Mike Lambros or Mike Webb?

ChopStick said:
The contact surfaces of the joint are sloped. This gives a greater contact area in the joint than is possible with a flat joint.
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I'm sure it creates a different feel but as far as better contact which
I've heard before,I just don't get it.I've always thought when it
came to pool cues and pool cue only, that as long as both sides
of contact are flush and tight then there wouldn't be any difference
at all.
When it comes to feel,then I would agree that different joint types and
materials used, makes a big difference.
 
scsuxci said:
I'm sure it creates a different feel but as far as better contact which
I've heard before,I just don't get it.I've always thought when it
came to pool cues and pool cue only, that as long as both sides
of contact are flush and tight then there wouldn't be any difference
at all.
When it comes to feel,then I would agree that different joint types and
materials used, makes a big difference.
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It's a static vs dynamic loading question.

The idea is in off-center hits, the face surfaces on a standard flat-face joint can come apart due to the lateral (transverse) force. That can create that ping. Most of today's modern cue makers do a pretty good job at their thread fits, so it's not as big of an "issue." In fact, it really isn't an issue at all for most people.

Both the Lambros and Schuler joints are designed to address this as does the Layani joint by designing in radial compression. The old school pilot joints (nubbin) did a decent job, too, but IMO the Lambros and Schuler joints are superior. Across most of the off center hits at most speeds, the vibration and sound at the joint feels pretty consistent in the Lambros and Schuler.

The downside that I've heard from feedback is that some find the Lambros and Schuler to be "too dead" or "too muted." Many people like more feedback from the joint hit. If that's what someone wants, I wouldn't suggest a Lambros.

To the original poster, you can't go wrong with either Webb or Lambros. Both are excellent cuemaker who put a ton of effort into their respective product.

Freddie
 
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scsuxci said:
I'm sure it creates a different feel but as far as better contact which
I've heard before,I just don't get it.I've always thought when it
came to pool cues and pool cue only, that as long as both sides
of contact are flush and tight then there wouldn't be any difference
at all.
When it comes to feel,then I would agree that different joint types and
materials used, makes a big difference.
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I don't know. I have never seen a Lambros cue. I just looked at the design and it looks sound. Here is the patent filing along with detailed drawings of the joint.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5820473.pdf

It seems to be a good design. What it plays like may be a different story. I also came across this while looking up the patent.

Patent for a billiard cue filed in 1922 by Rambow. Detailed drawings included.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1527748.pdf
 
Cornerman said:
It's a static vs dynamic loading question.

The idea is in off-center hits, the face surfaces on a standard flat-face joint can come apart due to the lateral (transverse) force. That can create that ping. Most of today's modern cue makers do a pretty good job at their thread fits, so it's not as big of an "issue." In fact, it really isn't an issue at all for most people.

Both the Lambros and Schuler joints are designed to address this as does the Layani joint by designing in radial compression. The old school pilot joints (nubbin) did a decent job, too, but IMO the Lambros and Schuler joints are superior. Across most of the off center hits at most speeds, the vibration and sound at the joint feels pretty consistent in the Lambros and Schuler.

The downside that I've heard from feedback is that some find the Lambros and Schuler to be "too dead" or "too muted." Many people like more feedback from the joint hit. If that's what someone wants, I wouldn't suggest a Lambros.

To the original poster, you can't go wrong with either Webb or Lambros. Both are excellent cuemaker who put a ton of effort into their respective product.

Freddie
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Back in the 70s when the flat faced joints were becoming popular the fit was pretty bad. You could stand the cue up, hold the butt between your feet, hold the tip in one hand, put your other hand on the joint, bend it slightly from side to side and you could feel the joint surfaces separating. Meucci joints were really sloppy back then.

Like you said, with the new pins and tighter fits of joints now days, this is not a problem like it used to be.
 
Its more into the design for me, not into the really long points and the points that go into the joint are just stupid, I'm a Webb fan myself , he gives you lots of joint options, great person to talk to, huge wait list , which should tell you something. But lambros sells a lot of cues so there most be a reason. Webb also make a ld shaft that I'll be getting with my next cue. But I dont think you can go wrong with either. Pick a price range and design and just buy, either one you will get your money back.
 
desmocourtney said:
The Ultra joint offers a superior connection between the tip and your grip. Its like broadband for your cue. All information coming from the shaft is transmitted to your grip hand with accuracy, detail and nuances intact. High definition, if you will.
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That's the best description I've heard yet for the Lambros hit, and fits my experience exactly. To me, my Lambros with Ultra joint and standard shafts is, above all else, smoooooth hitting, but firm, with great feedback.

The relatively low deflection from his shorter LBM ferrules is a nice secondary feature, especially if you use back-hand english like I do – the pivot point distance to zero-out the squirt ends up being around 11-12", a common bridge length.

To the poster above who said he had problems with the Ultra joint loosening – I just don't see how that's possible. Mine compresses up slowly over the last 2 turns or so, and when put together tight, can be quite hard to get apart at the end of the night. That sort of compression joint just doesn't self-loosen, by its nature.
 
Really. That's strange. I'm not calling you a lier but I've never had a cue that locks down like a lambros!you can hear it when cinchs tight. I have a habit of giving my cue a twist every couple shots after having a Scruggs that came loose all the time. Because of this sometimes I can't get my lambros a part lol another friend I have uses a rubber tool used to to grip gun barrels to get his a part.




scsuxci said:
I really love the feel of the Lambros hit,but found the shaft did up
snug tight but not lock tight if that makes any sense.I found
myself always checking to make sure it was done up tight and felt
on certain shots like it was loosening as the night went on.

Everyone I've had, had done the same thing.His regular shafts do
play heads beyond his LD shafts as somebody has already stated
but its that joint that makes me leery every time.
I'd go with the Webb,if I were you.
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RADAR said:
Get a ned morris, they play really play!
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I would bet if I put a ned morris cue on a table with some balls and nothing or no one causes the cue to move, the cue will not make a single ball. The cue will not play pool only the shooter can do that.
 
dr9ball said:
They might only have to change a very small portion of the joint design to be able to make it their own.
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Depends on the patent and the claims being made. If the new joint is deemed to be derived from Mike's design then it infringes regardless of the amount of change.
 
JB Cases said:
Depends on the patent and the claims being made. If the new joint is deemed to be derived from Mike's design then it infringes regardless of the amount of change.
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I agree but at some point it's a joint, it would be interesting to know how a court would define derived from Mike's design which was at least in part derived from a joint from another cue in that it has a threaded pin and a side wall :)
 
Lambros...I'm sure Mike Webb makes a great cue but Lambros' have hit that is unmatched by other cues.
 
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