Milled Hardwood Veneers

[Quesports]

I just surfed the new cue section on CueAddicts.com and they have a new James White cue with milled hardwood veneers. I was under the impression that Skip Weston was the only cuemaker doing them. Does anyone know of other cuemakers doing this with there veneers?
Dan

 

[blud]

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I just surfed the new cue section on CueAddicts.com and they have a new James White cue with milled hardwood veneers. I was under the impression that Skip Weston was the only cuemaker doing them. Does anyone know of other cuemakers doing this with there veneers?
Dan

Been doing it for about 20 years. Built a little machine to cut them and salvage the inter-part for the next cue. Works real good.
Greg Hearn cuemaker from Canada also mills his veneers.

Some have milled them and lost the inter-part, because they use a 90degree milling tool.
blud

 

[ceebee]

John Parker of Auerbach Custom Cues has been doing milled hardwood veneers for more than several years, 7,8 or more. John does both type of point veneers, but prefers the milled version. There are 2 or 3 very nice examples of this work FOR SALE on his website.

http://www.auerbachcustomcues.com

 

[buddha162]

Maybe Joe Van can shed some light on this. I was also under the impression that Skip is the only cuemaker to assemble his points with hardwood veneers prior to glueing.

-Roger

 

[bandido]

All the cues in Bandido's Cues have points with natural hardwood color borders except for the v-spliced 5 pointer. They're all solid inlaid then recut to accept the next piece that's why you don't see glue lines that run between them at the apex.
Edwin Reyes

 

[merylane]

????

i think a lot of the new cue makers have tried it. but i think rocky tillis did it first back in the 60's, good ? i have one of his and one from mottey.

 

[classiccues]

Maybe Joe Van can shed some light on this. I was also under the impression that Skip is the only cuemaker to assemble his points with hardwood veneers prior to glueing.

-Roger

Whoa Rog, this forum is ask the cuemaker, not ask the cue pimp
Anyways I guarantee Skip is the only one doing them HIS way. So
far everyone has been talking "recuts" and Skip does not do RECUTTING.
Is this better than dyed holly or sycamore? I read a recent article on RSB
by Stroud and one reason he didn't like traditional veneers entailed a strength
issue, so who knows. I know I have a Szamboti or 2 that has traditional veneers that are still as good today as they were 25 years ago.
I will say I think the absence of the glue line is a positive, I have seen some
traditional veneers by some "top" cuemakers that make the gap in Madonnas teeth look small in comparison.

Joe

 

[classiccues]

I just surfed the new cue section on CueAddicts.com and they have a new James White cue with milled hardwood veneers. I was under the impression that Skip Weston was the only cuemaker doing them. Does anyone know of other cuemakers doing this with there veneers?
Dan

Dan,
Mottey, CK, and a few others do "recutting" veneers. Most cuemakers get more for this type of point than traditional veneers. With the plethora of natural hardwoods and the many different impregnated woods by wildwoods and the like, the design capacity is endless for hardwood veneered cues.

Joe

 

[macguy]

i think a lot of the new cue makers have tried it. but i think rocky tillis did it first back in the 60's, good ? i have one of his and one from mottey.

Could you post a picture of the Tillis cue? I knew Rocky pretty well and I never saw a cue he made that he did points, I don't think he ever made any, unless he may have purchased a blank like Balabushka. Mostly he did cues with hard woods and some simple inlay in the butt sleeve.

I just remembered, he sometimes took cues like Viking and would rework them putting in some inlay new shafts and stuff, sort of like starting with a blank.

 

[chokenstroke]

I will say I think the absence of the glue line is a positive, I have seen some traditional veneers by some "top" cuemakers that make the gap in Madonnas teeth look small in comparison.
Joe

Then maybe you should reconsider what it takes to be a Top Cuemaker.
I would think making Top Quality cues was part of it.

 

[merylane]

Tillis Cues

Could you post a picture of the Tillis cue? I knew Rocky pretty well and I never saw a cue he made that he did points, I don't think he ever made any, unless he may have purchased a blank like Balabushka. Mostly he did cues with hard woods and some simple inlay in the butt sleeve.

I just remembered, he sometimes took cues like Viking and would rework them putting in some inlay new shafts and stuff, sort of like starting with a blank.

Here is a picture of a photo from Rocky's album. Thought it might be better than just one cue. Did/Do you live in Tampa area? I never heard of the Viking story but I do know he did titlist's.

 

[macguy]

Here is a picture of a photo from Rocky's album. Thought it might be better than just one cue. Did/Do you live in Tampa area? I never heard of the Viking story but I do know he did titlist's.

I lived in the Orlando area but went to Tampa a lot to play in tournaments and gamble in the late 60's and 70's. I used to like to talk to Rocky. It is hard to see much from the pictures I would be surprised if he built those points, he may have though. You could get low end cues from Palmers, Vikings and so on that some guys would re wrap, change butt caps and joint treatments making them custom cues and of course the Titlists. He had a unique joint of his own design where the screw was incorporated into the SS joint. He was funny, he would always produce stuff he was working on from his pockets and would explain in great detail about it. I think he worked for the rail road at one time.

 

[merylane]

not only did he make those points but he also made the machine to cut them. he didnt use a table saw like the old timers and didnt use a mill like the new timers. oh and the ones on the right have multiple colors.

 

[Kevin Lindstrom]

Can someone explain the difference between "milled point veneers" and "recut point veneers". If there are photo's somewhere showing the differences that would be very helpful as well. Thanks

 

[cueman]

I think both terms are misleading as neither are veneers. Both are terms for the same thing. Which means gluing in a piece of wood in a v-groove then milling or recutting another v-groove in that new piece of wood and so on, giving the illusion of a seamless veneer. But really there is no veneer. Just recut or remilled points. You have to be set up right to do this, but it is not that big of a deal once set up. There are many cuemakers doing cues this way. Some are doing it on my small Cue Smith lathe with a router and others are doing it on a mill or table saw or radial arm saw. I hope this clarifies things for you.
Now if they had used the term Mitered veneer points. This means they glued their veneers up and then mitered or milled a 45 degree angle on them so you see a seam running up the middle of the veneer part of the points once they are glued together in the forearm.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[Teddy Harris]

Anyways I guarantee Skip is the only one doing them HIS way. So
far everyone has been talking "recuts" and Skip does not do RECUTTING.
Joe

Several years ago, I saw one piece veneers at Black Boar, and at the trade show about 4 or 5 years ago, Greg Hearn from Canada had some one piece veneers in his booth.

 

[cueman]

Viking and Burton Spain made L shaped angle plastic extrusions for a while that gave the appearance of being seamless veneers also. Bob Meucci came up with it and passed it along to them according to Bob.

 

[Fred Agnir]

I just surfed the new cue section on CueAddicts.com and they have a new James White cue with milled hardwood veneers. I was under the impression that Skip Weston was the only cuemaker doing them. Does anyone know of other cuemakers doing this with there veneers?
Dan

Skip is one of several. But, he's definitely worthy of more than a passing look.

Fred

 

[buddha162]

Did Spain or Black Boar cut one-piece veneers out of hardwood?

If not, is there a significant difference?

-Roger

 

[classiccues]

Several years ago, I saw one piece veneers at Black Boar, and at the trade show about 4 or 5 years ago, Greg Hearn from Canada had some one piece veneers in his booth.

I have seen other veneers and again, they are "L" shaped and thats not what Skip is doing.

Joe (----sworn to secrecy