most important in a cues looks!

justabrake said:
Hi-Fred, it's like this> Pawnmon "Said" 10. Rounded Off CNC'd Points

and you said "I don't mean to pick on your post, but for the rest of the readers, we need to stop equating rounded points and inlays with CNC work. That only continues what I believe is a bum wrap for a CNC.

Rounded points are simply due to the use of a router (rotary) cutter to do a flat-bottom milled pocket, and nothing to do with the fabulous technology of a CNC controlled mill.

I think pawnmon doesn't like point's that aren't sharp or finished with an exacto blade , so my reply is mark bear cues doesn't use a CNC machine eveything is done by hand so that means no rounded points on his work! does that make any sence to you!

Steven
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No, it doesn't make any sense to me because you also put the "CNC" term in there as well. Again, and I can't strongly say it enough,

Please stop using the term CNC when you mean "ROUNDED CORNERS"!!!

Does THAT make sense to everyone???? If you guys mean "rounded corner" then say, "rounded corners."



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I'd be shocked if someone can't make a full-spliced cue with a CNC machine, and with sharp points. There are many cuemakers that use a CNC to do sharp, V-bottom half-spliced cues today. So, please, everyone:

Please stop using the term CNC when you mean "ROUNDED CORNERS"!!!

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
No, it doesn't make any sense to me because you also put the "CNC" term in there as well. Again, and I can't strongly say it enough,

Please stop using the term CNC when you mean "ROUNDED CORNERS"!!!

Does THAT make sense to everyone???? If you guys mean "rounded corner" then say, "rounded corners."



Furthermore:

I'd be shocked if someone can't make a full-spliced cue with a CNC machine, and with sharp points. There are many cuemakers that use a CNC to do sharp, V-bottom half-spliced cues today. So, please, everyone:

Please stop using the term CNC when you mean "ROUNDED CORNERS"!!!

Fred
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Fred -how is the CNC machine going to give you a SHARP POINT, please explain!

Steven
 
To add graphics to what Fred means by CNC assisted pointy points. CNC cavity and CNC point stock full cue length 7 points v-splice.
 

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justabrake said:
Hi-everyone, what's the most important look in a cue for you!, I seem to favor the the butt end for looks and a notty forearm look!,

I don't go for point's ,but I do like verners, I like a dark butt handle preferable black, dark brown, with inlays of MOP shaped like old palmer cues had, burst of stars or some kind of viking emblem, but the butt of the cue is the most important part of the cue for me,

what do you look for in cues!:)
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I like straight veneer work. I also like the contrast of ivory into a dark wood, i dont like ivory inalid into lighter color woods...... i could go on and on and on............................
 
justabrake said:
all finished points have to be finished by hand a cnc machine will only stop at the end and it won't be sharp.

Steven
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"All finished points"? When I splice a butt I don't have to use a knife to finish the points they are already sharp. You also say "mark bear cues doesn't use a CNC machine eveything is done by hand" what is he doing by hand? All cues are built by machines whether manual or cnc. Heck, you can build spliced butts with cnc, whats the knock on cnc? If it is the old flat bottom vs. spliced points argument that has nothing to do with cnc, you can cut flat botton points with a manual pano.
 
justabrake said:
Fred -how is the CNC machine going to give you a SHARP POINT, please explain!

Steven
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Are you under the impression all cnc machines do it cut flat bottomed pockets on cues? Almost every process in building the cue from cutting shafts to spraying the finish can be done by cnc. Why is the term so synonymous with rounded points? If I use a manual pano is the radius of the cutter not left at the end of the point, and no cnc was used. Can cnc give you sharp points, of course.
 
macguy said:
"All finished points"? When I splice a butt I don't have to use a knife to finish the points they are already sharp. You also say "mark bear cues doesn't use a CNC machine eveything is done by hand" what is he doing by hand? All cues are built by machines whether manual or cnc. Heck, you can build spliced butts with cnc, whats the knock on cnc? If it is the old flat bottom vs. spliced points argument that has nothing to do with cnc, you can cut flat botton points with a manual pano.
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are they really sharp sharp
 
justabrake said:
whats more precise a pantograph or CNC machine
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I have a feeling you don't know what I am talking about. I don't cut points with a pantograph. cnc can make spliced points as well as flat points so to use the term "CNC" to only mean flat bottoms points is not correct. If I say I cut my points with cnc, it does not mean they are flat bottomed or rounded. You need to add more dimension to your thinking, anything can be done using computer operated machines, even brain surgery.
 
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macguy said:
I have a feeling you don't know what I am talking about. I don't cut points with a pantograph. cnc can make spliced points as well as flat points so to use the term "CNC" to only mean flat bottoms points is not correct. If I say I cut my points with cnc, it does not mean they are flat bottomed or rounded. You need to add more dimension to your thinking, anything can be done using computer operated machines, even brain surgery.
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sure you can make splice points with the cnc but isn't the blade rounded
 
justabrake said:
sure you can make splice points with the cnc but isn't the blade rounded
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You can't get past that image of a cnc router. I can run a table saw cnc. I can cut points with a straight bit set at 45 degrees with cnc. I could set up a paint booth and spray with cnc. cnc just takes the place of a live operator.
 
macguy said:
That just shows doing inlay work not point building. I am sorry you can't understand.
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it doesn't matter whats it doing the blade is ROUND and can't make anything sharp. thats my point, I have read where cues being made by cnc and the cue makers have to cut in with an exacto knife to make the points really sharp they also say they cut there veerners with the knife to get the same afect , I'm woundering how your cues come out must be pretty shitty work
 
justabrake said:
it doesn't matter whats it doing the blade is ROUND and can't make anything sharp. thats my point, I have read where cues being made by cnc and the cue makers have to cut in with an exacto knife to make the points really sharp they also say they cut there veerners with the knife to get the same afect , I'm woundering how your cues come out must be pretty shitty work
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you don't know what your talking about period! you can rough a pocket with a round flat bottom cutter and finnish with a "degreed" cutter. as stated before cnc is not the problem for the rounded point tips it's, among others, the fact that for some it's not as economical to use a cutter with a specific degree to finnish the pockets and then hand contour the part to fit into the v-grove pocket. i suggest if you want to learn a little about cnc go through some of my posts and in some of those threads it all has been explained already. it's funny how often this subject rears it ugly head by people who don't know a thing about cue making, it makes me and many others sit back and wonder what makes people make definitive statements on the subject when they've not even 10% of the info on the subject. i know this post sounds harsh but i'm trully getting tired of the rehashing of "non truths" posted by ignorant people.
 
justabrake said:
it doesn't matter whats it doing the blade is ROUND and can't make anything sharp. thats my point, I have read where cues being made by cnc and the cue makers have to cut in with an exacto knife to make the points really sharp they also say they cut there veerners with the knife to get the same afect , I'm woundering how your cues come out must be pretty shitty work
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Your comments speak for themselves, you don't know anything of what you are talking about and I have no interest in teaching you cue building. If you knew anything my comment about 45 degrees and a straight cutter should have answered you question. I can't hold your hand till you understand.

Your lack of knowledge and understanding of machines makes it impossible to continue this conversation. Since you have chosen to make such a rude comment in your post, I have no problem saying it is obvious you are incapable or not smart enough to understand. I'm sorry but it is not rocket science.
 
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