My first good Screwing

Cueaddicts

As for the first wave of totally unwarranted third-party harrassment, there is a lawsuit pending against CueAddicts for their initial posting here early in this thread.

When I made him (Sean, I believe...) aware of this, the response was again totally juvenile:

I get an email in return where CueAddicts so completely confident and full of himself exclaims: "What obscene harrassment? Read the post again!"

For some reason, I had a feeling I had to anticipate such a reaction and it was not very surprising that CueAddicts had gone into their reply post and edited out all the shit they had written earlier, thinking they were OH SO SMART as it was not visible anymore....!

Well, not so, as I took print screens before I communicated back to CueAddicts, thus preserving the original posting.

Again, I ask....is this really representative of dealers, cue collectors and poolplayers here on AZB? If so, the state of affairs is very sad indeed. I rather hope this is not the case.
 
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Ebay ID rthart101084

Ebay ID rthart101084

So does anyone here associate themselves with this Ebay ID? Is he also here on AZbilliards? Again, what a small-minded imbecile. This is three for three of people voicing complete trash. Please tell me there are some people with good character here, somewhere.
 
askforbes said:
First of all, to all you vultures that do not know all the facts, shut the hell up. You have no grounds to attack me. All you have is the alledged injured party's feelings and observations. You hardly know the details to form such horrendous personal harrassment, nor are you getting an objective view of this case....
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problem with workmanship...? you're selling a $900 cue and you can't tell whether it's in good shape or not? that's bs, dude. if you really feel that it's the workmanship of the cue that's a problem. why don't you return the guy's money and deal with the cue yourself, considering you're oh so cool with skip.:rolleyes:
 
drama, drama, drama.

Askforbes: my only input as a spectator is this: Using foul language in an arguement such as this severely weakens your stance imo.

You put together a 500 word reply and have to curse 5 times in it?

Makes no sense.
 
Hold on a sec, i have more insight lol.

I believe Ask forbes has done the correct thing. go directly to Skip and get it addressed. Skip or another Builder are the only ones who can accurately asses the cue.

And the seller has offered to cover the shipping to skip to boot.

get off the guys back a bit.
 
Last footnote.

I am always interested in hearing constructive criticism, if it might be helpful in improving future transactions and building stronger relationships. No-one's perfect and I know that I have many things to improve on in all aspects of life.

BUT, crap like the stuff from earlier, will get no-one anywhere. I am sure that such posts contradicts the very foundation of a forum like this, on which we all signed on to ensure the betterment of each and every one of us.

There is also a forum for constructive criticism....it is called PM. Unless the evidence is overwhelming and set in stone - and both parties have had a chance to give their side of the story - there is no reason for bringing it public attention.

Very much like how you shouldn't tell your wife her food tasted terrible when your dinner guests are right there with you at the table! Although some would just blurt out just the same with no thought, and I am confident that the same people are those that write up the obscene and harrassing statements here on this forum.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks, especially one that hasn't even been house-trained. Besides, every time a dog relieves himself inside, it teaches him that it is OK to go inside. Likewise, unless someone tells the you folks with the unsubstantiated posts/replies that it is not appropriate and extremely unprofessional, then you will continue to post such garbage until someone dares stand up against you to defend the true facts.
 
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This really does not surprise me. I'm getting the feeling that good O'l Skips workmanship may not be up to par on this one. I hope you have better luck with getting Skip to do something with it than I did with the junk he sold me.

Good luck,

Doug
 
meterpai said:
problem with workmanship...? you're selling a $900 cue and you can't tell whether it's in good shape or not? that's bs, dude. if you really feel that it's the workmanship of the cue that's a problem. why don't you return the guy's money and deal with the cue yourself, considering you're oh so cool with skip.:rolleyes:
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In the case of this cue and shafts, I had no reason to question the judgment of Skip. To me, it was a good $900 cue. The only remark I have on the cue is that the cue is fairly plain. But then again, it wasn't made for a beauty contest. However, in a room with ten people, there are usually ten opinions about the same cue. Very subjective.

But I'm not going to argue this to death.

The solution for the buyer is simple. Return it to Skip to for a full check-up at no cost. Only thing to do.
 
degenrat said:
drama, drama, drama.

Askforbes: my only input as a spectator is this: Using foul language in an arguement such as this severely weakens your stance imo.

You put together a 500 word reply and have to curse 5 times in it?

Makes no sense.
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You are right, it makes no sense. Just as all those replies made no sense at all. And I am not a cursing man, so I guess you hit all the right/wrong buttons.
 
First let me start by saying that I have never used any foul language or spoken anything but the truth. Yes I am fairly new to the cue buying game but I also feel that I can tell when something isn't right.

I have bought a total of about $25,000 worth of cues from the following parties in the last 4 months in no particular order. Jamie (worminator), bushwacker, jazz, cranegod1, J.P nuesbaum (cues-n -things),Roy Malott at Indy Q, Tim Scruggs, and several others.

My point is that all of these transactions were straight foreward and simple. I make payment cue is shipped and arrives within 5 bussiness days as described.

Maybe my expectations are just too high. To help you all understand the ferrul problem a little better. The problem is that the shaft is of smaller diameter that the ferrul buy about the thickness of 2 sheets of paper so that when you slide the cue rearward you can feel the seam. The white staining on the wrap If I had to guess would be baby powder of talc. Let me also state that I wouldn't have had a problem with any of these issues if they had been disclosed and I would have adjusted my price accordingly.

I will make arrangements to have the cue examined by Skip. I will live with whatever his decision is. If for some reason he feels that it is ok the way it is I am sure that Scott at Proficient will make it what It should have been all along.

Best of Luck to all cue buyers out there. Remember don't let one Bad Apple spoil the bunch. There are a lot of really great cue sellers and billiard industry people out there who are willing to share their knowledge and will do the right thing everytime.
 
askforbes:

There is one simple solution to all this. If the customer is not 100% satisfied with the product you sell them, refund their money and move on. This is called...customer service.
 
askforbes....

LOL...lawsuit. You would be wise to cease using my name in public like this or you will be the one on the end of a lawsuit. And BTW, your ebay feedback speaks for itself.

Sean

P.S. customer service 101.....refund the customer his money since he is unhappy with the cue and you take the issue up with Skip to get corrected...it was sold as a brand new cue (right there in the ad title).
 
degenrat said:
drama, drama, drama.

Askforbes: my only input as a spectator is this: Using foul language in an arguement such as this severely weakens your stance imo.

You put together a 500 word reply and have to curse 5 times in it?

Makes no sense.
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degenrat:

A quick edit and I have I toned it down....just for you :)
 
cueaddicts said:
LOL...lawsuit. You would be wise to cease using my name in public like this or you will be the one on the end of a lawsuit. And BTW, your ebay feedback speaks for itself.

Sean

P.S. customer service 101.....refund the customer his money since he is unhappy with the cue and you take the issue up with Skip to get corrected...it was sold as a brand new cue (right there in the ad title).
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You signed your replies with your name all over this thread, so I just picked up from there.

Footnote. You can always counter-sue when you are served. Don't forget who's dirt hit the fan.
 
cueaddicts said:
LOL...lawsuit. You would be wise to cease using my name in public like this or you will be the one on the end of a lawsuit. And BTW, your ebay feedback speaks for itself.

Sean

P.S. customer service 101.....refund the customer his money since he is unhappy with the cue and you take the issue up with Skip to get corrected...it was sold as a brand new cue (right there in the ad title).
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If you check the text in the latest auctions, you will read what happened. Again, you place judgment on something where you are missing major pieces of the puzzle. And after the problem was fixed, feedback corrected itself.
 
Since I Haven't heard what is the issue between Cueaddicts and Askforbes. Is there a pattern forming here.
 
lenoxmjs said:
Ebay. First let me say that I have had about 30 perfect transactions but today I recieved my first good screwing.

All of you fellow Az'ers be on the look out for any item's or cues offered by M. Wold from Chino Valley, AZ know as askforbes on Ebay. Let me start by saying that I bid on a really nice Ebony Skip Weston described as new.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7234826198&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

I purchased the cue on Apr 12th and paid immediately. The next day I recieve an e-mail stating that the seller had me pay the wrong e-mail address and would like me to pay his bussiness e-mail address.

I explained that I would be happy to do so once Paypal put the money back in my account. 10 or so days pass with him e-mailing asking for payment stating that paypal has removed the money from his account and I should pay him. I call paypal to learn that the money hasn't been refunded to me because there isn't any money to take out of his account.

Now it's May 3rd I'm out my 970.00 and still no cue so I file for merchandise not recieved complaint with Paypal. They advise me that the seller has 10 days to respond.

May 5th seller sends me an E-mail saying that he is overniting the cue and he is sorry...provides a tracking number that doesn't work. I e-mail him back and get no response.

Today the cue appears out of the blue. Totally not as described. Heavily played. I don't even believe the shafts are original. The Ferruls don't match up with the shafts. Finish is crazed and lifting on shaft collers. There is a white stain on the wrap. Definately not the new skip that I bought and Paid for. Wonder if that lifetime warrentee ( since I'm the first owner ...note sarcasm) that the seller promised from skip will cover this.


I don't know if any of you know Skip personally or not but he should also look into this guy because he is claiming he knows him and has been designing and buying all of these cues from him. Including the one I now have.

Claim for a refund of my money is still pending with Paypal but now I do have the cue so I don't know what they will decide. Will keep you all posted on the outcome. Thanks for letting me vent.
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Lenox,
Sorry to hear about your cue buying experience. If you take a picture of the shafts and compare them to those on the auction, it will serve as a comparative frame of reference. About the ferrules and shafts, the cue was constructed in NJ and has spent alot of time is AZ. One possibility is that wood acclimated to the AZ dryness and shrunk a little. This happens frequently with alot of cues. The best thing to do here is have them adjusted locally. I don't know what to say about the condition of the finish without seeing it. The rest is speculative. What I will say is that you are not the first owner of the cue, when a cuedealer buys a cue from a cuemaker, he is the first owner. Test hitting is common, but a good dealer or at least one who is careful, will wipe the shafts down between test hits, or simply carry brown chalk. I have had shafts get blueing by keeping them in well used cases, but I can tell a new shaft vs a played shaft regardless of the degree of blueing. The other real possiblity, is that the auction was falsely advertised. In which case, thats a whole other ball of wax.

I do not believe anything that you have mentioned will fall into Skips warranty. He sold the cue to the ebay seller and as far as I know, his warranty is non transferable. But he may make some concessions.

One note about ebay auctions, if the cue appears to be any different than the pics used to advertise the auction, you have a case. In other words the cue pics show a brand new cue, no chalk on the shafts and no chalk on the tips. The auction also does not note any previous play on the cue, therefore enhancing the advertising with the pictures. I believe if you can show this difference, it's to your credit.

Joe
 
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Askforbes - do you have any clue how your buyers feel about you? Following is one of the most incredible stretches of buyer feedback I've ever seen on ebay. Congratulations on recently satisfying three consecutive customers!
 

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askforbes said:
As for the first wave of totally unwarranted third-party harrassment, there is a lawsuit pending against CueAddicts for their initial posting here early in this thread.
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You've got to be kidding me....

"You hurt my feelings so I'm gonna sue you!!"

Jesus, are you really that thin skinned? My suggestion to you is to get a dustbuster and suck up all of the sand that you have in your vaginal canal.

Honestly, I think it's pretty pussy of you to even imply that would sue someone over a statement such as what Sean said. I can't imagine what a lawyer would say to your allegations..... I think he'd have to stop laughing first....
 
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1pRoscoe said:
You've got to be kidding me....

"You hurt my feelings so I'm gonna sue you!!"

Jesus, are you really that thin skinned? My suggestion to you is to get a dustbuster and suck up all of the sand that you have in your vaginal canal.

Honestly, I think it's pretty pussy of you to even imply that would sue someone over a statement such as what Sean said. I can't imagine what a lawyer would say to your allegations..... I think he'd have to stop laughing first....
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LOLz ^^^....I use ebays feedback to get a feel about a seller....I don't take it all to heart, however in your case, askforbes, I wouldn't touch a sale of yours with a ten foot pole...I see a pattern with people like you....and PAINPOOL...you are right and everybody else is wrong...why don't you prove that you didn't misrepresent this cue and show pics to the contrary if you can....actually I'd like to see pics of the cue as received from lenoxmjs...the cue 'looks' to be in pretty good shape....lenoxmjs, can you post up pics of what you are not happy with about this cue?
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