I don't read the pool magazines (did one or both come out of the closet?), but are you sure you are not making too much of this? When Helena and Monica were here in town at Jeanette's celebrity benefit tournament, I got the impression that they were just good friends - did anyone say anything differently in the magazines. When I was in college, I bought a house with 2 friends of the same gender, and we sure as hell were only good friends.
Monica & Helena
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poolplayer1988 said:
I have the ability to judge between right and wrong but its not my place to judge others. IMO if I disagree with something like life style or others
decision making I should just pray for their safety and pray that God
will lead me to the correct decisions about my life.
I like your quote... it tells you not to judge someone by their appearance.
Nothing personal and I am not going to get into bible debates. I certainly
do not live a perfect life...probably far from it.
frankncali
Brainwashing...might as well turn on the Howard Stern Show and watch the "God hates Fags" family and see 5 year old kids bashing homosexuality just because their momma preaches it. I remember several years ago hearing that Allison and Gerda had a place together. Who cares.
I found it amusing that when I was watching the U.S. Championships last year in Lincoln City, OR people from the crowd got to ask Allison questions. One woman asked if she was married. And Steve Tipton said "Well Allison are you married?" And Allison plainly replied "No, not married" And left it at that. Companionship is companionship, no matter where it is from. Old women have their fu-fu dogs, does that make her a beastiality case? No...unless she was fooling around with the dog but thats another issue.
I think that their living together would only improve their pool game...is they have a table in the house and played serious. Can you imagine how good you would get if you had another top level player in the same house to play? I think they would get their concentration and everything else up very fast.
I found it amusing that when I was watching the U.S. Championships last year in Lincoln City, OR people from the crowd got to ask Allison questions. One woman asked if she was married. And Steve Tipton said "Well Allison are you married?" And Allison plainly replied "No, not married" And left it at that. Companionship is companionship, no matter where it is from. Old women have their fu-fu dogs, does that make her a beastiality case? No...unless she was fooling around with the dog but thats another issue.
I think that their living together would only improve their pool game...is they have a table in the house and played serious. Can you imagine how good you would get if you had another top level player in the same house to play? I think they would get their concentration and everything else up very fast.
Williebetmore said:
I just read the article and it says nothing other than they bought a house
together. It is a good article that I recommend reading. It gives
good insight into Helena. It would have to help Monicas and hers pool game
with a table at home and another good player to practice.
just my 2ct. worth
To all of the Bibleclub:
What do you think the Bible will say about: sharking, hustling, gambling???
If Monica and Helena are couple, which isn't clear, so what? Don't get me wrong, but homosexuality seems to be a big issue in the US. As a foreigner it seems everybody over there seems to hate "faggets" yet there are citys like San Francisco which has an open comunity ? Often times in this matter the bible is quoted, on the other hand you have table dance bars in almost every town. If you all were so true christians they all must go broke in a matter of weeks??
As long as there are : Table Dance Bars (topless of course ;-), Porn Movies and brilliant functioning industry behind it, and all sorts of other stuff I don't want to mention here, judging and quoting the bible in this sense is double morale.
Markus
not gay, happily married and a "daddy" myself
To all of the Bibleclub:
What do you think the Bible will say about: sharking, hustling, gambling???
If Monica and Helena are couple, which isn't clear, so what? Don't get me wrong, but homosexuality seems to be a big issue in the US. As a foreigner it seems everybody over there seems to hate "faggets" yet there are citys like San Francisco which has an open comunity ? Often times in this matter the bible is quoted, on the other hand you have table dance bars in almost every town. If you all were so true christians they all must go broke in a matter of weeks??
As long as there are : Table Dance Bars (topless of course ;-), Porn Movies and brilliant functioning industry behind it, and all sorts of other stuff I don't want to mention here, judging and quoting the bible in this sense is double morale.
Markus
not gay, happily married and a "daddy" myself
i210mfu said:
Markus, I agree. But, I think in the big cities people are more tolerant to minorities or people with different life style / ideology no matter if you are gay, hippy, punk rock -dude, vegetarian or whatever. In small country towns people tend to have more opinions about people, usually not-so-good opinions. Recently one good friend of mine came out from the closet and admitted being gay. It wasn't a big surprise to me, but the point is that I can't imagine him living in a small town where everyone knows each other. He is safer from negative attitude in a big city where he can blend in and find his own kind of people. Not that he is trying to avoid the public opinion. But, the truth is that there are always people who aren't so tolerant...
I don't have anything against the US, but I think it's the country of double morale as Markus mentioned...
And no, I'm not gay and looking forward being married and a "daddy" one day
QUOTE=mjantti]Markus, I agree. But, I think in the big cities people are more tolerant to minorities or peop[le with different life style / ideology no matter if you are gay, hippy, punk rock -dude, vegetarian or whatever. In small country towns people tend to have more opinions about people, usually not-so-good opinions.
I don't have anything against the US, but I think it's the country of double morale as Markus mentioned...
QUOTE]
I have lived in all sizes of cities and the bigger ones seem more tolerant, open, and relaxed than the smaller ones. I have found that alot of the ones that seem open to minorities or homosexuals are not always that way.
I think you get more of a front in bigger cities where its less "cool" to be
against the person or group and in the small towns its the opposite.
I dont agree with your assessment that small town people have "not so-good
opinions". Who is the judge??
Is the US the only "bad country".
From my travels overseas I would say that its the same discrimination its just
directed at a country (USA) and not groups. I did not meet any one person
while on my 3 weeks long trip through 9 countries that liked or agreed
with America or the people. They were all "nice" about not liking
us though
I would like to venture back over and see more but I am a little nervous
about it now.
I don't have anything against the US, but I think it's the country of double morale as Markus mentioned...
QUOTE]
I have lived in all sizes of cities and the bigger ones seem more tolerant, open, and relaxed than the smaller ones. I have found that alot of the ones that seem open to minorities or homosexuals are not always that way.
I think you get more of a front in bigger cities where its less "cool" to be
against the person or group and in the small towns its the opposite.
I dont agree with your assessment that small town people have "not so-good
opinions". Who is the judge??
Is the US the only "bad country".
From my travels overseas I would say that its the same discrimination its just
directed at a country (USA) and not groups. I did not meet any one person
while on my 3 weeks long trip through 9 countries that liked or agreed
with America or the people. They were all "nice" about not liking
us though
I would like to venture back over and see more but I am a little nervous
about it now.
quote: Is the US the only "bad country".
From my travels overseas I would say that its the same discrimination its just
directed at a country (USA) and not groups. I did not meet any one person
while on my 3 weeks long trip through 9 countries that liked or agreed
with America or the people. They were all "nice" about not liking
us though
I would like to venture back over and see more but I am a little nervous
about it now. un quote
Well, I've never said that the US is a bad country. Quite far from that. The only thing is that especially this issue seems to be a big fuzz in the US only. Europe generally likes the US, not every President though but the people and the attitude. The dislikes generally are caused by politicians and there decisions and not the people, as in general over the world. over the past 2000 years there have been quite great people who have been queer. it started as early as mankind in my opinion and certainly long before any bible of any religion has been written down. Just accept it as given nature for some....if it's not you way of live it's ok, if it is your friends way of live just let him be. You are the country of the free at last ?
You shouldn't be nervous to go abroad. The biggest cultural difference in my opinion is, the people here in Europe read more international news than the average us citizen. This might be because your country is so large and the focus is narrowed on you home soil (including Canada & Mexico more than the international news. People over here enjoy a tough discussion but seldom blame a person for the politics of a whole country.
Markus
From my travels overseas I would say that its the same discrimination its just
directed at a country (USA) and not groups. I did not meet any one person
while on my 3 weeks long trip through 9 countries that liked or agreed
with America or the people. They were all "nice" about not liking
us though
I would like to venture back over and see more but I am a little nervous
about it now. un quote
Well, I've never said that the US is a bad country. Quite far from that. The only thing is that especially this issue seems to be a big fuzz in the US only. Europe generally likes the US, not every President though but the people and the attitude. The dislikes generally are caused by politicians and there decisions and not the people, as in general over the world. over the past 2000 years there have been quite great people who have been queer. it started as early as mankind in my opinion and certainly long before any bible of any religion has been written down. Just accept it as given nature for some....if it's not you way of live it's ok, if it is your friends way of live just let him be. You are the country of the free at last ?
You shouldn't be nervous to go abroad. The biggest cultural difference in my opinion is, the people here in Europe read more international news than the average us citizen. This might be because your country is so large and the focus is narrowed on you home soil (including Canada & Mexico
more than the international news. People over here enjoy a tough discussion but seldom blame a person for the politics of a whole country.Markus
NOSAJ03 said:OHHHHHH GEEEEZZZ COME ONI knew that someone was going to take it worng if I asked the question. Where in that question did I even allude to any kind of gender preference or discrimination of same sex couples????? It was a simple question!!!!! I just didnt know that they were specifically a couple. I think that its people like you who are quick to jump on others for asking questions that make subjects like this so blown out of proportion. When I read the article in billiards digest about Helena I didnt even put two and two together when they were talking about buying a house together. I only thought that it was cool that two pros are living together. It was not until Gumbocue mentioned them being love birds that I made the connection. I think that its great. Love is all the same no matter what gender you are. So relax and just play pool
Actually a good case could be made that the person getting all bent out of shape about the question is the one showing a prejudicial attitude, not the person asking an innocent question.
Of course, it has nothing to do with pool, but neither does does discussion of Archer's increase family size or Alex Pagulian's love life, both of which seem to be freely discussed.
Sorry for drifting slightly off-topic... Frank, I think small town people haven't seen and met all "kinds" of people and they might have old believes about minorities and people with alternative life-style. You wouldn't believe what they wrote in geography schoolbooks about ethincal minorities here in Finland in the early 1900's.
And I think many people cannot make a difference on their anger/hate against America and Americans. Cannot blame all the US citizens for the deeds of a single man. Personally, I like to find out both sides of the story before jumping into conclusions. IMO, USA is not a "bad country". I just say it could be better, like all countries.
And I think many people cannot make a difference on their anger/hate against America and Americans. Cannot blame all the US citizens for the deeds of a single man. Personally, I like to find out both sides of the story before jumping into conclusions. IMO, USA is not a "bad country". I just say it could be better, like all countries.
mjantti said:Markus, I agree. But, I think in the big cities people are more tolerant to minorities or people with different life style / ideology no matter if you are gay, hippy, punk rock -dude, vegetarian or whatever. In small country towns people tend to have more opinions about people, ...
I have to disagree with that. The PROPORTION of biggoted people is no less than in the "sticks" as a matter of fact it may be higher. The NUMBER of non-biggoted people in the city is higher, giving the false illusion that their PROPORTION is higher. The myth is further perpetuated by the fact that people with alternative lifestyles generally can find plenty of others of the same subset in the city as opposed to the country.
People are the same everywhere, the effect of the numbers in the urban environment masks that fact. That is not to say everywhere is homogenous, individual towns, cities, maybe even states, will be more or less tolerant, but on the whole the urban and rural environments are made from the same people with the same attitudes.
JMHO.
Don't you just love...
Don't you just love the way, back in the old days, homosexuals were being attacked because of their sexual preferences, and NOWADAYS, people like me are getting attacked because of their religious beliefs?
I must say, the homosexual community has done a "super" job at spreading their message and getting all of the bleeding hearts to start crying for them. The homosexuals have had an agenda from Day One about how they were going to force the world to accept their lifestyle, and here in 2004 it's finally working for them. They have chanted and paraded and such so much that now the world is numb to them and the world's mind is so fogged that we as a society can't even realize the diference between right and wrong and what is natural and unnatural.
Romans 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
If you guys and gals don't believe in attacking the gay community because of their lifestyle and beliefs, then why are you attacking me because of my beliefs? In none of my posts did you ever read that I said they were bad people because they possibly were gay. However, I did express my opinion and belief on the matter of homosexuality itself. I tolerate the lifestyle of the homosexuality community, just like they tolerate my Christian lifestyle. I work for an owner who is homosexual, and have a few friends who are. No, I don't preach to them every day, but they know where I stand on the issue. I, however, am a married man, with expectations of becoming a father in the future myself. Also, I, as an intelligent human being with an IQ of 163, do not see myself as bigoted towards anybody. I am more understanding than most. Thanks for listening to the rant, and keep those attacks coming.
P.S. YOU try getting molested by a homosexual (that's right, a homosexual) as a very young child like I was and see if it doesn't help to shape your opinion on the matter.
Don't you just love the way, back in the old days, homosexuals were being attacked because of their sexual preferences, and NOWADAYS, people like me are getting attacked because of their religious beliefs?
I must say, the homosexual community has done a "super" job at spreading their message and getting all of the bleeding hearts to start crying for them. The homosexuals have had an agenda from Day One about how they were going to force the world to accept their lifestyle, and here in 2004 it's finally working for them. They have chanted and paraded and such so much that now the world is numb to them and the world's mind is so fogged that we as a society can't even realize the diference between right and wrong and what is natural and unnatural.
Romans 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
If you guys and gals don't believe in attacking the gay community because of their lifestyle and beliefs, then why are you attacking me because of my beliefs? In none of my posts did you ever read that I said they were bad people because they possibly were gay. However, I did express my opinion and belief on the matter of homosexuality itself. I tolerate the lifestyle of the homosexuality community, just like they tolerate my Christian lifestyle. I work for an owner who is homosexual, and have a few friends who are. No, I don't preach to them every day, but they know where I stand on the issue. I, however, am a married man, with expectations of becoming a father in the future myself. Also, I, as an intelligent human being with an IQ of 163, do not see myself as bigoted towards anybody. I am more understanding than most. Thanks for listening to the rant, and keep those attacks coming.
P.S. YOU try getting molested by a homosexual (that's right, a homosexual) as a very young child like I was and see if it doesn't help to shape your opinion on the matter.
poolplayer1988 said:
First of all, if this post was directed at me, I did not attack anyone. Secondly, I was molested at a young age by a memeber of the same sex so that's no excuse. There are perverts and sick individuals of all kinds. By your implication, someone who was heterosexually molested should become homosexual and should be opposed to the heterosexual lifestyle?
As Mr. Webster defines bigot:
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
I suppose your level of tolerance is debatable, however, the fact that you look down on others just because you think a certain lifestyle is wrong is bigotry no matter how you slice it!
Huh?
You know what? I think it's odd that out of my whole entire post, the only thing you chose to nitpick at was the last part. Why do you say I look down on people? Did I say that? I consider myself no better than anyone else, and look down on no one. So, how did you come to that conclusion? Do you think I'm some high and mighty Christian sitting up on my perch looking down on all "sinners"? Quite the contrary, my friend. I don't know where you got your opinion of how Christians act, but if you think that that's how we all act, you are severely mistaken and mislead. I don't consider myself higher than anyone else, nor will I ever. In this day and time, the line between what is right and wrong is severely blurred. Right and wrong is no longer a black and white issue, it's ALOT more grey. I still try to see things in black and white myself. Maybe that's why I am attacked by those whose vision is a little blurred to right and wrong. If you had read my post entirely and focused on the whole thing instead just the P.S., you'd see that I DO tolerate homosexuals. I have never, ever made a slur against them or their lifestyle, because that only hurts me, nor will I ever. I don't hate people, I dislike the sin, especially the blatant, out-and-out, in-your-face kind that some homosexuals force down my throat with their parades and such. Do you ever see a heterosexual parade? Of course not. We'd be labeled as haters of everyone else that's different. Please explain how you think I sit up on my high and mighty perch and look down on others. I don't get that.
Rackin_Zack said:
You know what? I think it's odd that out of my whole entire post, the only thing you chose to nitpick at was the last part. Why do you say I look down on people? Did I say that? I consider myself no better than anyone else, and look down on no one. So, how did you come to that conclusion? Do you think I'm some high and mighty Christian sitting up on my perch looking down on all "sinners"? Quite the contrary, my friend. I don't know where you got your opinion of how Christians act, but if you think that that's how we all act, you are severely mistaken and mislead. I don't consider myself higher than anyone else, nor will I ever. In this day and time, the line between what is right and wrong is severely blurred. Right and wrong is no longer a black and white issue, it's ALOT more grey. I still try to see things in black and white myself. Maybe that's why I am attacked by those whose vision is a little blurred to right and wrong. If you had read my post entirely and focused on the whole thing instead just the P.S., you'd see that I DO tolerate homosexuals. I have never, ever made a slur against them or their lifestyle, because that only hurts me, nor will I ever. I don't hate people, I dislike the sin, especially the blatant, out-and-out, in-your-face kind that some homosexuals force down my throat with their parades and such. Do you ever see a heterosexual parade? Of course not. We'd be labeled as haters of everyone else that's different. Please explain how you think I sit up on my high and mighty perch and look down on others. I don't get that.
Wow this thread got way off topic..
..but to keep it going..just because the book of short stroies says homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean it truly is. Everyone has a different idea to what is wrong or right, depending on religion or personal preference. I don't judge people because I don't want to be judged as well for what I do and don't do. If reading an inspriational book makes people feel better about themselves, then so be it, everyone needs some kind of release. I just hate born-again-Christian people like Bush bringing religion into government, especially about issues of homosexuality and gay-marriage. I would think the gov't would be for gay marriage...it would keep the population boom from people like this overpopulating the planet.
Religious discussions like this may be better warranted over at www.billiards-pool.net
We "sinners" stick to AZB. LOL.
Just a rant and not directed at anyone.
..but to keep it going..just because the book of short stroies says homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean it truly is. Everyone has a different idea to what is wrong or right, depending on religion or personal preference. I don't judge people because I don't want to be judged as well for what I do and don't do. If reading an inspriational book makes people feel better about themselves, then so be it, everyone needs some kind of release. I just hate born-again-Christian people like Bush bringing religion into government, especially about issues of homosexuality and gay-marriage. I would think the gov't would be for gay marriage...it would keep the population boom from people like this overpopulating the planet.
Religious discussions like this may be better warranted over at www.billiards-pool.net
We "sinners" stick to AZB. LOL.
Just a rant and not directed at anyone.
I moved from Vancouver (pop ~ 3,000,000) to Salmon Arm (pop ~ 20,000) in 1995. The difference in tolerance is clearly evident! When i made the move i was in school, grade 9. In vancouver i went to school with kids of basicly every different race of people, and tolerance was not an issue, many schools white people were actually a minority. Then i moved here!! BIG DIFFERENCE! In a small town people arent as exposed to every different race of people. When i was in school down there, nobody would use the N word, joking or not. Here, nigger is used to refer to black people all the time, just jokingly mind you, but it is still common. I am definetly believe that a small town is way way less accepting of minority's.
A king lived on a tropical island and collected thrones. He had so many he could not fit all of them into the royal hut. He summoned the royal archetect to build an attic so that his treasures could be properly stored for posterity. One day, sitting on his new throne, reading the latest copy of his favorite billiard magazine, the attic collapsed and crushed his ass to death. Moral of this story: people who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones. YMMV
The sad part is, those people don't know how dumb they are.fxskater said:
I once worked with a country boy. He was part of a huge religeous cult ( sorry, it is a cult imo). He was so bigotted it was funny. He even believed girls can get pregnant from kissing or sitting in tub. He said his ministers wouldn't lie. lol