Moori Tip question

Duane Remick

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When I have a Moori tip installed, My cue doesnt sound" the same...almost like I have a plastic tip, or something, I dont like the sound it makes.
Any help, Any installation recommendations"
A friend says he presses his in a vise to keep them from mushrooming
Any info would be great, thanks
 
Duane remick said:
When I have a Moori tip installed, My cue doesnt sound" the same...almost like I have a plastic tip, or something, I dont like the sound it makes.
Any help, Any installation recommendations"
A friend says he presses his in a vise to keep them from mushrooming
Any info would be great, thanks
when you say, like a plastic tip" do you mean it has a small ping in it? If so, that's the sound a hard tip makes. I kinda like it. If you don't like it, just tell the person who installed the tip to not press it next time. It'll stop making that ping. As far as mushrooming goes, yeah it probably will mushroom so you'll end up shaving the edges from time to time.
 
Never press a layered tip. If your Moori is a Quick or Hard...then it may "ping" due to tip hardness. Big chance that your installer may of left a bit unglued, causing a bit of air under the tip. If your cue made no noise before the tip then its one of the above. If maybe it sounded odd a bit before...might need ferrule inspection. Do you have any type of thin tiny black line at the base of the ferrule where it meets the wood?
 
Varney Cues said:
Never press a layered tip. If your Moori is a Quick or Hard...then it may "ping" due to tip hardness. Big chance that your installer may of left a bit unglued, causing a bit of air under the tip. If your cue made no noise before the tip then its one of the above. If maybe it sounded odd a bit before...might need ferrule inspection. Do you have any type of thin tiny black line at the base of the ferrule where it meets the wood?
Thanks for your replies"
Cue and ferrule are in excellent shape, I may not be describing my issue correctly though...
With a Moori tip, the cue sounds kind of cheap" I cant stand it.
ANOTHER QUESTION, anybody have any experience with SUMO LAYERED TIPS?
thank you for your time
 
how does it play?

I have found many layered tips do make a noticeably different sound than the one pc traditional counterpart. I have used Tigers, Porpers, Moories, and others for myself and customers. Some make a distinct sound, almost plastic may be a possible description. Though I have never experienced one fall off or have a customer return one that fell off. I use Moori exclusively myself and I like the way they play. As do my customers, who now swear by them for the control they get. I have found that the med and hard Mooris may need one reshaping in their lifetime, and the life expectancy is way longer than any one layer tip out there. I never press any layered tip before installing them, but often press the one layer tips to avoid having to cut off the resulting mushrooms several times. It seems that mushrooming occurs more with some players than others. It may have something to do with their hitting further from center when making contact with the cue ball. And how hard that hit is. Many hit balls way too hard to get the postion because their stroke is lacking. IMHO
 
Does it make more of a dead "thud" more than a ping? That may be due to delamination from installation. It just doesn't sound solid does it?

The layered Sumo or Samurai is like a Talisman pro. Not a bad tip, IMO.

Duane remick said:
Thanks for your replies"
Cue and ferrule are in excellent shape, I may not be describing my issue correctly though...
With a Moori tip, the cue sounds kind of cheap" I cant stand it.
ANOTHER QUESTION, anybody have any experience with SUMO LAYERED TIPS?
thank you for your time
 
I wonder if there is an air-gap below the tip.
I'm partial to Kamuis now.
I hate the new Mooris. They shouldn't even have that name on them.
They are NOT Mooris.
 
I don't associate a plastic sound with Mine, but that could just be me. My personal has one of the shafts with a quick/hard, and It is pressed on top of that. sounds more like a solid board hitting the cue ball on end to me. It's a solid sound.

If it is making a flapping, papping, clicking, or ticking sound, then maybe a air gap, part of the tip coming unglued, or a lamination coming loose in the tip. You have to be carefull pressing mooris or they can delaminate. I had it happen once, I then starting backing off the pressure I used while pressing them, and have since to have It happen again with those tips, but it did happen when I overpressed that one time, so It's possible.
A loose ferrule can possibly make a simular noise also. I had one fool me into thinking it was the tip, and turned out to be the ferrule, I just could'nt twist the ferrule any, so assumed it was tight. Had loose inserts make simular sounds too, but It was easier to tell that It was farther up on the cue then at the tip or ferrule.
Another possibity is the tip is slightly miscueing if it's shined over really badly.
Without hearing It in person it would be hard to tell though, because there are so many different sounds to go on, and I know atleast I could easily misunderstand descriptions of them.

If It's a solid sound, then I would'nt worry about It much unless It's effecting your game.

Could even be Possible the tip is just too hard for your style. I put on soft, medium, and hard tips, and from what I see It really has nothing to do with skill level, just individual preferences. Personally I prefer a hard tip, but know players My level or higher that use softs, so it's really subjective.

If it were me, and it was to the point that the sound got in My head, irritated Me, and I did'nt think I could get over it, I'd probably try a different tip. That's assuming that there was'nt a hardware or installation problem. The sounds I most dislike are the ones I described above, they tend to erk me because I know something Is'nt right with the cue. even if the cue does'nt effect My game, the sound will.;) :D

Greg
 
Do you know how the tip was installed? If your tip guy used a razor blade, and he was cutting away from the ferrule to trim the tip flush, that sound you hear could very well be a delamination. I would describe such a sound as a "click."

-Roger (uses a rock hard triangle)
 
Ridge Runner said:
Sounds like a hard tip installed on a soft ferrule(pvc or abs). SUMO is a great tip IMO.
John
Once again,
thanks for everyone's imput, I appreciate your time
 
Ridge Runner said:
SUMO is a great tip IMO.
John
Sumo is in fact a great tip.
It is the standard tip that Mike Bender puts on his cues (when no special requests are made).
The tip is hard and does need a scuffing every now and then.

Myron
 
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