My stroke *VIDEO*

md5key

md5key

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Can someone please comment on the stroke I'm using in this video? This is my normal stroke, not trying to concentrate or anything. I'm just hitting the balls like I normally would. I'm interested in hearing from you guys on what is right and what is wrong with what I'm doing. If this video doesn't have the right angles then I can try to take another.

I randomly threw balls onto the table - so this isn't a real game. I think I did pretty good with the pattern to run them, but if you see something wrong there I'd love to hear about it.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQbYVRzqdo

Thanks!!!
Zach
 
md5key said:
Can someone please comment on the stroke I'm using in this video? This is my normal stroke, not trying to concentrate or anything. I'm just hitting the balls like I normally would. I'm interested in hearing from you guys on what is right and what is wrong with what I'm doing. If this video doesn't have the right angles then I can try to take another.

I randomly threw balls onto the table - so this isn't a real game. I think I did pretty good with the pattern to run them, but if you see something wrong there I'd love to hear about it.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQbYVRzqdo

Thanks!!!
Zach
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Only 2 little things I picked up on that short video. I believe you can learn a lot more about a person's stroke by watching them hit balls at various pace (i.e. what happens when they hit the shot hard that doesn't happen when they hit soft? and vice versa).
1) When your bridge hand hits the table you do not want to slide into the shot. Also bridge hand palm needs to be more securely planted on the table when possible.

2) Cue stick could be more level. This will help prevent misses especially when using draw and sidespin at the same time as it will cause less squirt of the cue ball.

Disclaimer- I am not a pro by any means so please do not take my comments as gospel. See your local certified instructor for quality advice!
 
md5key said:
Can someone please comment on the stroke I'm using in this video? This is my normal stroke, not trying to concentrate or anything. I'm just hitting the balls like I normally would. I'm interested in hearing from you guys on what is right and what is wrong with what I'm doing. If this video doesn't have the right angles then I can try to take another.

I randomly threw balls onto the table - so this isn't a real game. I think I did pretty good with the pattern to run them, but if you see something wrong there I'd love to hear about it.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQbYVRzqdo

Thanks!!!
Zach
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Follow through. You either stop directly after hitting the cue ball or only follow through half an inch.

Without going too far into it, a good follow through will result in more power and spin with less effort as you will be hitting the cue ball at peak velocity.
 
you need to take videos of when you miss to see what you did wrong that is different from when you make them.
 
Cameron...Either you and I are looking at a different video, or you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Zach has a perfect FINISH, on every shot on the video. He addresses the shot with an SPF-type set up. He uses a pendulum swing, his grip hand goes to his chest, and stops (with no elbow drop)...meaning that the tip stops in the same place every time, on every shot (it's what I call your "personal shooting template"). It doesn't matter if the tip finishes an inch or 8 inches past where the CB sits (as long as your stroke ends at the end of your range of motion). The CB is gone, off of the tip, 1/1000th of a second after contact. This means that, in effect, following through farther has no effect on the outcome of the stroke. Once the CB is gone...it's GONE, and nothing can change that.

Zach...Your video was good. It was fortunate that I could see your elbow on at least a couple of the shots (next time, just set up shots where we can see your elbow and cue, from the side...instead of playing a game, or running balls), because it verified what I surmised, about how you were stroking through the CB. I agree with the observations of APA Gene. Keep your palm and fingers on the table for your bridge, whether open or closed...and keep the cue as level as possible. I liked your process. It can be finetuned better...but it's pretty darn good right now! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Cameron Smith said:
Follow through. You either stop directly after hitting the cue ball or only follow through half an inch.

Without going too far into it, a good follow through will result in more power and spin with less effort as you will be hitting the cue ball at peak velocity.
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Scott Lee said:
Cameron...Either you and I are looking at a different video, or you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Zach has a perfect FINISH, on every shot on the video. He addresses the shot with an SPF-type set up. He uses a pendulum swing, his grip hand goes to his chest, and stops (with no elbow drop)...meaning that the tip stops in the same place every time, on every shot (it's what I call your "personal shooting template"). It doesn't matter if the tip finishes an inch or 8 inches past where the CB sits (as long as your stroke ends at the end of your range of motion). The CB is gone, off of the tip, 1/1000th of a second after contact. This means that, in effect, following through farther has no effect on the outcome of the stroke. Once the CB is gone...it's GONE, and nothing can change that.
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A better follow through WILL allow you to generate more power with less effort. It's not about a longer contact on the cue ball it's the timing of your stroke, so that you are not slowing your stroke down before contact.

It seemed to me his timing could be improved, so I suggested working on the follow through. I apologize as I should have known that I don't know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:
 
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Cameron Smith said:
A better follow through WILL allow you to generate more power with less effort. It's not about a longer contact on the cue ball it's the timing of your stroke, so that you are not slowing your stroke down before contact.
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Good point, Cameron.

Roger
 
a better follow through will also require encourage elbow drop. even though it is after contact, under pressure, things can change.
 
Don't be so sensitive, Cameron. Followthrough doesn't mean anything if your timing is off...in that you're quite correct. However, like I said, as long as the cue is positioned (via the stance, bridge and grip) so that the cue is level when the tip strikes the CB, and the player's swing FINISHES at the end of his/her range of motion, the amount of speed generated will be dependent only on how quickly they accelerate the cuestick through their range of motion. Again...it doesn't matter if it's a half inch, or 10 inches (past the CB)...as long as the stroke finishes correctly according to how that person is built, and how their arm works with their body. You're certainly correct that it's ALL about timing.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Cameron Smith said:
A better follow through WILL allow you to generate more power with less effort. It's not about a longer contact on the cue ball it's the timing of your stroke, so that you are not slowing your stroke down before contact.

It seemed to me his timing could be improved, so I suggested working on the follow through. I apologize as I should have known that I don't know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:
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cue action

ur what me and del hill ( world snooker head coach and ronnie o sullivan s former coach) call a pecker!

u need to learn to drive the cueball
 
pecker

a pecker is someone who stabs at the cueball, (woodpecker at a tree), a driver is someone who lets the cue go through the white and hit the cueball properly, feeling the shot
 
I thought your stroke was fine and the only way he can get more follow through would be to drop his elbow and you dont wanna do that .
 
dropping ur elbow

dropping ur elbow is the advanced coaching in the snooker world now, del hill, (my mentor) former coach of ronnie o sullivan, teaches how to do this, he is world snooker head coach, daryl peach won world title after going to del, last 2 world amateur champions learnt how to drop there elbow peter ebdon, stephen hendry and graham dott won world titles after learningwith del to do this, i coach john morra, who i teach to do this, when will people wake up and realise that the coaching methods for pool and snooker where not dropping ur elbow is so out of date the game has advanced with science and that the drive of dropping ur elbow is natural and gives u more control than being a pecker and using ur wrist to play the shot, if your in toronto come see me and i will show you how to play like youve never played or hit the ball before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1s9oC5ebFs

elbow drop watch and learn
 
lee brett...Do you use slow motion/frame advance video review in teaching these "advanced coaching" techniques?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

lee brett said:
dropping ur elbow is the advanced coaching in the snooker world now, del hill, (my mentor) former coach of ronnie o sullivan, teaches how to do this, he is world snooker head coach, daryl peach won world title after going to del, last 2 world amateur champions learnt how to drop there elbow peter ebdon, stephen hendry and graham dott won world titles after learningwith del to do this, i coach john morra, who i teach to do this, when will people wake up and realise that the coaching methods for pool and snooker where not dropping ur elbow is so out of date the game has advanced with science and that the drive of dropping ur elbow is natural and gives u more control than being a pecker and using ur wrist to play the shot, if your in toronto come see me and i will show you how to play like youve never played or hit the ball before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1s9oC5ebFs

elbow drop watch and learn
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Scott Lee said:
lee brett...Do you use slow motion/frame advance video review in teaching these "advanced coaching" techniques?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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From the sounds of it, they used the best player to ever pick up a cue. I think you are right and wrong on this Scott. Great to see you post a reply other than get an instructor though.

Having a start and stop point is key... putting the stop at the wrong place is horrible. Sure it is after contact but the cue speed is slowing when he contacts the CB. On his force shots (back spins) he is cheating himself of cue power. He can improve cue power "WITH OUT SWINGING HARDER" by moving his bridge hand forward a couple inches and put the middle to 2/3 of his stroke at CB contact instead of the last inch. You are a very respected instructor here, but I think you need to talk about controlled cue power and the players that seem to generate it with ease. Ronnie being the best in world! His body doesn't move on max power!
 
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