Metro Sports Bar in Phoenix Phoenix made the 10 o'clock News

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WestBeardsley

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I was watching the “ABC” Affiliate “News Fifteen’ last night about ten, there was a story about Metro Sports Bar in Phoenix, and how they are apparently fighting the new Arizona smoking in public place law.

Has anyone been to Metro Sports Bar, and is the news story accurate. Are they still allowing patrons to smoke in Metro Sports Bar.
 
WestBeardsley said:
I was watching the “ABC” Affiliate “News Fifteen’ last night about ten, there was a story about Metro Sports Bar in Phoenix, and how they are apparently fighting the new Arizona smoking in public place law.

Has anyone been to Metro Sports Bar, and is the news story accurate. Are they still allowing patrons to smoke in Metro Sports Bar.
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If so, here's hoping they lose their business license. Bars, pool halls, etc, can fight these laws all they want. Withn the next 10 years or so, the majority of businesses in the U.S. will be no indoor smoking. These businesses will either adapt, or go out of business.

It's high time the majority of the poulation, which doesn't smoke, BTW.. can go in any business they wish without getting cancer.

Russ
 
WestBeardsley said:
I was watching the “ABC” Affiliate “News Fifteen’ last night about ten, there was a story about Metro Sports Bar in Phoenix, and how they are apparently fighting the new Arizona smoking in public place law.

Has anyone been to Metro Sports Bar, and is the news story accurate. Are they still allowing patrons to smoke in Metro Sports Bar.
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My wife played in a tourney there on Wed. and yes she was able to smoke.

BVal
 
I used to go to Phoenix once or twice a year. I always stayed right across the street from the Metro Sports Bar. It was perfect for me. Cold beer and good food. They have about a dozen gold crowns and maybe a few more bar boxes. I never saw any serious action (that I was aware of) but lots of tourneys and leagues.

I can see why there are fighting the ordinance banning smoking …they would have to let all there servers go because that is exactly what they are SMOKIN!
 
breakup said:
I used to go to Phoenix once or twice a year. I always stayed right across the street from the Metro Sports Bar. It was perfect for me. Cold beer and good food. They have about a dozen gold crowns and maybe a few more bar boxes. I never saw any serious action (that I was aware of) but lots of tourneys and leagues.

I can see why there are fighting the ordinance banning smoking …they would have to let all there servers go because that is exactly what they are SMOKIN!
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They have 10 gold crowns and 9 barboxes - tourneys every night of the week.

BVal
 
BVal said:
My wife played in a tourney there on Wed. and yes she was able to smoke.

BVal
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Then your wife plays tournaments with Diana Clayton? Does Michelle Kedanis play in the Metro tournaments? Heard there was a ruckus on the smoking, something about getting around the ordinance by cutting a hole in the wall so outside air gets into the building so its not contained air - is that correct or something else?
 
Jack Madden said:
Heard there was a ruckus on the smoking, something about getting around the ordinance by cutting a hole in the wall so outside air gets into the building so its not contained air - is that correct or something else?
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If this is true, I truly do hope the owner goes out of business, one way or the other.

It seems more and more people at all levels of American society are flouting the law if they figure they can get away with it.

Hopefully, they don't get away with it.

Russ
 
Yeah, the servers there are usually smokin hot, Breakup :)


I think the owners of Metro also own a couple more bars around the valley. I suspect they would be fighting it there too... Although, I would not gamble my business away. Metro makes plenty of cash from the non pool playing crowd. They always have groups in there eating and drinking that never even look at the tables. It is a very busy bar. Not a great place to play pool cause of that... Way too crowded and all the tables are close together...



I wish I still lived in Phoenix now that there is no smoking :) Playing pool outside the home without smelling, absolutely disgusting, when I got home has always been a dream of mine :)
 
CaptiveBred said:
I wish I still lived in Phoenix now that there is no smoking :) Playing pool outside the home without smelling, absolutely disgusting, when I got home has always been a dream of mine :)
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Not when you have bar owners saying f*** the law, I want to allow smoking, so I will!

When individuals are allowed to flout the law, that way anarchy lays..

Russ
 
Neil said:
And this from the guy that voluntarily went to Iraq to risk the bullets and bombs......priorities a little mixed up, are they?
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Not sure what point you're trying to make?

In both instances, I am making clear statements about those issues I find important. It just so happens one of the statements pays me, the other doesn't.

I happen to believe in the Iraqis' ability to build a stable government. It never did matter to me why we came over here. I saw the need to get America involved in the Middle East one way or another.

Again.. What's your point?

(P.S. MUST you "follow" me around and make every single thread I post in be about the Iraq war?????)

Russ
 
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews20070502_smoking-ban-complaints.2f01a3dd.html

There's a link to the story.

Good luck with that one. I can't blame the guy though. I'm sure he figures that, for a $100-$500 fine, he'll take a shot at beating it. He's probably already made an extra $500 to pay for the fine by having the only place in town where people can still smoke. In the end, however, I highly doubt that having holes in your walls is going to be a way around the ban.

There's also the part about it being indoors, in an enclosed area, which, any way you look at it, he's still allowing smoking indoors.

Here's a link to how the law is written. If you look at the written definition of "enclosed area", it doesn't leave much room for selective interpretation.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/36/00601-01.01.htm&Title=36&DocType=ARS

3. "Enclosed area" means all space between a floor and ceiling that is enclosed on all sides by permanent or temporary walls or windows (exclusive of doorways), which extend from the floor to the ceiling. Enclosed area includes a reasonable distance from any entrances, windows and ventilation systems so that persons entering or leaving the building or facility shall not be subjected to breathing tobacco smoke and so that tobacco smoke does not enter the building or facility through entrances, windows, ventilation systems or any other means.

If you read section B "Smoking is prohibited in all public places and places of employment within the state of Arizona, except the following:", it doesn't say anything about making it okay to smoke in an enclosed area if it's properly ventilated. I could be wrong in what I'm thinking here, but I don't think Metro Sportz Bar is going to get around the ban with holes in their walls.
 
Russ Chewning said:
If this is true, I truly do hope the owner goes out of business, one way or the other.

It seems more and more people at all levels of American society are flouting the law if they figure they can get away with it.

Hopefully, they don't get away with it.

Russ
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I understand your point but I would never wish harm to someone who is fighting for what they believe in. Especially someone who is giving me a place to play a game I love at a good price and on good equipment. JMO.

BVal
 
Perhaps you can help Russ...Im a bit confused?

Russ...in other threads you vehemently defend the owner of acustats against those who post clips of his matches on you tube saying it is his property and only he has the right to decide as to how it is used.

However in this thread you want all the bar and pool hall owners to lose their licenses for running their properties the way they want to.

So which is it...do the owners of a property have the right to decide for themselves how they run their property or don't they?????
 
Lun@ticfringe said:
Russ...in other threads you vehemently defend the owner of acustats against those who post clips of his matches on you tube saying it is his property and only he has the right to decide as to how it is used.

However in this thread you want all the bar and pool hall owners to lose their licenses for running their properties the way they want to.

So which is it...do the owners of a property have the right to decide for themselves how they run their property or don't they?????
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Nice... Against a dumber person, this argument might have worked.

According to the law: No person has the right to post Accu-Stats videos to YouTube without Pat Fleming's permission.

According to the law: The bars in Phoenix are no longer allowed to having smoking indoors.

See the similarities here?

Of course, I have stated "Pat is allowed to run his business however he wants!", and you promptly took it out of context to suit your argument.

The statement "Pat is allowed to run his business however he wants!" was in response to other people's idiotic reasoning that posting his videos to YouTube will be good for his business.

The statement was meant to convey that he is free to run his business any way he sees fit within the constraints of the law. And that whether or not posting his videos to YouTube helps his business is immaterial. Noone but Pat has the right to do so.

Now, please refrain from taking my statements out of context for your own purposes. I am quite sure you are aware I wasn't advocating the right of a chemical plant to dump toxic wastes into drinking water or some such nonsense as that. I don't think I ever insinuated that a business owner's right to conduct their business as they see fit supercedes the law.

If you can find one single solitary instance where I have encouraged breaking the law in any of my posts..even ONE, I would like to see it.

Russ
 
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After reading that article about Metro Sportz Bar, I'm wondering if the owner was confusing prop 201 with prop 206 which would have allowed smoking indoors, but required a "separate ventilation system" (but that requirement wouldn't have been enforced by anyone and there was no penalty for failing to meet it so, essentially, nothing would have changed. It was a proposition sponsored by the tobacco industry.). With 201, there is no smoking in an enclosed area - period - and 201 is the one that passed.

I just heard that there is another pool room here in Phoenix that is still allowing smoking.
 
Russ Chewning said:
If so, here's hoping they lose their business license. Bars, pool halls, etc, can fight these laws all they want. Withn the next 10 years or so, the majority of businesses in the U.S. will be no indoor smoking. These businesses will either adapt, or go out of business.

It's high time the majority of the poulation, which doesn't smoke, BTW.. can go in any business they wish without getting cancer.

Russ
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Withn the next 10 years or so, the majority of businesses in the U.S. will be no indoor smoking. These businesses will either adapt, or go out of business.
THIS is the statement I was referring to.
 
If outlawing smoking would rid the nation of cancer, I'd be all for it. I'm afraid that's not what would happen. Last summer, I was at a car show...totally outdoors. Yes, I smoke 1-2 cigars a week. One of the anti smoking zealots actually followed me around as I looked at the cars...coughing and complaining. The wind was mostly at my back...she was following me, coughing her head off. No way she was sniffing any smoke. She just hated seeing anybody enjoying a stogie.

I got fed up...turned around, blew some in her face, told her she should get her cough checked out, and that she'd better quit following me around, or I'd file a "stalking" complaint!

Okay, Russ...I see your point. FWIW, smoking is banned in any non alcohol
serving establishment in Oregon. Smoking only allowed in bars. That includes my favorite pool hall. No smoking allowed. I comply.

But this broad was CRAZY! Outdoors, a light breeze blowing, you're going to follow a smoker around and complain? Don't come into my yard when I'm mowing the lawn...you might smell the smoke of a fine Hondouran stogie. My wife doesn't like 'em in the house. I respect her wish.

The USA used to be a nation that protected individual liberty. Not so much so these days...

But "these people" who start their cough-cough routine whenever they see (not smell) a cigarette or a stogie? They don't get my respect...:mad:

"Smoking more than one cigar at a time is excessive smoking." -Mark Twain (he was a pool fan.)
 
pwd72s said:
If outlawing smoking would rid the nation of cancer, I'd be all for it. I'm afraid that's not what would happen. Last summer, I was at a car show...totally outdoors. Yes, I smoke 1-2 cigars a week. One of the anti smoking zealots actually followed me around as I looked at the cars...coughing and complaining. The wind was mostly at my back...she was following me, coughing her head off. No way she was sniffing any smoke. She just hated seeing anybody enjoying a stogie.

I got fed up...turned around, blew some in her face, told her she should get her cough checked out, and that she'd better quit following me around, or I'd file a "stalking" complaint!

Okay, Russ...I see your point. FWIW, smoking is banned in any non alcohol
serving establishment in Oregon. Smoking only allowed in bars. That includes my favorite pool hall. No smoking allowed. I comply.

But this broad was CRAZY! Outdoors, a light breeze blowing, you're going to follow a smoker around and complain? Don't come into my yard when I'm mowing the lawn...you might smell the smoke of a fine Hondouran stogie. My wife doesn't like 'em in the house. I respect her wish.

The USA used to be a nation that protected individual liberty. Not so much so these days...

But "these people" who start their cough-cough routine whenever they see (not smell) a cigarette or a stogie? They don't get my respect...:mad:

"Smoking more than one cigar at a time is excessive smoking." -Mark Twain (he was a pool fan.)
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Hey.. I have no problem with people smoking.. It just so happens that they like to congregate in large crowds indoors in the places I play pool. Contrary to what many non-conscientious smoker son here say, if your state allows smoking in pool halls, you'd be hard pressed to find a non-smoking joint within 50 miles.. I suppose those other smokers feel that I should give up pool if I don't like the smoke?

I do appreciate your view on this. I have no problem with people smoking outdoors. I think that lady was being a b***h..

Since you abide by the no indoor smoking rules, and understand the need for them, I applaud you, sir! There are some here that believe they should be allowed to smoke indoors no matter what adverse effect it has on someone else's hobby.

The height of arrogance, if you ask me..

Russ
 
Lun@ticfringe said:
Withn the next 10 years or so, the majority of businesses in the U.S. will be no indoor smoking. These businesses will either adapt, or go out of business.THIS is the statement I was referring to.
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Sigh.. Obviously I am not getting through here...

I'll say it again.. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

I've been incredibly consistent. I have often said Pat Fleming MAY have to adapt, or go out of business. BUT THAT IS HIS CHOICE. It is NOT anyone ELSE'S choice to decide he needs to adapt! If it is legal for him to do business the way he currently does, and he has no wish to put his videos online, then HE IS PERFECTLY WITHIN HIS RIGHT not to do so!

The problem I have is with people who say:

"Oh, lighten up! Us putting his videos on YouTube helps Pat Fleming's business. So shut up!"

I think it is very arrogant for someone to say they know better than Pat how he should run his business.

Russ
 
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