My 40 Gripes that damage pool

This article is meant to cause controversy and I hope there is a lot of it. These opinions and conjectures are from 45 years of playing the game and watching it go downhill due to shortsighted visions by people that can make a difference. I am old enough now to not care about whose toes I step on or if they are idiots in my estimation. I do care about this game and if I can change a few minds and outlooks then I’ve accomplished something.

My observations:
1. Of the approximately 50 million pool players in the United States, only .0001% (50 players) have a chance of winning a Pro tournament. Most tournaments are won by only 10 of those 50.

2. Compared to other major sports, overall, pool is a lower purse sport that is dependent upon entry fees to make the purse.

3. Better players want “perfect” conditions in which to play. “Perfect” conditions apparently are very tight pockets, new cloth, fast rails, absolutely true roll, etc.

4. Better players want to take the “luck” factor away. Please name a sport where luck is NOT a factor.

5. The professional game for spectators is boring. There is no “WOW” factor, except for SVB never missing a jump shot, the amazing Efren Reyes, Alex Pagulayan having fun and the antics of Earl Strickland.

6. The Break is too big? It is, only in the pro and top amateur game.

7. Lesser players (as opposed to pros) are needed in tournaments to increase the purse size.

8. The “ball in hand” rule is too huge of penalty.

9. The game is not better or worse depending upon the equipment used. It is just played with different strategies.

10. Pool Rooms that don’t have a junior league system are dumb. Where are your next players coming from?

11. The BEF needs to hire a full-time presenter and team up with table/cue/accessory manufacturers to persuade school systems into the lifetime sport aspect of pool.

12. The majority of players just want to make the ball.

13. There are no current hard statistics to be found on playing ability (with the exception of the IPT).

14. The IPT tournaments caused more excitement in pool and brought more players back to pool since “The Color of Money”.

15. Media coverage for pool sucks.

16. There have been no technological advances for broadcast media specifically for pool in decades. (If there ever has been any.)

17. There is no real men’s tour because they can’t get along and do what is good for the game.

18. The WPBA is falling apart because they can’t get along and do what is good for the game.

19. What is good for the game will be good for the professional players.

20. They don’t make the cups smaller in golf for the pros.

21. Why is most of the industry table specifications based around those 50 players?

22. There are shot selections that can’t be considered with the 4.5 inch pockets that are reasonable with larger openings.

23. I see players who can’t make straight in punt shots espouse the virtues of tight pocket tables. (Monkey see, monkey do.)

24. No matter the table set up, (pockets, cloth, etc.) the better player is always the better player even if they lose 1 in 20 because the table isn’t to their satisfaction.

25. Why do manufacturers allow their products to be sold on the internet undercutting the room sales which the room needs to keep in business? Without the room, there is no business.

26. By my count using the Yellow pages, in 2003 there were approximately 5000+ rooms. Currently, there are about 3500 rooms.

27. If the BCA is now currently a trade organization by their own admission. Why are they allowed to choose players that represent the U.S. in world events?

28. The BCA strayed from its historical mission by becoming a trade organization. STUPID. This move has caused much disarray in pool.

29. Valley Tables/Leagues and the creation of the John Lewis run BCA (not BCAPL) pool leagues were two of the best things that happened to pool.

30. In 1986, Resorts, Int. in Atlantic City put on the first “Last Call for 9-Ball” tournament and had 364 players. Last year’s US Open only had 237 entrants.

31. No smoking laws put a hit on the pool rooms. There is nothing that can be done now, the laws are hardly going to be repealed especially over the plight of such low status pool rooms. Deal with it and go after the new customers.

32. New customers will not stay if they can’t make balls.

33. According to the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association (SGMA) study in 2008, Billiards/Pool ranked 10th in the country for participation at some 17,178,000 players that averaged playing 13 days a year. .

34. Participation growth is stagnant or in decline.

35. I get sick when I see a BCAPL player go to the national tournament, play on a Diamond table, hit a long rail ball into the 1st diamond by the pocket and can’t figure out why it isn’t going.

36. I don’t like the way the game is played today.

37. Every game on TV has stats and player background to back-up the announcers ---except pool. Did Accu-stats forget their mission? Player stat sheets should be part of every tournament and sent in to an independent national entity. Players then ranked by the hard stats.

38. I hate when I hear someone say the cure that pool needs is another blockbuster, epic movie. A movie would help the pool business but wouldn’t cure ills.

39. All the “fighting” rules need to be changed.

40. Grow pool from the bottom up, not the top down.

Jay,
You're not going to stir us much controversy with these statements. All you're going to get is a lot of nodding heads in agreement with you.

Don't be too hard on ACcu-Stats. They aren't everywhere and do some of the best recordings and they still have Danny Diliberto. Go DANNY!
 
fighting rules

What are "fighting" rules?

Sorry the response is slow.

Fighting rules mainly refers to double hits. As a former BCA/ACS referee I would place watching for a double hit as a minimum of 50% of the calls. How about as long as you take a continuous stroke it's good. The good players would figure out how to use it and the lesser players wouldn't be insensed when the call goes against them.

I don't understand how if the cue ball hits the shaft or ferrule on a stroke, that a miscues isn't a foul most of the time. Either miscues should be a foul or scoop shots should be legal. I can make an illegal shot be intentionally miscuing. Is that right?

Those are a few.
 
Accu-stats

Jay,
You're not going to stir us much controversy with these statements. All you're going to get is a lot of nodding heads in agreement with you.

Don't be too hard on ACcu-Stats. They aren't everywhere and do some of the best recordings and they still have Danny Diliberto. Go DANNY!

Accu-stats stepped up and provided a service that was desperately needed in the industry. It's just my venting for more player/game stats.

Since I believe that AZ Billiards probably has the largest player database, maybe they will step up and be the holder of the stats. I think AZ's rankings are far better than any other entity anyway. Maybe a state form could be created for the TD's out there, the players could mark the match stats, the TD then could enter them on line with AZ. I would be happy to work with this project if AZ has interest.
 
As an ex-tennis player degenerate ( just couldn't chase down any more effing lobs) I am superficially knowledgeable about the United States Tennis Association(USTA). It is as perfect a model for development of pool as there is.

Although it seems to be successful because of the $ they draw from tournaments and television, success was achieved in the organization of players into a national body of enthusiasts who THEN demanded more coverage of the sport on TV. It was built from the ground up by top people in the sport that had the trust and financial support of the players. Meaning us. We gotta pay for it. f you want a model check out this link. What we need are some personalities in pool that are truly benevolent in their love of the sport and are willing to work for nothing at first. I think some of them could be found on AZB.

http://www.usta.com/Archive/News/Community-Tennis/Volunteers/95424_USTA_History/
 
Response 1

Originally Posted by Wags
This article is meant to cause controversy and I hope there is a lot of it. These opinions and conjectures are from 45 years of playing the game and watching it go downhill due to shortsighted visions by people that can make a difference. I am old enough now to not care about whose toes I step on or if they are idiots in my estimation. I do care about this game and if I can change a few minds and outlooks then I’ve accomplished something.

My observations:
1. Of the approximately 50 million pool players in the United States, only .0001% (50 players) have a chance of winning a Pro tournament. Most tournaments are won by only 10 of those 50.

This is a fallacy. Beyond that statsically what are the odds of any of the 30 million basketball players to play in the NBA? Of the 50 million golfers to win a major or even make the cut to play in a pro event.

I don't understand what you mean by a fallacy? What are you saying?Actually the SGMA 2008 report that says there are 49 million pool players says that there are 27.9 million golfers, yet golf has made it to the "big time" where as pool isn't even close. How many US born golfers are on the top tier and how many actually have a chance to win?

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2. Compared to other major sports, overall, pool is a lower purse sport that is dependent upon entry fees to make the purse.

You can't compare pool to any "major sport", pool isn't even really a minor sport and most people don't think of it as a sport at all. And some sports don't pay as much prize money as pool does yet incur larger expenses to participate in them.

The biggest part of any tournaments prize fund comes from entry fees.

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3. Better players want “perfect” conditions in which to play. “Perfect” conditions apparently are very tight pockets, new cloth, fast rails, absolutely true roll, etc.

This is a problem why?

Gee, I always thought that being the better player meant being able to adapt to the conditions that are presented. (Kind of like being a road player)

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4. Better players want to take the “luck” factor away. Please name a sport where luck is NOT a factor.

None. But all sports seek to reduce the luck as much as possible.

Disagree: If that were true there would be instant replay officials after every play in football, after every pitch in baseball, etc. Last time I read the rules, the 9 ball on the break was still a win. Is that luck or a low percentage shot?

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5. The professional game for spectators is boring. There is no “WOW” factor, except for SVB never missing a jump shot, the amazing Efren Reyes, Alex Pagulayan having fun and the antics of Earl Strickland.

Pool competes with so many other distractions that even if the players were Bunjee jumping onto the table for each shot pool would still have just a tiny tiny market share as far as viewership goes.

Does that mean it is boring for you also?

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6. The Break is too big? It is, only in the pro and top amateur game.

Actually, Accu-Stats proved that the break isn't as "big" as people believe it is.


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7. Lesser players (as opposed to pros) are needed in tournaments to increase the purse size.

Without sponsors to pick up the bill the prize money has to come from somewhere.

Absolutely. So why when the better player gets beat by the lesser player I see the reaction of, not shaking hands, berating the lesser player or challenging them to a heads up match for large money.

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8. The “ball in hand” rule is too huge of penalty.

What's the solution?

See earlier post in response to Randy G.

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9. The game is not better or worse depending upon the equipment used. It is just played with different strategies.

How is this bringing pool down?

It is in defense of larger pockets and bringing players into the game, without players, without rooms there is no pool.

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10. Pool Rooms that don’t have a junior league system are dumb. Where are your next players coming from?

Agreed. Some states and cities have laws forbidding minors from going into pool rooms that serve alcohol.


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11. The BEF needs to hire a full-time presenter and team up with table/cue/accessory manufacturers to persuade school systems into the lifetime sport aspect of pool.

Agreed. The BEF/BCA has no money. Why don't we have our own grassroots volunteer organization to do these things? Because everyone wants someone else to do it.

I would be more than happy to volunteer my time and services toward this endeavor. If Laura Smith wants to call and talk about it I would certainly listen to her ideas.

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12. The majority of players just want to make the ball.

Um, ok.


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13. There are no current hard statistics to be found on playing ability (with the exception of the IPT).

AccuStats. League ratings. Not for lack of trying though as many people have tried to do pool stats over the years.

See posted response.

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14. The IPT tournaments caused more excitement in pool and brought more players back to pool since “The Color of Money”.

Um, not really or it would still be in business.

Disagree: players came out of the woodwork to try to be part of the IPT. The mainstream sponsor and TV money did not.

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15. Media coverage for pool sucks.

There is nothing to cover. Pool is fringe activity. People in general are not intrested and uninteresting things don't get covered.


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16. There have been no technological advances for broadcast media specifically for pool in decades. (If there ever has been any.)

Huh? Obviously you have missed the Mosconi Cup and snooker coverage.

I'm talking about about advances specifically for pool, not adaptations. Although just adaptations of existing technology would be welcome.

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17. There is no real men’s tour because they can’t get along and do what is good for the game.

Something like that among other things.


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18. The WPBA is falling apart because they can’t get along and do what is good for the game.

Something like that among other things, which includes a worldwide financial meltdown two years ago that forced everyone to rethink their spending, including casinos.


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19. What is good for the game will be good for the professional players.

Will it?

Yes. If pool can change the mindset from the bottom up, it has to be good for the top players as there will be more players in the game.

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20. They don’t make the cups smaller in golf for the pros.

And they don't make them bigger for the amateurs either.

Remember, the specs you read from the WPA are for pro tournaments, not for everyday play. That sounds to me like the pockets are smaller for the pros.

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21. Why is most of the industry table specifications based around those 50 players?

Who says they are? Have you read the only "industry" table specs any time lately?

Yes, and your point is ???

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22. There are shot selections that can’t be considered with the 4.5 inch pockets that are reasonable with larger openings.

Have you ever watched snooker? Even now when snooker is declining it still has far larger purses and far larger audiences than pool events. They haven't suffered because of tiny impossible pockets. A snooker pro considers 4.5" pockets with straight cut corners to be like throwing a bb into the ocean.

I grew up playing snooker tournaments in Winnipeg. So exactly what is your point? You certainly can't be disagreeing with the statement?

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23. I see players who can’t make straight in punt shots espouse the virtues of tight pocket tables. (Monkey see, monkey do.)

So what?

That's part of the brainwashed mindset that has hurt the possible incoming players.

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24. No matter the table set up, (pockets, cloth, etc.) the better player is always the better player even if they lose 1 in 20 because the table isn’t to their satisfaction.

This has what to do with the state of pool?

This has to do with less incoming players due to the specs, specifically the tight 4.5" pockets.

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25. Why do manufacturers allow their products to be sold on the internet undercutting the room sales which the room needs to keep in business? Without the room, there is no business.

Because room owners won't stock. Accessory sales are just a part of the room's revenue, a small part. Any room owner can compete EASILY with the internet. Nothing is stopping them from offering the same goods at the same prices but with personal service. I personally feel that if rooms would set up their own websites and put all the products on there and have a kiosk set up right there on the counter with that website available to all with a huge banner sayign that they will match any price found on other sites then they would sell a lot more and put a hurting on the internet only stores.

So you don't care if the rooms go under, then you won't have anyone to sell your cases to.

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26. By my count using the Yellow pages, in 2003 there were approximately 5000+ rooms. Currently, there are about 3500 rooms.

And? There are also less video arcades, internet cafes are gone, go kart tracks are down, etc... etc..... video game console sales are up, so is participation in online games, such as World of Warcraft and online poker. Poker rooms are up. Ebb and flow.

You are silly. Internet competition, smoking laws, poker, video etc. have all hurt the room revenue. Don't you really care that so many rooms have gone out of business? A lot of these are rooms that have been open for many years and not newbies that were mismanaged.
 
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27. If the BCA is now currently a trade organization by their own admission. Why are they allowed to choose players that represent the U.S. in world events?

Because the BCA funded the WPA and as such is the North American representative of the WPA.

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28. The BCA strayed from its historical mission by becoming a trade organization. STUPID. This move has caused much disarray in pool.

Yes they did. But as I recently found out they did put a lot of the money they earned from the trade show into other programs to try and promote the sport. Once the trade show revenues fell so did the available money. Another issue is the lack of insurance. No one will insure the billiard industry. So without being able to buy into group insurance the BCA lost the majority of room owner members and with it their membership fees.


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29. Valley Tables/Leagues and the creation of the John Lewis run BCA (not BCAPL) pool leagues were two of the best things that happened to pool.

And those things still exist. One of the few bright spots left in pool. Not exactly a good example of what's wrong with pool.

I think the non-profits are good for pool, I don't necessarily think the for profits are.

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30. In 1986, Resorts, Int. in Atlantic City put on the first “Last Call for 9-Ball” tournament and had 364 players. Last year’s US Open only had 237 entrants.

So what? Actually the last US Open had a full field didn't they? DCC in January gets more players in each division than the 1986 event and has done so every year since it's inception 12 years ago. And the Last Call for 9 Ball had some movie money being tossed around as well.

Full field would have been 256. Less tournament entrants. Less interest.

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31. No smoking laws put a hit on the pool rooms. There is nothing that can be done now, the laws are hardly going to be repealed especially over the plight of such low status pool rooms. Deal with it and go after the new customers.

Some rooms have stayed successful despite those laws.

Not many, see the room owners posts.

32. New customers will not stay if they can’t make balls.


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33. According to the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association (SGMA) study in 2008, Billiards/Pool ranked 10th in the country for participation at some 17,178,000 players that averaged playing 13 days a year. .

And this means what?

This is the crowd that pool needs to bring into the fold.

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34. Participation growth is stagnant or in decline.

And? Too many other things to do in life besides play pool.


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35. I get sick when I see a BCAPL player go to the national tournament, play on a Diamond table, hit a long rail ball into the 1st diamond by the pocket and can’t figure out why it isn’t going.

Huh? So you're saying Diamond is a reason pool is dying?

I'm saying there is a correlation between the advent of tighter pockets and less incoming players. See the room owner posts

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36. I don’t like the way the game is played today.

Ok. Well that's it right there, that's why pool is declining.

One has nothing to do with the other, I still love it, I still play it.

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37. Every game on TV has stats and player background to back-up the announcers ---except pool. Did Accu-stats forget their mission? Player stat sheets should be part of every tournament and sent in to an independent national entity. Players then ranked by the hard stats.

I think Pat Fleming found a better way to make money. And he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2008 because of it. Again you are asking for something that requires a ton of work and no one wants to pay for it. NO ONE.


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38. I hate when I hear someone say the cure that pool needs is another blockbuster, epic movie. A movie would help the pool business but wouldn’t cure ills.

Really? The last blockbuster did WONDERS for the sport. Pool rode that wave for 15 years.

It wasn't just the movie, it was also Valley, BCA, promoters, etc.

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39. All the “fighting” rules need to be changed.

Lost me on this one.

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40. Grow pool from the bottom up, not the top down.

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Agreed. How do you suggest that this be done?

See previous posts.
 
Wags, this is coming from one of the newer players to the sport. (Though admittedly, I'm older than most beginners, so perhaps I have a different perspective than the average beginner might...)

I would take issue with your argument about pocket size. Yes, people want to "make balls." But if you make the pockets into buckets, the beginner will only get a chance to make balls against another beginner. Anyone moderately skilled in this game will run all over a beginner if the tables have buckets for pockets.

In my opinion, running out a table should be the province of someone very skilled, not someone who can make the ball go in the vicinity of the pocket. I've run two tables of 8-ball in my limited, one-year experience. (And it was a thrill.) If you let me play on tables with buckets, I'll do that more often. IF I can get to the table. Even in the APA League that I play in, there are a great many players who are skilled enough to either run a table, or clear it in just a couple of innings, when we play in the room that has a few tables with LARGE pockets. In 8-ball. (Both of my table runs were at my home room, with pockets tight enough two balls can jam in the corner pocket without falling in. I haven't measured them, but I expect that's considered "tight". Messes with the people who play in the room with the buckets. :D)

While I understand your goal of wanting it to be easier for the beginner, you'll effectively take the middle class out of the equation if you make the pockets too big.

As for the rest of your points, I think you've summed things up pretty well, given my limited knowledge with all of this.
 
I'll jump you on #1 - I'd say there are many more than 50 - you just seldom see them in the same place at the same time , because the financial rewards really aren't there to devote all their time to chasing tournaments .

I would also add, that I don't see the problem here. I would say maybe even fewer American players are capable of winning a PGA tour event. Are we suggesting handicapping at a pro level???? Or is it that there are too few pros.
 
This article is meant to cause controversy and I hope there is a lot of it. These opinions and conjectures are from 45 years of playing the game and watching it go downhill due to shortsighted visions by people that can make a difference. I am old enough now to not care about whose toes I step on or if they are idiots in my estimation. I do care about this game and if I can change a few minds and outlooks then I’ve accomplished something.

My observations:
1. Of the approximately 50 million pool players in the United States, only .0001% (50 players) have a chance of winning a Pro tournament. Most tournaments are won by only 10 of those 50.

2. Compared to other major sports, overall, pool is a lower purse sport that is dependent upon entry fees to make the purse.

3. Better players want “perfect” conditions in which to play. “Perfect” conditions apparently are very tight pockets, new cloth, fast rails, absolutely true roll, etc.

4. Better players want to take the “luck” factor away. Please name a sport where luck is NOT a factor.

5. The professional game for spectators is boring. There is no “WOW” factor, except for SVB never missing a jump shot, the amazing Efren Reyes, Alex Pagulayan having fun and the antics of Earl Strickland.

6. The Break is too big? It is, only in the pro and top amateur game.

7. Lesser players (as opposed to pros) are needed in tournaments to increase the purse size.

8. The “ball in hand” rule is too huge of penalty.

9. The game is not better or worse depending upon the equipment used. It is just played with different strategies.

10. Pool Rooms that don’t have a junior league system are dumb. Where are your next players coming from?

11. The BEF needs to hire a full-time presenter and team up with table/cue/accessory manufacturers to persuade school systems into the lifetime sport aspect of pool.

12. The majority of players just want to make the ball.

13. There are no current hard statistics to be found on playing ability (with the exception of the IPT).

14. The IPT tournaments caused more excitement in pool and brought more players back to pool since “The Color of Money”.

15. Media coverage for pool sucks.

16. There have been no technological advances for broadcast media specifically for pool in decades. (If there ever has been any.)

17. There is no real men’s tour because they can’t get along and do what is good for the game.

18. The WPBA is falling apart because they can’t get along and do what is good for the game.

19. What is good for the game will be good for the professional players.

20. They don’t make the cups smaller in golf for the pros.

21. Why is most of the industry table specifications based around those 50 players?

22. There are shot selections that can’t be considered with the 4.5 inch pockets that are reasonable with larger openings.

23. I see players who can’t make straight in punt shots espouse the virtues of tight pocket tables. (Monkey see, monkey do.)

24. No matter the table set up, (pockets, cloth, etc.) the better player is always the better player even if they lose 1 in 20 because the table isn’t to their satisfaction.

25. Why do manufacturers allow their products to be sold on the internet undercutting the room sales which the room needs to keep in business? Without the room, there is no business.

26. By my count using the Yellow pages, in 2003 there were approximately 5000+ rooms. Currently, there are about 3500 rooms.

27. If the BCA is now currently a trade organization by their own admission. Why are they allowed to choose players that represent the U.S. in world events?

28. The BCA strayed from its historical mission by becoming a trade organization. STUPID. This move has caused much disarray in pool.

29. Valley Tables/Leagues and the creation of the John Lewis run BCA (not BCAPL) pool leagues were two of the best things that happened to pool.

30. In 1986, Resorts, Int. in Atlantic City put on the first “Last Call for 9-Ball” tournament and had 364 players. Last year’s US Open only had 237 entrants.

31. No smoking laws put a hit on the pool rooms. There is nothing that can be done now, the laws are hardly going to be repealed especially over the plight of such low status pool rooms. Deal with it and go after the new customers.

32. New customers will not stay if they can’t make balls.

33. According to the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association (SGMA) study in 2008, Billiards/Pool ranked 10th in the country for participation at some 17,178,000 players that averaged playing 13 days a year. .

34. Participation growth is stagnant or in decline.

35. I get sick when I see a BCAPL player go to the national tournament, play on a Diamond table, hit a long rail ball into the 1st diamond by the pocket and can’t figure out why it isn’t going.

36. I don’t like the way the game is played today.

37. Every game on TV has stats and player background to back-up the announcers ---except pool. Did Accu-stats forget their mission? Player stat sheets should be part of every tournament and sent in to an independent national entity. Players then ranked by the hard stats.

38. I hate when I hear someone say the cure that pool needs is another blockbuster, epic movie. A movie would help the pool business but wouldn’t cure ills.

39. All the “fighting” rules need to be changed.

40. Grow pool from the bottom up, not the top down.

YOUR POST GETS A GREENIE, now how do you make changes to POOL?
 
Jay, we all know you don't like the BCAPL and Diamond pool tables. Did they do something personally wrong to you? If so, you should post that.:p


edit: I would also like to see your list of 40 things you like about pool and the industry!
 
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Jay, we all know you don't like the BCAPL and Diamond pool tables. Did they do something personally wrong to you? If so, you should post that.:p

I have stated many times that I personally like how Diamonds play. I also think the pockets just play too hard for incoming players of which the industry has too few of.

The BCAPL is certainly a viable league system and has done some good for pool. For the record, I am not thrilled with any of the for-profit league systems.

edit: I would also like to see your list of 40 things you like about pool and the industry![/QUOT

I'll work on that.
 
I would like to see the pockets cut and sized one way for the pros and be classified as pro tables, 7 , 8, and 9 footers, and then have them cut and sized differently and be classified as amateur tables. I would like to see them sized only two different ways, and nothing in between.
 
If you look at bicycle racing, there are far fewer $ paid out per-entrant than pool. A local weekend event might have 12 races of 50+ people each and only 1/6 will have cash prizes. $25 entry per-race and first will only be ~$300, paying to 5th @ $25.

Guaranteed, more people ride bikes than play pool.

yea but just like running road races you have people cooking or food there....drink......alot of events have free massages and you usually get some kind of grab bag of stuff along with a shirt.

The prize funds are not big b/c it costs alot to put on those events........medical staff.....people on the route watching.........

everyone is there to compete not try and make a buck......pool is the opposite.

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Interesting

I agree and disagree with some of WAGS points, but at least it was a good conversation starter and one of the better threads lately...lol.


But the best part of his post was the obvious fact that there is no MAGIC SOLUTION to fixing pool. Too many threads are started claiming there is ONE problem with pool. Gambling is killing pool. No Smoking is Killing pool. Casinos are killing pool. Bar leagues are killling pool. No business survives or fails due to just one circumstance. A better thread might be the 200 things that are killing pool. But that is for another day I guess. Thanks again WAGS for the thread. Made me smile.
 
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I have a different take on this list of 40. I parallel this to going to the doctor and laying out a long list of symptoms. The doctor evaluates the patient and determines the root cause of all his ailments. The doctor may or may not prescribe something to alleviate some of the symptoms while focusing directly on the lone root cause. Cure the illness and the symptoms just slowly dissipate until they are non-existent.

I believe our beloved sport has only one problem. I will call it THE FATAL FLAW that has plagued our sport for more that 140 years. Fix that and this list of 40 will slowly just go away.

If I thought that our sport had 40 separate and different diseases, I would throw the towel in, give up, and declare the sport of pool “DEAD”.
 
Hopeless?

I believe our beloved sport has only one problem, THE FATAL FLAWthrow the towel in, give up, and declare the sport of pool “DEAD”.

.... a compilation of your quote speaks volumes!

And as for the rest of the 40 problems, here's a real life example of our beloved Sports problem, "Accu-Stats is a failed business enterprise, economically!" The business was created as a scoring system to rate the best players on the planet. It evolved into a video archive and repository of the best professional players, playing and competing. Flemings "Hall of Fame" induction was primarily because of the educational factor for future generations of interested pool players of all varieties of skill. A great accomplishment for a man's life, IMHO!!!

However, here's the rub, the pool world doesn't really realize or appreciate the fact, that to be a sport, you have to have a statistical history. Without that history, no one will ever know anything about your SPORT AND IT'S PLAYERS!

In our beloved sport of pool, extremely few seem to understand, support, and believe this concept to be true! Whether it's Accu-Stats,T.A.R., or just a live stream from a tournament site, don't support it with your money, just tune in and criticize, at no personal cost. THIS ATTITUDE, IS EXACTLY WHY, THE SPORT OF POOL CONTINUES TO GO NOWHERE!

My 35 years of experience around the sport of pool has taught me this point about patronage; "if the professionals, participants, and spectators, involved in the sport don't even care, when one of it's last remaining vestiges fades away, from the lack of interest in financially supporting it, how can there be any hope for our Sport, but the pronouncement of the original quote?":banghead:
 
.... a compilation of your quote speaks volumes!


In our beloved sport of pool, extremely few seem to understand, support, and believe this concept to be true! Whether it's Accu-Stats,T.A.R., or just a live stream from a tournament site, don't support it with your money, just tune in and criticize, at no personal cost. THIS ATTITUDE, IS EXACTLY WHY, THE SPORT OF POOL CONTINUES TO GO NOWHERE!

Your "compilation" of my quote is not a compilation. It is a "dice and hack job" reassembled to make your point and to miss mine.

I do feel your sentiments and disapointments. I respectfully disagree as to the WHY. The cause is not ATTITUDE.
 
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