My Brunswick (gold crown)

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I have played many years on this table and am proud to have it in my house, but because I have no clue how to restore its optic outlook, (it lacks side skirts and the 2 tally counter inlays) I decided to try and sell it here in Germany. However on the Pool sport page in Internet, Billardzentrum.de nobody is interested in paying more than 500.00 Eur/$480.00 for it. I'm sure that if it had "skirts and tallys" I could get more than what I payed for it, roughly $1500.00. I know "shes" old, but here slates are still well playable and the rails are good and her pockets are fair. My question: Brunswick (original gold crown) new cloth, under construction renoviert and touched up in Black with gold lettering (original gold crown), one can view her at http://www.skip.has.it
What is she worth? :confused: Can anybody give me any idea what I should do? If I sell this girl to that jerk for 500 bucks he probably wouldn't take care of it, and ruin it eventually or he's just trying to screw me! If I were back in California, I know I could fix her up, but this is not possible. I am too settled in here...
I'd appreciate your serious comments on this subject in advance.
Sincerly yours
A fellow American
SkipN
 
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i suggest you call the experts, either blatt billiards in N.Y.C. and speak to ron blatt, or century billiards in east northport long island new york. between these 2 you'll get a very straight up answer. one thing you may want to think about is the # of your gold crown. a #1 would be worth only $400 a #2 $500, #3 $900 and a #4 $2000, i could be toally wrong, but the newer and better condition the table, the more valuable it is to serious players. good luck.
 
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i suggest you call the experts, either blatt billiards in N.Y.C. and speak to ron blatt, or century billiards in east northport long island new york. between these 2 you'll get a very straight up answer. one thing you may want to think about is the # of your gold crown. a #1 would be worth only $400 a #2 $500, #3 $900 and a #4 $2000, i could be toally wrong, but the newer and better condition the table, the more valuable it is to serious players. good luck.
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Do these guys have an e-mail address?
 
Skip Newberry said:
I have played many years on this table and am proud to have it in my house, but because I have no clue how to restore its optic outlook, (it lacks side skirts and the 2 tally counter inlays) I decided to try and sell it here in Germany. However on the Pool sport page in Internet, Billardzentrum.de nobody is interested in paying more than 500.00 Eur/$480.00 for it. I'm sure that if it had "skirts and tallys" I could get more than what I payed for it, roughly $1500.00. I know "shes" old, but here slates are still well playable and the rails are good and her pockets are fair. My question: Brunswick (original gold crown) new cloth, under construction renoviert and touched up in Black with gold lettering (original gold crown), one can view her at http://www.skip.has.it
What is she worth? :confused: Can anybody give me any idea what I should do? If I sell this girl to that jerk for 500 bucks he probably wouldn't take care of it, and ruin it eventually or he's just trying to screw me! If I were back in California, I know I could fix her up, but this is not possible. I am too settled in here...
I'd appreciate your serious comments on this subject in advance.
Sincerly yours
A fellow American
SkipN
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The pictures are so dark that I can't see much of the table.

Bernie is completely wrong about the prices of GC's. Pay no attention. The GC I and II are treasured by players and worth probably as much as a used IV. The III's are not so popular. He is probably right about who to contact for parts etc.
 
Thanks Jim,
I just knew she's worth more than others were telling me, but I need an e-mail address or a www. address to send pics and what not. I'll try to raise the quality of the pictures, but it can depend on the program your using...
Thanks again
Skip
 
The order of quality on th GC's are.................4's are the best obviously.....then next are the 2's...........the 3's are the worst I think...with 1's not far behind.
 
pooltablemech said:
The order of quality on th GC's are.................4's are the best obviously.....then next are the 2's...........the 3's are the worst I think...with 1's not far behind.
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What about the Centurian and Medalist? :D
The 3's were awful. Just awful table.
They shouldn't even be called Brunswick.
 
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I dont know if the solution is this but brunswick now offers a kit that converts gold crowns into 4's for about 1600 bucks
 
nfty9er said:
I dont know if the solution is this but brunswick now offers a kit that converts gold crowns into 4's for about 1600 bucks
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Where did you see this...and what is included? Because they got a few problems!!!!!! lol

And 1600 seems kinda higher for what it would take to make them right!
 
gold crown kit

well brunswick was never cheap, but i know it includes skirts, and the new pockets and rails to make smooth at the pockets. they want to sell me those in future so i can match my gold crown 4's. i am ordering one next month.
call brunsick
 
pooltablemech said:
The order of quality on th GC's are.................4's are the best obviously.....then next are the 2's...........the 3's are the worst I think...with 1's not far behind.
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So so,
Assuming you are an authority on this subject. What would you suggest I charge for a table that's worse than a GC 3. You do consider the GC1 the worst table Brunswick has ever made, right?
Excuse me, I may sound a little upset at you, but I don't mean to be. It's just that I've had this table so long, had so much fun and learned so much with it, it's just a little hard for me to think I've been playing all these years on nothing but a piece of S...!
At any rate the question still stands: What's it worth? Or any other suggestions that would help me save more money than I have already dished out. I just want to get in the area of breaking even...Phhuuuh..looks like I got a problem...
Thankyou for being honest
SkipN
 
I say 1's and 3's are comparably bad. The feet don't spin on the 1's they just sit in place. And being 1's they are old! and been used and abused.....cause most were in pool halls.

Now! that doesn't mean that all the 1's suck.......just that a majority of them have had a ton of hours played on them, and been recovered 100 times.

3's just suck for other reasons. It was like Brunswick forgot that they were the best table! lol
 
nfty9er said:
well brunswick was never cheap, but i know it includes skirts, and the new pockets and rails to make smooth at the pockets. they want to sell me those in future so i can match my gold crown 4's. i am ordering one next month.
call brunsick
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nfty9er,
Thanks for your suggestion, however I'm looking at a prospect after selling this table, that's affordable. If I invest $1600 in a kit for my table, then I would keep her of course. However, I need to sell this table for a reasonable price, so I can afford to buy a good (german made) GC4 replica, called an Olyo for $1700.
SkipN
 
pooltablemech said:
I say 1's and 3's are comparably bad. The feet don't spin on the 1's they just sit in place. And being 1's they are old! and been used and abused.....cause most were in pool halls.

Now! that doesn't mean that all the 1's suck.......just that a majority of them have had a ton of hours played on them, and been recovered 100 times.
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Hmmm,
Feet aren't supposed to spin, eh? Then I guess I don't know what I have here. One thing is certain, it's not a GC 3. If she's not a GC 1, but a GC 2, how could I tell the difference?
SkipN
 
Skip Newberry said:
Hmmm,
Feet aren't supposed to spin, eh? Then I guess I don't know what I have here. One thing is certain, it's not a GC 3. If she's not a GC 1, but a GC 2, how could I tell the difference?
SkipN
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Sounds like your too defensive to even talk to....eh! The feet spin up and down to level the table.......so I guess they should spin.

Not tryin to start anything so I will stay out a this.
 
what's the matter!

pooltablemech said:
Sounds like your too defensive to even talk to....eh! The feet spin up and down to level the table.......so I guess they should spin.

Not tryin to start anything so I will stay out a this.
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Now cool down, you cannot hear the tone I am speaking to you with because we're writing, not talking. I live in Germany, not around the corner from the next Brunswick distributor. There are very few Authorities on this subject over here and I am also not included. Maybe I really don't know what I have here....and maybe you can help, of course only if you want to. No pressure implied, just asking.
Once again, "if she's not a GC1, but rather a GC2!" How can I tell the difference between the two of these? I'm thinking, this might be important for me to prove, because the feet are spin adjustable and you mentioned the GC1s feet are immobile.
SkipN
 
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Skip Newberry said:
Now cool down, you cannot hear the tone I am speaking to you with because we're writing, not talking. I live in Germany, not around the corner from the next Brunswick distributor. There are very few Authorities on this subject over here and I am also not included. Maybe I really don't know what I have here....and maybe you can help, of course only if you want to. No pressure implied, just asking.
SkipN
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I am not sure the exact differences.....From what we have seen....the feet on the one are just in a dead hole without threads. Then the 2's they put threads in the for the feet to spin. Maybe thats wrong but I think that is right. Best bet is emailing Brunswick and waiting days for a response. They told me alot about the Annivesary I have. They sent me the factor specs for each of the 3 version of my table.
 
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Thanks PTM!
Looks like you raised the value of my table! Even though you're not sure, you've reminded me of something that I experienced back in '77. I'm pretty sure GC2s were not out back then because although they look similiar, the Brunswick tables we (6 soldiers) rearranged in our Rec. Center, lost their feet suddenly. They were just bolts with a nut screwed on to it. By lifting the table and screwing the nut up and down one could adjust the height as well. We had a little trouble getting the bolts for the feet lined up again and were lacking one man, because he was running around collecting and lining up the feet! The Tables looked pretty well used even then and they were all Brunswicks!
Can this get any better?
SkipN
 
Kool.......thats what it was. They used a bolt to get the height difference. Instead of the threads in the leg. It gets confusing because the 2's used a threaded plug that was held in with a wood screw. So sometimes the plug comes out still scewed to the foot when you move them. Also its a pain when the wood screw strips out or breaks....and it won't spin up and down. Instead the plug spins. Not easy to get to and repair when the table is together.
 
Skip Newberry said:
Hmmm,
Feet aren't supposed to spin, eh? Then I guess I don't know what I have here. One thing is certain, it's not a GC 3. If she's not a GC 1, but a GC 2, how could I tell the difference?
SkipN
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The feet are interchangable on I' and II'. The major difference is that the II did not have the plastic guards under the apron, and the apron is not as deep. A lot of the parts are interchangable other than the feet, so you could have a bastardized set up. In any case, if it is in good shape it should be worth at least $1000 US in the states. But, in reality, it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. For what it's worth, I have a GC I fully restored and I would not trade it for a new III or IV. YMMV
 
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