Micarta Ferrules which to buy and where?

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Where can I buy a Micarta ferrule for a cuemaker to install on a shaft? More importantly what are differences between linen and paper micarta on them? On cue components I see linen for $12 and paper for $45. I wanted to get something similar to the yellowish ferrules from the 80s and 90s.

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luv1pocket said:
Where can I buy a Micarta ferrule for a cuemaker to install on a shaft? More importantly what are differences between linen and paper micarta on them? On cue components I see linen for $12 and paper for $45. I wanted to get something similar to the yellowish ferrules from the 80s and 90s.

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Westinghouse Linen Micarta Ferrule – Pool Cue Building Supplies | Cue Components

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The micarta you are looking for might cost you $100 for the ferrule if you can find it. That material is hard to find, because it contained asbestos and hasn't been made for years.
 
luv1pocket said:
Where can I buy a Micarta ferrule for a cuemaker to install on a shaft? More importantly what are differences between linen and paper micarta on them? On cue components I see linen for $12 and paper for $45. I wanted to get something similar to the yellowish ferrules from the 80s and 90s.

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Westinghouse Linen Micarta Ferrule – Pool Cue Building Supplies | Cue Components

Shop Westinghouse linen Micarta ferrules for pool cue building. Classic, durable material for a professional cue finish. Order from Cue Components.
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The 80's and early 90's Micarta was the paper based stuff. It smelled horrible when turning. I suspect asbestos being used and that being why they quietly went away along with fiber ferrules. But that is just a guess.
 
Cue components Micarta may be old, but it’s not US made Micarta. Genuine old yellow Micarta is paper based and does not contain asbestos. 99% of Micarta in public hands never had asbestos in it. It was all military made and the only way it got into public hands is military surplus.
I prefer very fine weave line Micarta since it’s tougher and has higher heat resistance. If you’re not careful you can easily crack paper micarta drilling and tapping it due to heat buildup. I prefer old yellow micarta that turns orangish with age (see pic) . I think it plays better than old yellow micarta.
 

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gutshot said:
Cue components Micarta may be old, but it’s not US made Micarta. Genuine old yellow Micarta is paper based and does not contain asbestos. 99% of Micarta in public hands never had asbestos in it. It was all military made and the only way it got into public hands is military surplus.
I prefer very fine weave line Micarta since it’s tougher and has higher heat resistance. If you’re not careful you can easily crack paper micarta drilling and tapping it due to heat buildup. I prefer old yellow micarta that turns orangish with age (see pic) . I think it plays better than old yellow micarta.
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Where did you get those ferrules above and are they more orange that yellow color? I'd like to get a yellowish micarta ferrule that Schon used and I sent them a messsage but no response.
 
gutshot said:
Cue components Micarta may be old, but it’s not US made Micarta. Genuine old yellow Micarta is paper based and does not contain asbestos. 99% of Micarta in public hands never had asbestos in it. It was all military made and the only way it got into public hands is military surplus.
I prefer very fine weave line Micarta since it’s tougher and has higher heat resistance. If you’re not careful you can easily crack paper micarta drilling and tapping it due to heat buildup. I prefer old yellow micarta that turns orangish with age (see pic) . I think it plays better than old yellow micarta.
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I don't know where you got your information, but Micarta was a Westinghouse brand, which inherently means it wasn't all, 'military made'. In fact, none of it was made by the military. Maybe you meant that it was Mil. Spec., but even that doesn't necessary limit the use to military.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
I don't know where you got your information, but Micarta was a Westinghouse brand, which inherently means it wasn't all, 'military made'. In fact, none of it was made by the military. Maybe you meant that it was Mil. Spec., but even that doesn't necessary limit the use to military.
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The micarta that had asbestos was typical reserved for military applications (not necessary MIL-spec). The information came from a 30+ year engineer at International paper who knew exactly what the formula was for old yellow micarta. Unfortunately they were not allowed to recreate it due to gov't regulations.
 
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Where did you get those ferrules above and are they more orange that yellow color? I'd like to get a yellowish micarta ferrule that Schon used and I sent them a messsage but no response.
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The block started out yellow, but turned orange over time. I have some other ferrules that are similar that turned more orange than yellow.
 
gutshot said:
The micarta that had asbestos was typical reserved for military applications (not necessary MIL-spec). The information came from a 30+ year engineer at International paper who knew exactly what the formula was for old yellow micarta. Unfortunately they were not allowed to recreate it due to gov't regulations.
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Oh, you meant that the asbestos 'micarta' was all military material. Your first post was a bit ambiguous. I can believe that there were military-only runs/mixes of phenolics.
 
Gotta love this picture!
No eye protection.
No respiratory projection.

No OSHA ! LOL

I think he needs to be about 12 inches closer to that cutter. :ROFLMAO:
 

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luv1pocket said:
Where can I buy a Micarta ferrule for a cuemaker to install on a shaft? More importantly what are differences between linen and paper micarta on them? On cue components I see linen for $12 and paper for $45. I wanted to get something similar to the yellowish ferrules from the 80s and 90s.

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Are you talking old paper Micarta like this?
 

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Non maker query: other than nostalgia what is the deal with this stuff? I've owned a few shafts with the old stuff and they played ok. Isn't stuff like Tomahawk/Hydex superior? Thanks............
 
garczar said:
Non maker query: other than nostalgia what is the deal with this stuff? I've owned a few shafts with the old stuff and they played ok. Isn't stuff like Tomahawk/Hydex superior? Thanks............
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Superior in some ways maybe. But the hit of Ivory has never been duplicated. Nor has the hit of the 70s Westing House Micarta. I am not a fan of the hit of either and the Modern Yellow Linen Base Micarta I carry hits better than both in my opinion. But those who like a certain feel or hit want the hit they are used to. If that were not true we would all be playing with LePro tips on whatever single brand of ferrule Tweeten decided to produce at the time.
 
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Superior in some ways maybe. But the hit of Ivory has never been duplicated. Nor has the hit of the 70s Westing House Micarta. I am not a fan of the hit of either and the Modern Yellow Linen Base Micarta I carry hits better than both in my opinion. But those who like a certain feel or hit want the hit they are used to. If that were not true we would all be playing with LePro tips on whatever single brand of ferrule Tweeten decided to produce at the time.
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The ivory and old Micarta had a real crisp hit, that none has replicated. I'm old school and love that crisp hit. Here recently i've become particularly fond of the ivorine 3 material, full capped, conical taper, fat shaft, and a Zan hard grip tip. I like the hit, however there are always caveats that make the hit and that feel. Every player likes something different. I purchased a Helmstetter years ago and had no idea why it shot so well, Dennis Searing told me it was the old Westinghouse micarta. I've never tried the Mason's micarta, I'm guessing this is what you have. I'm curious of the hit
 
I think I have a Westinghouse Micarta ferrule in one of my Dzuricky shafts.

In the first pic, Bob compared the ferrule on my shaft (top) with the old yellow Micarta on his Tim Scruggs shaft Bottom) right after machining my new ferrule. Clearly, the older Scruggs ferrule is much more yellow.


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The second photo, below, taken 19.5 years later, shows the same ferrule Bob machined for me next to an ivory ferrule. The ferrule has yellowed considerably during the intervening years. I'm still not absolutely certain it's the coveted old yellow Micarta, but I'm reasonably confident it is. Unfortunately, different lighting and white balance between the two pictures means the colors can't be exactly compared.

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To those with more experience with the old yellow stuff: Does it look like the legendary yellow stuff, or was I likely fleeced like a sheep when I bought the ferrules? In 2007, Bob confirmed that it was Micarta, but he couldn't confirm it was the old yellow Micarta.

Note that I supplied the Micarta ferrule blank to Bob, so if it isn't genuine, it is not on Bob; it's my fault. I bought two ferrules from another member here on AZB, represented as the old yellow Micarta, but had no way to verify the material.
 
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