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Ironhead1970

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I been doing my Mother drills just for one week I do them Monday thru Friday. Took the 3 day class with Randy G in Dallas, TX last week. Since then I've been following his advice I do my stroke drill at 11am when the pool hall close to me in SA opens, them I leave it only takes about 15-20 minutes, I come back around 2 pm and do my speed drill which takes about 30 minutes? Now my question is how long till you start seeing your game improve? I know it takes some time and it's only been a week and while I was playing in my league this week I was doing mantra in my head and focusing on my stroke and I lost just about every game I played. I know in my head if I keep doing what I'm doing with the drills I'll be kicking everyone's butt in my league before to long. I'm just being a whiner because I lost. Want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong?
 
You need to separate your practice from play, until you have ingrained your mantra and new habits into your game.

How long will it take, it depends upon you.


Ironhead1970 said:
I been doing my Mother drills just for one week I do them Monday thru Friday. Took the 3 day class with Randy G in Dallas, TX last week. Since then I've been following his advice I do my stroke drill at 11am when the pool hall close to me in SA opens, them I leave it only takes about 15-20 minutes, I come back around 2 pm and do my speed drill which takes about 30 minutes? Now my question is how long till you start seeing your game improve? I know it takes some time and it's only been a week and while I was playing in my league this week I was doing mantra in my head and focusing on my stroke and I lost just about every game I played. I know in my head if I keep doing what I'm doing with the drills I'll be kicking everyone's butt in my league before to long. I'm just being a whiner because I lost. Want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong?
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There are two mind sets, practice and play. Doing Mother Drills is your practice mind learning a new skill. Doing Mother Drills over time ingrains the process into your muscles and mind and makes the movements automatic. That's the ideal playing mind.

At a minimum a month or two, but a lot just depends on how you learn things. There really is no answer. My advice is just stay with the drills and enjoy the process.
 
Studies have shown that creating new habits takes about 8 weeks.

Source: The Little Book of Talent.

Have fun :)

John
 
What are "Mother Drills"?
I did a search and read through one page of results. The most I could find was that Scott Lee (I've seen him here on AZB) has used them when teaching folks. I also got the impression that they are just the very basics: stance, bridge, stroke, etc.
 
Drills or no, it takes as long as it takes. Very seldom, if ever, do drills myself.
 
Ironhead1970 said:
I been doing my Mother drills just for one week I do them Monday thru Friday. Took the 3 day class with Randy G in Dallas, TX last week. Since then I've been following his advice I do my stroke drill at 11am when the pool hall close to me in SA opens, them I leave it only takes about 15-20 minutes, I come back around 2 pm and do my speed drill which takes about 30 minutes? Now my question is how long till you start seeing your game improve? I know it takes some time and it's only been a week and while I was playing in my league this week I was doing mantra in my head and focusing on my stroke and I lost just about every game I played. I know in my head if I keep doing what I'm doing with the drills I'll be kicking everyone's butt in my league before to long. I'm just being a whiner because I lost. Want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong?
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I've heard guys on the PGA golf tour say that if they thought about swing mechanics on the golf course during competition, they wouldn't break 85, so I have to assume the same applies in all sports. I've been told the learning will come much faster through practice than play. If you are analytical minded, it's tough not to think about whatever you're working on but you have to try.
 
Ched said:
What are "Mother Drills"?
I did a search and read through one page of results. The most I could find was that Scott Lee (I've seen him here on AZB) has used them when teaching folks. I also got the impression that they are just the very basics: stance, bridge, stroke, etc.
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They are a set of stroke and speed drills that go along with what Randy g and Scott teach. They probably won't be posted out if respect to those instructors and anyone under that teaching tree.
 
denwhit said:
I've heard guys on the PGA golf tour say that if they thought about swing mechanics on the golf course during competition, they wouldn't break 85.
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But while practicing that is all they think about.
The thing to remember is....... don't think when performing.

I've been told that learning will come much faster through practice than play.
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Many people say the opposite........ quicker through play than practice.
Yes, ask any Elite Athlete and wait for a discourse about training and practice.

If you are analytical minded, it's tough not to think about whatever you're working on but you have to try.
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Correct. Don't think (over think) when shooting.

See the aim line.
Commit to the shot.
Stop Thinking.
Do your practiced "pre-shot routine" without thinking.
Shoot.
Analyze.
Correct.
Repeat.
 
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tuffstuff07 said:
They are a set of stroke and speed drills that go along with what Randy g and Scott teach. They probably won't be posted out if respect to those instructors and anyone under that teaching tree.
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works for me - thanks. Wasn't trying to get anyone's secrets, just curious.
 
denwhit said:
I've heard guys on the PGA golf tour say that if they thought about swing mechanics on the golf course during competition, they wouldn't break 85, so I have to assume the same applies in all sports. I've been told the learning will come much faster through practice than play. If you are analytical minded, it's tough not to think about whatever you're working on but you have to try.
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Been playing both since I was around 7-8 yrs old.

That statement is spot on.

During practice a player should set aside time to get to know their stroke/swing in great detail in a conscious way. When you know it that well when something goes wrong it's easier to identify and correct the error.

I always came to the first golf hole in competition w the mentality that practice is over, the trying something I'm not sure I can do is over, I know my game and I'm here to play that game. Run w what you brung!

I used to shark players golfing w me by asking "how are you gripping the club, I've been working on it" and then show them a couple positions. I knew how to grip exactly and what happened when I changed it up.

Easy money.
 
mchnhed said:
Many people say the opposite........ quicker through play than practice.
Yes, ask any Elite Athlete and wait for a discourse about training and practice.


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I suppose "learning" can be an individual thing. For me, I learn a shot better when I can hit it 20-30 times in a row fully taking in the results, over shooting it once or twice in a match. But, that's just me.
 
strmanglr scott said:
Been playing both since I was around 7-8 yrs old.

That statement is spot on.

During practice a player should set aside time to get to know their stroke/swing in great detail in a conscious way. When you know it that well when something goes wrong it's easier to identify and correct the error.

I always came to the first golf hole in competition w the mentality that practice is over, the trying something I'm not sure I can do is over, I know my game and I'm here to play that game. Run w what you brung!

I used to shark players golfing w me by asking "how are you gripping the club, I've been working on it" and then show them a couple positions. I knew how to grip exactly and what happened when I changed it up.

Easy money.
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are you proud of the bolded statement above ??
 
Many times I have been asked for a copy of the Mother Drills. On the outside, it would seem like they don't have a lot of purpose. That's where the instruction on HOW to use them to create and ingrain your "deadstroke" process comes in. 90%+ of the SPF students who follow their own regimen will see dramatic improvement, with the right kind and right amount of practice. It's not so much what you do, as how you do it.

To Ironhead...keep pluggin' away! For most students who can practice a little each day, most see improvement in 2-4 weeks. Others take longer, even up to a year (for those that take that long, usually they are not practicing correctly, or are not practicing often enough). Like the other SPF instructors have told you (Randy too), you have to separate practice from playing. While at the competitive table, you cannot "think" and "play". You're supposed to finish each practice session with some free play. When you're doing your free play, and you start having deja vu experiences, that's the time to take your new routine to the game table. For now, when you go to play league, don't try so hard to incorporate everything in your mantra. Just go to league and play. You'll win some and lose some. Just keep practicing with discipline! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
 
One of the Mother Drills is long distance stop shots (OB near 2nd diamond, CB near 2nd diamond at other end of the table, both balls near the same long rail). I don't recall how may stop shots the SPF instructors recommend per session, but it's not a lot (dozen?).

By contrast both Bert Kinister and Tor Lowry are advocates of practicing a huge number of long distance stop shots. When I was learning from Bert, I did 100 a day 5 days a week. Eventually I did more than 20,000. It maintains your fundamentals.

Also, for any player that lacks a stroke / draw-shot, they need to also do stop shots at various distances.
 
To the OP, I had a lesson with Scott in November, and I can say that I have improved, but, there is no magic solution in this game. Believe me if there was I would have found it. I am a low C player and I want badly to find the magic potion to make me an A over night but it just doesnt work that way. Quality table time is the only way to make it happen and Im resigned to the fact that it takes years to get good not months, no matter what drills you are doing. I can also repeat what is said here daily, play opponents better than you so you get punished for misses and you see how they move the white around the table.
 
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