My thoughts on Sky vs SVB
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Shane has won two World Pool
Masters (only person to win back to back), and also was runner up twice in the world 9b (and in my biased view Ko got some unbelievable rolls in the finals). And as Nick pointed out, he was rolling along in this years WC as long as they were using the template until they switched to wooden racks with questionable racking.
As an aside, I think every top pro is an expert at manipulation of the rack. And while I didn’t see 100% of the match with Sky, I did see Sky check Shane’s rack and never saw him complaining.
I'm pretty sure Mike Page has provided info in the past to show that someone's Fargo Rating applies equally as good on a 7-foot table as it does on a 9-foot table.
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And we all know for 80 percent of players that is not the case. Particularly players who rarely play on 9 footers.
Ummm, the question was more getting at the pros who normally play on 9-footers and then decide to play on a 7-footer. I would say for pros, the ratings will be very close. Mike Page can maybe answer your point, for a casual league player than only plays on 7-foot tables, will their ratings drop on a 9-foot table. You could be right, but we were discussing pros in this case and I recall Mike Page's info that he provided being for a pro (might have even been for Skylar).
EDIT: Thinking about the casual league players a little more. I think if 2 players only play on 7-foot tables then decide to play on a 9-foot table, both players will likely equally struggle more on the 9-footer. But guess what? As far as the ratings go, if they both struggle, the games won will probably end-up being the SAME as on the 7-footer. Thus, no change in ratings.
Here is the video. It is from 4 years ago, but (spoiler alert) Sky’s rating was almost identical on 7 and 9 footers.
I havent had a chance to watch the link, but with the technology today, I would like to see a breakdown of relevant stats for so called "kiddie" tables vs. 9ft tables. One would think there would be a drastic and obvious difference in BnR's, packages, accuracy etc.
As a league player that played half of each session on 7 ft. Diamonds and the other on 9 ft. Brunswick, I had more "rackless" , "break and runs", and "8 on the break " on the 9 footers than the diamonds. Maybe I am an anomaly?
I thoroughly enjoyed the sky vs. Shane match (minus the announcers). For those that won't watch world class pool on 7ft. tables , I would encourage you to give it another shot.
The same things that are paramount on any big table tourney are the same. Break well, choose the correct pattern, control the cueball...heck it might not be long until there are more world class tourneys on small tables...
As a league player that played half of each session on 7 ft. Diamonds and the other on 9 ft. Brunswick, I had more "rackless" , "break and runs", and "8 on the break " on the 9 footers than the diamonds. Maybe I am an anomaly?
I thoroughly enjoyed the sky vs. Shane match (minus the announcers). For those that won't watch world class pool on 7ft. tables , I would encourage you to give it another shot.
The same things that are paramount on any big table tourney are the same. Break well, choose the correct pattern, control the cueball...heck it might not be long until there are more world class tourneys on small tables...
Bar Box was invented to sell Beer. Not for the betterment of the game etc. Brunswick made the 9Footer "The Standard" so they could fit more tables in their Factory Designed Billiard rooms (used to be 10' was the norm).
world class tourneys on small tables...now there are 6 words that should never be mentioned in that order.
At the DCC what does everyone flock to (other than the late rounds of the One Pocket)? Answer: The Big Foot event. Notice how the straightest shooters in the World don't grow up or even compete on BB unless in the US. Off the top of your head. Who are the straightest shooters? The Euros are practicing 14.1. Fador has a 10Foot Diamond in his homeroom. The USA is doomed at Mosconi unless they put down the Crack Pipe (BB) and develop some Juniors who can't spell barbox.
Before you start...what about the congestion? BB is just as tough. Yeah sure. 14.1 & One Hole are played with a full rack and most if not all the balls are down in the bottom half.
world class tourneys on small tables...now there are 6 words that should never be mentioned in that order.
At the DCC what does everyone flock to (other than the late rounds of the One Pocket)? Answer: The Big Foot event. Notice how the straightest shooters in the World don't grow up or even compete on BB unless in the US. Off the top of your head. Who are the straightest shooters? The Euros are practicing 14.1. Fador has a 10Foot Diamond in his homeroom. The USA is doomed at Mosconi unless they put down the Crack Pipe (BB) and develop some Juniors who can't spell barbox.
Before you start...what about the congestion? BB is just as tough. Yeah sure. 14.1 & One Hole are played with a full rack and most if not all the balls are down in the bottom half.
I think AtLarge has posted stats like that for many tournaments, both 7 foot and 9 foot.
I’m sure there are differences, but since both players are playing on the same table, if run outs are easier on table A, that should apply to both players.
I don’t think you are necessarily an anomaly with your personal stats on 7 foot vs 9. Good ball pocketers who might not have precise CB control (eg someone who plays a lot of 9 foot 9b) sometimes have an easier time with 9 foot 8b. Bar table 8b is crowded and requires different skills - precise CB control, break out skills and smart pattern play.
As an aside, I think Fargo can be right about general rating on the two tables and yet certain match ups with favour different players on different tables and games. I saw Corey run over Biado some years ago playing BB 8b. Corey knew the break and he knew the patterns and Carlo didn’t, and that was the difference. I mean Carlo still got out almost every time he should even playing it “wrong”, but at that level it just takes blowing a few outs to make the difference - not to mention a few dry breaks. Give Carlo a few months of BB 8b practice and I think it changes.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying here. However, I think we can both agree that for now, the heyday of pool halls is gone...the days when every town had a pool hall, and heck, most larger hotels had a billiards room...
I don't know the answer to this, but how many pool halls do you find in Europe? Not the private clubs, but pool halls where everyday folks walk in and shoot pool?
I have been in a total of 2 English pubs. Both had valley clones in them. Not English 8 ball, not snooker, and not 9 footers. Regular old run of the mill valley bar boxes. Again, my experience with European pool is a single two week trip, but I imagine the economics there are similar. A choice between a single 9 footer, or a 7 footer and 2 dart boards...not really a choice at all.
Point is most casual and/or amateur players, the ones the industry needs to continue buying cues, cases, hustler t shirts, etc...they don't care what size table it is played on...just like most casual golf fans don't care if a course plays 5600 feet or 5000 feet.
If I had a choice, I would prefer that all pro tournaments were on 10-foot Diamond tables. But obviously players need to play on the tables available. I do still enjoy watching the best in the country or world play on 7 foot tables. It's not my preference, but seeing how strikingly better the pros play on a 7-footer is really fun for me to watch. In this match there was an 8-pack (SVB) and a 7-pack (Sky). Some were predicting a 10-pack would happen. If you like to see pure offense and packages strung together, you will certainly see more of that on a BB. The thing is, after a while you expect them NEVER to miss a ball, but they still do miss occasionally. If you "calibrate" your mind as to what you can expect to see, it still is enjoyable IMO. Great play is great play regardless of the table.
UK is an anamoly with their funny little tables. but they make sense in a crowded island with small pubs.
in the rest of europe there are mostly 9-ft tables, and in traditional pool halls. the only 10ft tables i've seen in pool halls are billiard tables. i think people do care what size they play on, atleast where i'm from. 7ft is what children play on here
A 7-pack was high for both players.
Well as good as some pros are on barboxes....they too are overrated on nine foot tables. There's many pros who clearly show this as well.
I'll gamble blind with the any guy who plays in a pool hall ...far as league or bar room players, well I'm particularly interested.