Mika's upset on this shot

[AuntyDan]

It was a Diamond Pro-Am with new Simonis 860 cloth. The layout was drawn by Mika an hour after the match.

Hope you had a great time at the DCC! Did I get the shot sequence mostly right? Do you have this on video? Will Mika be delivering my glittering prize personally? ;-)

 

[td873]

Just for the record, I disagree. If it goes outside the cloth (including the cloth on the rails), it is a foul. The wood is not part of the playing surface. If I am wrong, please let me know, but I am pretty sure I remember reading this in print somewhere.

BCA rule 3.28 defines that a ball contacting the wood and permanent parts of the table is not a foul.

Balls may bounce on the cushion tops and rails of the table in play play wihtout being jumped balls... The table shall consist of the permanent part of the table proper.

The rule also specifically omits lights and chalk.

-td

 

[Bob Jewett]

if the cueball rolls on the wooden part of the rail, isn't that a foul?

It is a foul at carom but not at pool. Not sure about snooker -- from the rules, it appears that it is not a foul for the cue ball to hit extraneous objects, perhaps including your opponent who might be standing too close to the table, or a light fixture. It used to be specifically permitted at pool for a ball to strike the light fixture and return to the table.

 

[Bob Jewett]

BCA rule 3.28 ...

I think that there is no rule 3.28 in the current BCA rules. The World Standardized rules changed as of January 1st.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... I'm assuming that they and the referee of the match would know!!...

Bad assumption. The DCC uses its own set of rules which are not BCA nor WPA nor BCAPL nor any other known set. They are unique, so far as I know.

 

[AuntyDan]

It is a foul at carom but not at pool. Not sure about snooker.

IIRC it's always a foul in Snooker any time any ball, including the cue ball, leaves the bed of the table at any point. (E.G. A Jump shot) But then us English have always been a fussy lot ;-)

 

[renard]

IIRC it's always a foul in Snooker any time any ball, including the cue ball, leaves the bed of the table at any point. (E.G. A Jump shot) But then us English have always been a fussy lot ;-)

Boy I'll say your a fussy lot... Put a beer in front of them its gone, don't matter what kind!!!

 

[Bob Jewett]

IIRC it's always a foul in Snooker any time any ball, including the cue ball, leaves the bed of the table at any point. ...

Actually, it's permitted to jump over balls at snooker, but you have to have struck a ball on first. If it were a foul for a ball to leave the bed of the table, most shots would be fouls, since on most shots there is a small jump. Try putting a dime in front of the cue ball and playing some typical-strength strokes.

 

[ragbug74]

I happened to be watching Mika's match when this shot happened. It was upstairs in the larger room and Mika was trailing 6-4. The kid hit the shot, it went in, and Mika sat there stunned. He put his equipment away and left the room without saying much at all. Mika happened to be sitting in a chair at the corner of the table that the 9 went in, so he had a front-row seat. Shortly afterward, Mika headed down to the TV table where several other players were doing the One-Pocket Ghost contest. He proceeded to explain/diagram the shot to the other players and seemed to be over it by then. It's a tough way to lose a game, let alone a match.

 

[td873]

I think that there is no rule 3.28 in the current BCA rules. The World Standardized rules changed as of January 1st.

Are you indicating that the rule itself has changed (i.e., it is now a foul to hit the rail), or just that the number has changed. Your comment was a bit ambiguous.

Also, can you post a link to the new rules? The BCA site still links to the old WS rules...

Thanks,

-td

 

[Bob Jewett]

Are you indicating that the rule itself has changed (i.e., it is now a foul to hit the rail), or just that the number has changed. Your comment was a bit ambiguous.

Also, can you post a link to the new rules? The BCA site still links to the old WS rules...

Thanks,

-td

The WPA web site has the new rules up now with lots of useful reference links. www.wpa-pool.com

The "driven off the table" rule is the same intent and more or less the same wording as before. I see now that there is some ambiguity in what should be done with a ball that hits a light fixture (for example) and returns to the table. The rule sort of says it should be spotted (if spotting is part of the game) but it's not clear.