Mosconi cup needs to change.

Celtic

Celtic

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Seems to me the event should change from USA vs Europe, to America (including the USA and Canada) vs Europe vs Asia. 3 way event all in round robin format with the winners being decided by the best overall record. Could have every player on each team playing every player on the other teams for 1 point, then maybe 6 doubles matches for each team vs the other 2 teams (3 against each).

So say you have 6 players. Each player plays 12 singles matches, race to 5 alternate break against each player from the other team. Then you get teams set up with the 6 players, 3 2 player teams, and the teams play scotch doubles race to 5 alternate break. each team would play 6 matches, once against each other team from the other areas.

Would make alot more sense then the Mosconi cup as it is now. Neither the USA or Europe are the toughest area of the world to deal with so it is kind of weak to not include Asia, who would field one unreal team.
 
Celtic said:
Seems to me the event should change from USA vs Europe, to America (including the USA and Canada) vs Europe vs Asia. 3 way event all in round robin format with the winners being decided by the best overall record. Could have every player on each team playing every player on the other teams for 1 point, then maybe 6 doubles matches for each team vs the other 2 teams (3 against each).

Would make alot more sense then the Mosconi cup as it is now. Neither the USA or Europe are the toughest area of the world to deal with so it is kind of weak to not include Asia, who would field one unreal team.
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I think you may be on to somethig here, Celtic. I like the idea of bringing Canada into the mix, and if we're talking the North American mainland, you have to include Mexico, too. Still, I don't think it would have affected who was on this year's Mosconi team.

As for bringing Asia into the mix, let's face it, any six of Reyes, Bustamante, Chao, Yang, Manalo, Sambajon, Lining and Kiamco, would make one scary good team.

Having said all that, however, I also love the current format for the Mosconi Cup, and can't wait until it starts.
 
They do have a tournament which all the participating countries play in, it is call- the World Pool Championships.

The Mosconi cup is the equivlent of the Ryder cup in Golf and the Mosconi Cup should stay the way it is. Why do we need to include the whole world in this event?

If the rest of the world wants there own "Mosconi Cup", let them honor one of there countrymen, name a event after there own, and find a competitor to play against. Example: The Reyes Cup, The Phillippines vs China. Canada v Mexico.

This is a nice competition between two continents that fits into a nice package just the way it is. It is not to say that it will not change in the future....
 
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JustPlay said:
This is a nice competition between two continents that fits into a nice package just the way it is. It is not to say that it will not change in the future....
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If it's going to be continent vs continent anyone from Canada, Mexico and Latin America should be able to play for us! Otherwise it's continent vs country!!
 
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SJM,

If there is a contential cup team, then that is their "Mosconi Cup" and leave it at that. I didn't state it was continent V continent. Like I stated before, its the pool version of The Ryder cup.
 
The continental cup was held in Taichung 2 or 3 summers ago, the venue was a 5 minutes drive away, but it was so packed there i didnt even wanna try to get in! Anyways, it was a great tournament to watch. Kinda like a 9-ball world cup. It was great. Interesting to see team play in an otherwise individual sport. I would defnitely like to watch an event involving teams from around the world rather than just US and Europe. Mosconi Cup leaves out too many great players IMO.

Tim.
 
JustPlay said:
This is a nice competition between two continents that fits into a nice package just the way it is. It is not to say that it will not change in the future....
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It's a competition between a COUNTRY and a CONTINENT, grumbles a cold, tired Canadian ... Don't forget, we're bigger than you, and we won the last war :)

So here's a question. How long has the Mosconi Cup been running (sorry for my ignorance) ? If it is a long running event, then I agree that it should be left as it is. If not, then it could be adjusted to maintain it's status as a premier competition. At present it exlcudes the top area for pool, Asia. The exclusion of Canada does not, imCo, diminish the event to any great degree, if at all. I think that both the US team and European team would have great difficulty beating an Asian team, based on what we've been seeing lately. Therefore, one might conlcude that any preference by US fans/officials/players to keep the format as-is might be an attempt to improve their odds of winning by not including the best team.

Dave (who is about to practice his ducking and weaving while wearing an asbestos suit)
 
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Leave the Mosconi the way it is. What we need is a World Pool Team Championship where you have countries vs countries, use the same format as the European team championships where the teams play 8ball, 9ball, and straight pool, each match won is a point and the first team to reach the designated point total against another country moves on. This years winner in the ETC was Holland with Feijen, VD Berg, Lely, Dics, and Huidji See.
This type of an event is long overdue.
 
JustPlay said:
The Mosconi cup is the equivlent of the Ryder cup in Golf and the Mosconi Cup should stay the way it is. Why do we need to include the whole world in this event?
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Biggest reason? Because no matter who wins it does not mean they are the best. When it was done in the beginning the winner could honestly be thought of as the best area in the world for pool, not anymore. If the USA or Europe wins I am going to care little since they cut out one of the strongest areas of the world. If you want the event to mean as much as it can you cannot have two areas of the world competing for second best in the world. Those two countries would be well served by getting the Asians into the mix, it would probably wake the pool world up to the fact that the USA and Europe are falling way behind in the sport and if things dont change soon they are going to get run over. Plus, lets face it this sport is not huge, it needs world wide exposure and the Mosconi cup is one event that is already fairly well known. The fact Mosconi was from the states makes little sense as a arguement to me since it is already and has always been a "international" competition. It is the States vs Europe, why not the States vs the world? Would it not mean more then? Right now IMO the end result means little, as SJM said, who would beat the Asians? IMO the Mosconi cup winners will be second place to the winners by default of exclusion, Asia.
 
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Biggest reason? Because no matter who wins it does not mean they are the best... as SJM said, who would beat the Asians? IMO the Mosconi cup winners will be second place to the winners by default of exclusion, Asia.
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Reyes, Bustamante, Chao, Yang, Manalo, Sambajon, Lining, Kiamco, not sure about Pagulayan.... Asia is ridiculously strong with or without Alex. The world already knows Asia is best, as they proved at the WPC.

Still, Celtic, there's room for both The Mosconi Cup and a World Team Championship event. We don't have to reshape an event that we already love into a World Team Championship.

FYI, in golf, the US competes against Europe in the Ryder cup and against the rest of the world in the comparatively new President's Cup, both great events. When faced with the reality that golf excellence had become so golbal, golf promoters didn't add a team including guys like Els, Price, Singh, Parry, Appleby, and others to fix the Ryder Cup, they just created another event. Pool can do the same.
 
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DaveKhome said:
It's a competition between a COUNTRY and a CONTINENT, grumbles a cold, tired Canadian ... Don't forget, we're bigger than you, and we won the last war :)

So here's a question. How long has the Mosconi Cup been running (sorry for my ignorance) ? If it is a long running event, then I agree that it should be left as it is.....



I think the Mosconi cup has been running for about 10 years.
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sjm said:
Reyes, Bustamante, Chao, Yang, Manalo, Sambajon, Lining, Kiamco, not sure about Pagulayan.... Asia is ridiculously strong with or without Alex. The world already knows Asia is best, as they proved at the WPC.

Still, Celtic, there's room for both The Mosconi Cup and a World Team Championship event. We don't have to reshape an event that we already love into a World Team Championship.

FYI, in golf, the US competes against Europe in the Ryder cup and against the rest of the world in the comparatively new President's Cup, both great events. When faced with the reality that golf excellence had become so golbal, golf promoters didn't add a team including guys like Els, Price, Singh, Parry, Appleby, and others to fix the Ryder Cup, they just created another event. Pool can do the same.
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This is exactly how this situation should be handled! And this argument will come up in the near future after this years Mosconi Cup with the people who produce this event. Also, SNIPER as well has a excellent solution. Team championships.

If someone from Europe can chim in on there thoughts in this discussion, their perspective would be welcomed...
 
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