoot when you get down. No warmup strokes. Get down, pull back, shoot.
 
Every now an then I'll try and dog a shot by just setting up and firing at the ball to let someone else keep shooting at the table. I've been finding lately alot of those shots go in perfectly. I haven't tried shooting a whole game this way but it has me curious how I am shooting on 'autopilot' versus focusing on every shot.
 
I think for most of us playing our best
pool is work, at least I know it is for me.

I notice that for me when I don't work real
hard it means a taking the mental side off.
Not working so hard mentally. What bothers
me is that the physical, the mechanics fall
off as well.

Does this happen to others as well?

Are your mechanics so well ingrained that
even when you are just hittin' balls your
mechanics are just as good as when you
are really working?

Thanks

I am not sure I correctly understand your question, but IMHO I think what you are talking about is FOCUS, or lack of FOCUS. For me, my mechanics do not fall off. For me, my attention to detail & precise aim fall off. I very often subconsciously play to the level of my competition. If I do not really need to be focused, I will not get focused but my mechanics remain in place. I am merely not fine tuning my aim & paying attention to detail through a higher level of focus. But...if a higher level opponent steps up then I know I can not be so sloppy & must step up my FOCUS & allention to detail or I will probably lose.

I sincerely hopes this helps in some fashion.
Rick
 
Every now an then I'll try and dog a shot by just setting up and firing at the ball to let someone else keep shooting at the table. I've been finding lately alot of those shots go in perfectly. I haven't tried shooting a whole game this way but it has me curious how I am shooting on 'autopilot' versus focusing on every shot.

I know exactly what you are talking about. I'll get that way while I'm playing at times, a form of "in the zone" if you will.
I'd love to know how many shots are missed because you're not on 'autopilot' and the mind gets in the way. When I get to that subconscious zone, I have to keep my mind "quiet". I'll start to think about if I'm aiming correctly and then just stop and line up and fire, and sure enough, center pocket. Now to figure out how to flip the switch and be able to turn it on at will......
 
Mental, or physical. Both those aspects certainly play an important role in a players ability to perform, but as I grow older I find the physical side may tend to be a bit more demanding.
On the other hand, however, the mental side can be tough, as well.
I had to ride the bus to the pool hall the other day because I had forgot to put gas in my car.
When I got to the pool hall I found I had forgotten to bring my cue.
I lost four games of One Pocket because I kept forgetting which pocket was mine. I usually put my car keys into the pants pocket that corresponds with the pocket I'm shooting at, but since my car wasn't there I was screwed.
I forgot to pay for my table time when I left.
I forgot what time the buses stopped running so I spent the night in the pool hall parking lot.
By the time I got home I knew I had forgotten something because I wasn't wearing any underwear. The manager of the poolroom called and said I could pick up my underwear at any time. Just ask for the ones with the shit stains.
All in all, I'd say it's pretty even between the two.
 
I think for most of us playing our best
pool is work, at least I know it is for me.

I notice that for me when I don't work real
hard it means a taking the mental side off.
Not working so hard mentally. What bothers
me is that the physical, the mechanics fall
off as well.

Does this happen to others as well?

Are your mechanics so well ingrained that
even when you are just hittin' balls your
mechanics are just as good as when you
are really working?

Thanks

yep untill its ingrained in your muscle memory your body is going to do what it normally does if your not paying attention. This is why its better to do it just a few times correctly than to just bang bang bang balls.

Once proper is ingrained in your muscle memory then the physical takes a complete side seat to the mental. The mental attitude is what will take your game to its highest level possible after that physical part. Mentality is what made tiger woods so god aweful good, mentality is what made him god awful bad after uhhh well you know lol.

You have to make the best of decisions......one must have the mind set of a chess player at his best, to perform at his best. Attention must be paid, and attention pays you back.

-GG
 
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