Movie or Real Life?

cjr3559

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OK, I've probably watched too many movies and believe that what I've seen in "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" happen in real life.

Let me explain:

Today was the second time in two weekends that I've hung out at a local room for a couple hours practicing by myself, and on both occasions I've been approached by someone looking to play.

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but the last time, I politely told the guy I wasn't interested and he walked away. Today though, I was approached again by someone who pretty much was staggering around and reeked of alcohol, and this was at 1:00 in the afternoon. I didn't mind talking to him, as he seemed pleasant enough (he wasn't a beligerent loud-mouth drunk), but his comments about the table layout and my choice of shots brought my session to a halt. So we shot the breeze for a bit.

I really didn't have a problem, he was a nice guy and all. If I can recall, he hadn't shaved (though neither had I), he was missing a front tooth, wearing a dirty cap, and his clothes were all dishoveled though they appeared to be clean. But like I said, the main thing I noticed was the strong smell of alcohol on his breath, not to mention he was noticably intoxicated.

Well, I didn't feel like talking forever, and there's only so much you can talk about with a complete stranger that you don't really care to know, so I asked if he wanted to play a game. He said that sounded good, and he kept making it sound like he wasn't all that good of a player. Thing is, I had a feeling he wasn't as bad as he was making himself out to be. When I was shooting by myself, his comments were right on the money about angles and what not, so I was pretty sure he knew what he was doing. I felt a need to be careful.

He offered to rack and wanted me to break. I told him he needed to get a cue because he still hadn't gotten one yet. :confused: Now neither of us had decided what game to play, but he racked them for 8-ball, so I guess that was the game we were going to play.

I broke and didn't make anything in. He came up to the table put a stripe down that had settled into one of the corner foot pockets. He then proceeded to miss his next shot. Then it was my turn. I will have to admit, the table was sitting decently for me, though there was a tough cluster near the rack that had a couple of mine tied up with a couple of his and the 8 that would need tending to eventually.

I then made a couple in a row, and then attempted to play safe. He followed with making one, then missed, but left the cue ball in a good position for me. I made a couple more, and before I knew it, I had 3 to go compared to his 5, but I knew (and he knew) that cluster was going to be a problem.

He came back to the table and made another, then missed. Again, he left me a decent shot to make my last open ball before I had to contend with the cluster. I made it. Now I had some decisions to make. There were no open shots, and I didn't want to break the game wide open, because even though this guy appeared to be drunk, when it came to shooting, he was able to put them away when he needed to. So I kicked at one of my balls in the cluster and left him safe.

We traded safeties for a couple innings, and he might have made one more in, but I was still leading the game. This is when I made my only mistake of the game. I went for an agressive kick that I shouldn't have, and accidentally made his 12-ball. Now we were looking at 2 a piece remaining, but the table was wide open, and the balls were all sitting pretty well. Especially his, as one was practically in a corner pocket.

All of the sudden I had to concentrate. I made my 5-ball. All I had left was the 1-ball, but the 8 was frozen to center of the foot rail. Not a whole lot I could do, so I played a safety shot and didn't leave him much.

He got one more in, and we were even. I then made my 1-ball, and all I had left was the 8. Not much I could do with it, though, so I left another long shot for him while trying to get the 8 close to a corner pocket at the foot of the table. He missed another long shot, but left the cue ball near the head rail, but within the kitchen. This set up a longish shot for me, which I was able to handle, and won the game. Even though he was loopy, I actually felt pretty good about the win, because I made some good shots (the 8 especially).

Now this is a long story, and thanks if you're still reading, but I seriously was wondering if he was just baiting me along. After I left, I keep thinking about "The Color of Money" scenario when Eddie was playing Grady Mathews' character "Dud", where he beat him handily and his confidence was boosted only to play Amos later and get beaten pretty badly.

Does this kind of stuff happen in real life? Was this drunk guy just a tease? Like I said, I probably watch too many movies and take them literally, but I still feel that some movies are based on real life. Who knows. Either way, it was nice playing someone. I'll have to say, it was more fun playing someone I didn't know rather than playing my friends! It was more exciting or something.

Oh boy, I'm in trouble... :help: :wink: :cool:
 
Some of those sorts of things really happen. Those movies just tend to romanticize the main character. Other movies like pool hall junkies just try to make being a pool player look cool.
 
you bet

More than once I've seen posters here refer to some of the good players to which (even large amounts of) alcohol doesn't affect their playing ability.......

Actually, if somebody wants to play for money and reeks of alcohol, I wouldn't for 2 reasons I could think of....

1) Even if he's not hustling you, I would consider it probably bad action......

2) lf he IS hustling you, you probably deserve it because you were looking to win money from a drunk......
 
Chuck (2) said:
If I can recall, he hadn't shaved (though neither had I), he was missing a front tooth, wearing a dirty cap, and his clothes were all dishoveled though they appeared to be clean. But like I said, the main thing I noticed was the strong smell of alcohol on his breath, not to mention he was noticably intoxicated.

This was in Oklahoma City, wasn't it? I know this guy.
 
I always like to try and get a cheap game and see where it leads for the entertainment value of it. Its fun to see what some will do to try and hustle some out of there money.

Once, long before I started playing pool seriously, I was in 11th grade, I was at a bowling alley that had a game room with 2 small tables in it. I was shooting some pool for fun and this guy, probably mid 20's asked if I wanted to play, so we played a game for fun, I won, and he asked if I wanted to play for money. I said sure, he turned around and nodded to his girl friend who went outside and then came back in with his personal pool cue, he says he wants to play for $2.50 a game, I say sure. So we play, I beat him barely the first game and he says double or nothin so we play again, I beat him pretty easily the second game, he pays me with a few dollars and most in small change, dimes, nickles, pennies, then puts his cue away and leaves. I still laugh everytime I think about that one.
 
i doubt he was baiting you because, nothing later that night happened right?


he was probaly once a good pool player and now hes just a drunk.
 
I gotta say it sounds like baiting to me. It may or may not be, but it is very possible.

I will say that it is amazing just how powerful a first impression is. When you play someone for the first time, you are trying to establish who is better. You are seeing how your game ranks against theirs. Many people make this assessment too early.

In my experience the first 3-4 games are key. Suppose I play you for the very first time and you know nothing about me. You will be curious as how we match up. I have found that generally if you keep it fairly close and let them win the very first 3 games ( maybe 4 at most). People will take that to decide that they are in fact the better player. Now you can win the next 7-8 games in a row, before that first impression starts to wear off. Because you have completely convinced yourself that you are better, anything good that I do is just "luck". It is especially easy to acomplish in 9 ball.


I do want to address one thing that I noticed in your story. You were keeping score of the 8 ball game by how many balls remain on the table. This is not the proper way to judge who has an advantage.

I love it when I am in the middle of a game of 8 ball and a friend of theirs comes by and asks how they are doing, and they respond " great, I am winning, I only have 2 ball left and he has 5". THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING A TRUE STATEMENT!

It is common knowledge that the WORST thing you can do is break a rack of 8 ball, run 6-7 balls and miss. I will still have ALL my balls left on the table, you have 1 ball and the eight left. In this case I AM FAVORED TO WIN.

It is much harder to run 6 balls on table with 8 balls in your way that are "off limits" than it is to run all 8 on a wide open table. So even assuming that you and your opponent are equals this table will favor him. This is especially true when playing standard ball in hand rules.

You have 1 ball left, I have 7. Odds are VERY good even if I am an average player that I will have a makeable shot when you miss. Odds are good that I will continue to have makeable shots as I continue my run. If I get into trouble at any time, I only have to play a safety on your 1 ball (using any one of my remaining balls) to keep control of the table.

When there is a cluster with balls from both goups, nobody can win untill that is solved. The number of other balls really do not matter. Depending on who has available break balls handy will have a better chance.


I do not know if this guy quit on you or what. If you see him again,(and i have a feeling you will) I am sure he will play you again. It is very possible he is baiting the hook. Although I have played guys in the past who did ALL of the classic ( and cliched) moves, and were NOT hustling. If you are concerned about it and do not want to suckered, then just assume that he is. The truth is you can't be hustled unless you take the bait. Don't bet more than you are comfortable losing. If you keep it freindly and look at it as experience, you have nothing to worry about.
 
NateSchoepf said:
I always like to try and get a cheap game and see where it leads for the entertainment value of it. Its fun to see what some will do to try and hustle some out of there money.

Once, long before I started playing pool seriously, I was in 11th grade, I was at a bowling alley that had a game room with 2 small tables in it. I was shooting some pool for fun and this guy, probably mid 20's asked if I wanted to play, so we played a game for fun, I won, and he asked if I wanted to play for money. I said sure, he turned around and nodded to his girl friend who went outside and then came back in with his personal pool cue, he says he wants to play for $2.50 a game, I say sure. So we play, I beat him barely the first game and he says double or nothin so we play again, I beat him pretty easily the second game, he pays me with a few dollars and most in small change, dimes, nickles, pennies, then puts his cue away and leaves. I still laugh everytime I think about that one.


I love that kinda thing too!

I always get a kick out of the guy who leaves his cue in the car. It cracks me up. It always draws way more attention to go get the cue after you make the game or start playing than it does to have it with you. Yet they think that this is "being slick".

To me it is a sign of an inexperienced player who is not used to playing good players. They think that the $80 cue they have will scare off all their action. It is laughable. Especially when it is for small stakes anyway.

Now there are good players who may be scoping out more than one pool hall. They may just be poking their head in to see if there is any action, or if they need to head on to the next one. They won't bother bringing in the cue, because they haven't comitted to staying yet. That is a different story.
 
Thanks for the replies, I wasn't sure if anyone would bother reading a long story, but I'm glad people did.

There's a little more information I need to share about myself that I didn't include. One is that I have my own cue, and when I practice and play, you won't ever find me "lemoning" around. With me, what you see is what you get, though sometimes I shine and other times I look kind of bad. It depends on what type of day I'm having.

Also, when I go out, I like to dress decent. I don't wear a suit or anything, but I wear a decent shirt and clean myself up, so maybe I'm inadvertently inviting attention when I don't necessarily want it. Maybe I look like I've got money to burn. I wouldn't mind playing for a drink, but I'm not a big money gambler. Heck, I don't even drink that much.

As far as keeping score during a game of 8-ball, yeah I should have mentioned that I don't always see myself as necessarily winning if I have more balls down than my opponent, I just use it as a way of gauging the game's progress. I completely understand about clearing my side first and leaving my opponent wide open. :eek: I was trying to hold back and played safe a little in this match for the exact reason that I didn't know this guy from Adam. My luck, if I had cleared my side down to 1, he may have run the table even though he seemed drunk. That's why I was suspecting he was baiting me.

I'll tell you what though, the last thing in the world I ever want to be is a PIGEON! That's the worst. :D

PS, no this wasn't in Oklahoma City, but maybe this guy's on the road a lot :)
 
Chuck...The other thing that comes to mind (with the guy smelling of liquor), is the scene in The Sting, where Newman gargles with some gin, and then spits it out...so that he can go into the card game "stinking of gin", and appearing to be soused, but sober as a judge (to cheat, and take down the house)! This guy might have been drunk, or maybe not. He probably wasn't going to go for much of a bet, or he would have tried to raise it, in another game.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Chuck, if all you're posting about is a single game then I don't think he was baiting you. If you posted you lost a few sets to this guy, but *almost* beat him then that would be another story.

Either way, it sounds like you should stay away from anyone who wants to play for anything. If you're measuring success based on how many solids vs stripes you have on the table, and if you're taking balls off the table without breaking up clusters (as was detailed in the game) I think you should stick to practice play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them.

I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad for him he didn't really know how to play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them.

I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad for him he didn't really know how to play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them.

I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad for him he didn't really know how to play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them. I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad he didn't know how to play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them. I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad he didn't know how to play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them. I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad he didn't know how to play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them. I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad he didn't know how to play.
 
When I was at Marquette...

Way back in the stone age, man I just noticed, I must be getting old! Anyway, when I used to go to Marquette University, there used to be a bar/restaurant on campus that I was having lunch at one day. They had a bar table and I sat watching some guy in a suit beating up on some of the college students who were getting tanked. This guy was playing them for money and making it look like he was getting lucky that he beat them. I watched this for quite a while and had enough of this guy taking advantage of the buzzed students. I went and put my quarter up, see, told you I was old, and decided it was time for this poser to stop picking on the students. He left after I beat HIM six games in a row! He thought he was acting drunk enough to get every body to play against him. Too bad he didn't know how to play.
 
Back in the mid 80's when I had been on the road a short time where I played a lot in the bars, I had a written in stone rule not to play anyone who showed any sign of being intoxicated.

Drunks have a tendency to run on emotion instead of logic and it occasionally led to a few problems which escalated to physical violence.

If they couldn't whip me on the pool table, they wanted to whip me in the parking lot.

My record of being 0-11 in bar fights, this part of it wasn't much fun! LOL

Stones
 
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