Road Warrior said:
How about the match between Sigel and Schmidt where Sigel breaks his cue
. Listening to the commentators say he slipped just cracks me up.
Most Perfect 14.1 Run You've Seen on Video
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How about the match between Sigel and Schmidt where Sigel breaks his cue
. Listening to the commentators say he slipped just cracks me up.
dave sutton
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JLW said:
i agree. best one ive ever seen. ive studied it. he gets out of line one time and shoots the ball down tablelike it was a hanger.
im glad someone else shares my feelings.
the opening shot was great! seigel came to pay that day
dallas west had a big run on the next table during that match.
i had a tape:
1 jim rempe: how to run a rack in straight pool
2 jim rempe: how to run 100 balls
3 seigel vs. zugland - 150 and out
all on the same tape
my straight pool bible!!! i wanted it every night before bed and while i slept
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Rempe played fantastic straight pool. His 1989 match with Varner is a good one if you can find it, he runs 133 and out.
Any of the 2000 14.1 US Open tapes with Rempe are excellent. He beats Ginky 150 to -12 (great player review tape), then loses two heartbreaking matches where he runs 85-96 balls and then Ortmann or Engert run out.
Grady's 102 and out at the 1995 Maine Event against Dallas West was also a great run.
Any of the 2000 14.1 US Open tapes with Rempe are excellent. He beats Ginky 150 to -12 (great player review tape), then loses two heartbreaking matches where he runs 85-96 balls and then Ortmann or Engert run out.
Grady's 102 and out at the 1995 Maine Event against Dallas West was also a great run.
Road Warrior said:
Dallas West vs. Mike Zuglan, also from the 1992 US Open, is a great match. Dallas runs 57, comes up with no shot after the break, Zuglan runs 48, then Dallas runs 93 and out. Dallas plays an older style of game (as pointed out several times during the match by Johnny Ervolino), where he's chipping away at the rack and moving balls, as opposed to the Sigel style where he explodes the rack and rarely moves a ball. It's a great tape, especially if you want to see that style of game played at the highest level.
dave sutton
Banned
well when it comes to straight pool the old school guys are the best. they played the game very simple.
Harriman - Schmidt TAR matchup
You all have to get the Harriman - Schmidt straight pool match that TAR put out. It is a great battle, with good runs in the 40's, 50's and even a 100+ from Schmidt on the way to a close finish (going to 400).
Harriman is the more aggressive of the two, in particular with his break shots where he sometimes has so much angle you just can't believe he's going to take the shot, but he spears it in and gets a great spread.
Schmidt is also aggressive a few times, though, like once when he makes a 4 ball combination that's not at all lined up!
I learned a lot about theory anyway, even if I can't execute.
You all have to get the Harriman - Schmidt straight pool match that TAR put out. It is a great battle, with good runs in the 40's, 50's and even a 100+ from Schmidt on the way to a close finish (going to 400).
Harriman is the more aggressive of the two, in particular with his break shots where he sometimes has so much angle you just can't believe he's going to take the shot, but he spears it in and gets a great spread.
Schmidt is also aggressive a few times, though, like once when he makes a 4 ball combination that's not at all lined up!
I learned a lot about theory anyway, even if I can't execute.
Jimmy M. said:
Technically the best straight pool match I've watched. On several of the racks Ervolino actually calls all the shots when there is something like 8 or more balls left in the rack. Dallas West was magnificent.
Jimmy M. said:
Thanks for posting this. This is the one tape I've been wanting to get, and after this post I'm finally going to order it. I have the Reyes/West match and the Varner/West match from Accustats. Both tapes don't show enough of Dallas doing his thing. But there was a taste of his style of play that left me wanting more. I got the impression he really sees the balls in a different way.
Jeff
Jimmy M. said:
I have to say I was excited to see this match and ordered it. But the way Dallas ran the balls wasn't as unique as I expected. The way he ran the last few racks when he sped up his shooting tempo was nice to watch, but still not all that unique. I didn't see it as chipping away at the rack so much as clearing the open balls before going back into the remaining cluster for just one more breakout. This is something I'll certainly try doing. It allows for more space to move around as well as avoiding bumping balls into already open ones.
Commentating, I love the threesome of Grady Matthews, Bill Staton, and Johnny Ervolino. It's always a treat to hear Grady and Bill, and Johnny was truly impressive, as he was in the Sigel 150 and out tape against Zuglan. He seems to see the table a bit differently, and I only wish I could have taken some lessons from him while he was still alive. I would have picked his brain and paid well for it. Obviously a very knowledgable man about straight pool layouts. It almost makes me want to get the Ervolino match against Strickland, but I wonder if it really shows enough strategy that's significantly different from the tapes I have.
I have straight pool matches showing Sigel, Mizerak, Zuglan, Varner, West, Grady, Efren, Ortmann, Chin, Souquet, Engert, Rempe, Garcia, Crane, and Massey. I even have a short run of Mosconi's. I also have the Mike Schmidt 245 DVD. Probably plenty to learn from.
I think I'm looking too hard for the perfect way of running balls, and I always think the answer is in the next tape. Maybe I already think fine, and just need to practice the embarassingly easy shots that often end my runs.
I don't regret the purchase of the West/Zuglan match. I was just expecting too much.
Jeff
By the way, for me, watching Mizerak is the most enjoyable. There's just an effortlessness and rhythm to the way he played. Of the tapes I have, the Mizerak/Sigel match in '89 is my favorite, but of course, way too short in length.
I also ejoy the Reyes/West match at the 2000 US Open. Efren plays with the same fluidity and rhythm that makes spectating a meditation.
Jeff
I also ejoy the Reyes/West match at the 2000 US Open. Efren plays with the same fluidity and rhythm that makes spectating a meditation.
Jeff
Sigel's 150-and-out against Zuglan in '92 is also the best I've ever seen. Crane's 150-and-out against Balsis is also legendary, of course.
Other notable matches I can think of...
Mizerak's win over Sigel in 1989, where I think the Miz ran 104.
Zuglan's 148 against Ray Martin, which I think was later in the same day in '92 after Sigel ran that 150 on him. Zuglan was 2 balls away from 150-and-out when he got funny on a ball and had to shoot a combination that missed. Mike feigned shooting himself in the head after the match for not getting the 150 ball run.
Sigel's 150-and-out against Rempe in 1989 was very suspenseful, though not nearly as flawless as his '92 run. IIRC, Sigel broke, Rempe came with a very tough shot that he hit perfectly, only to get an unfavorable kiss and end up without a shot. Rempe then played a touchy little safety trying to stick the cueball on the endrail under the rack behind a ball. He barely, barely missed hiding the cueball, left a tough shot in the side pocket that Sigel made, and 149 balls later it was over.
Finally, there was Sigel's 2nd round match against Varner in 2000 after Sigel lost his comeback opener to Schmidt, and Varner also dropped his first-round match. Incredible play by both players, with Sigel getting out in 2 innings with a run of 64 after a safety battle in between and a 60+ something run by Varner after Sigel opened with an 86.
Other notable matches I can think of...
Mizerak's win over Sigel in 1989, where I think the Miz ran 104.
Zuglan's 148 against Ray Martin, which I think was later in the same day in '92 after Sigel ran that 150 on him. Zuglan was 2 balls away from 150-and-out when he got funny on a ball and had to shoot a combination that missed. Mike feigned shooting himself in the head after the match for not getting the 150 ball run.
Sigel's 150-and-out against Rempe in 1989 was very suspenseful, though not nearly as flawless as his '92 run. IIRC, Sigel broke, Rempe came with a very tough shot that he hit perfectly, only to get an unfavorable kiss and end up without a shot. Rempe then played a touchy little safety trying to stick the cueball on the endrail under the rack behind a ball. He barely, barely missed hiding the cueball, left a tough shot in the side pocket that Sigel made, and 149 balls later it was over.
Finally, there was Sigel's 2nd round match against Varner in 2000 after Sigel lost his comeback opener to Schmidt, and Varner also dropped his first-round match. Incredible play by both players, with Sigel getting out in 2 innings with a run of 64 after a safety battle in between and a 60+ something run by Varner after Sigel opened with an 86.