Names you thought should have been on IPT list

girlwon1

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I thought it would be interesting to put out the question of who you thought should have been on that list. I think it is valid not to only pick based on playing ability, but also personality and the IPT's ability to market these people. We all don't exactly know what his marketing strategy is yet, and how he is going to make this successful where other tours have failed. It is obvious he did use some other judging criteria other than just ability.
 
girlwon1 said:
I thought it would be interesting to put out the question of who you thought should have been on that list. I think it is valid not to only pick based on playing ability, but also personality and the IPT's ability to market these people. We all don't exactly know what his marketing strategy is yet, and how he is going to make this successful where other tours have failed. It is obvious he did use some other judging criteria other than just ability.

Nice thread Luv, ok how about...

Tony Crosby
Jimmy M
D Harriman
Chris S
Alex P (many other filipinos)
About 10,000 Taiwanes
Young Park?
Amir K
Richard B
Quite a Few Uk Players
Is Tony Drago On?
 
girlwon1 said:
I think it is valid not to only pick based on playing ability, but also personality and the IPT's ability to market these people.

Hey Tina. You and I are friends, so you know I'm not trying to be an ass here, but I do have a different opinion on that. I can't imagine going to an NBA game and watching some guy consistently turn the ball over, throw up bricks, and get taken to the hole play after play simply because the guy has personality. I can't imagine going to a PGA event and watching a guy fire a 90 and excuse it by saying, "well, he's a nice guy though and he's good with the crowd". The skill level has to be there to play in any "professional" sport. Personality is only a bonus. People who are good with the crowd AND play well enough to even be in front of a crowd are rare. I'm more inclined to believe that the people who got in for some reason other than playing ability got in for no other reason than they knew the right people.
 
hemmah
morro
okumura
pagulayan
orcullo
engert
yang
chao

although i cant be sure because i dont know half the names on the ipt list or how good they are.
 
Jimmy M. said:
Hey Tina. You and I are friends, so you know I'm not trying to be an ass here, but I do have a different opinion on that. I can't imagine going to an NBA game and watching some guy consistently turn the ball over, throw up bricks, and get taken to the hole play after play simply because the guy has personality. I can't imagine going to a PGA event and watching a guy fire a 90 and excuse it by saying, "well, he's a nice guy though and he's good with the crowd". The skill level has to be there to play in any "professional" sport. Personality is only a bonus. People who are good with the crowd AND play well enough to even be in front of a crowd are rare. I'm more inclined to believe that the people who got in for some reason other than playing ability got in for no other reason than they knew the right people.

Yes, Jimmy. You are completely right. I asked only from this stand point only because this seems to be the guidelines that the IPT used. It is obvious they didn't choose on ability alone. I think after the first season using the guidelines they themselves said they were going to use, that really the top 50 best players will stay, and the rest will have to just play better to get there. There will be cold hard stats to back up who stayed and who didnt make the top 50 player cut. Right now, it's their show, and they are staffing it how they want at this junction. I certainly do not agree with other perameters other than playing ability being used here. Any other sport is brutal how you have to go about qualifying. This is just an initial pick though, and as I stated before, once they get stats going through their system, they will maybe only use that to determine after the first season. Who knows? :confused: :rolleyes:
 
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girlwon1 said:
I thought it would be interesting to put out the question of who you thought should have been on that list. I think it is valid not to only pick based on playing ability, but also personality and the IPT's ability to market these people. We all don't exactly know what his marketing strategy is yet, and how he is going to make this successful where other tours have failed. It is obvious he did use some other judging criteria other than just ability.

There is a list of known/obvious players that should be on that list based on their credentials....

There are also a bunch that have questionalble credentials....Since this tour is being touted as a "top tier" big $$$ tour, it is only fitting that the best 150 be in the field based on some type of "earned spot"

Since they are spending quite a lot to get this tour going, why not have a qualifier event for those with "questionable" credentials...That alone would probably be a very good tournament, but it would insure that those with less than top tier credentials, that put up their cash to play at least got a "chance".

It would at least weed out the have $900.00 and wanna be a pro even though they have no chance against 125 of the 150 players in the field type players.

You don't get on the PGA tour by putting up $2500.00....You get on the PGA tour by putting up $2500.00 and playing 6 brutal rounds against a field of players that have earned their way past three prior stages of local and regional qualifying...

I for one would rather watch Earl's run out ability over some other players personality in a heart beat....

However.....It's his money...If he wants to give it all to Mike Segal...so be it..
 
It is pretty hard to answer this question if you dont know who applied and who did not. I am sure if Alex applied he would have been a shoe in, anything less then a immediate invite would make a mockery of the whole tour if he did not get in, therefore I am almost sure he did not apply. Phoebe posts here, she can probably let us know for sure.

Other names on the list ot there, Steve Davis? Another who should be there simply for the star power but who almost for sure did not apply due to his WPA connections and their stance on the IPT.

Drago should be on there, again I am not sure if he applied but if he did there are a ton of players on there he would destroy.

There are alot of players on that list that are indeed a joke, many of them female. There are 2 women in the world I figure have a legit chance to win on this tour, Corr and Fisher. The rest got gifted spots over men who could spot them the 6.

Chao and Wu and all the other taiwan players not being in this is a crime. I am sure they did not apply, hopefully the IPT does really well and drags them over to the USA next year with the promise of a chance for $1,000,000 winnings in a year.

I dont see this as a Sigel gift. He still has to deal with

Archer
Strickalnd
Immonen
Bustamente
Reyes
Chamat
Daulton
Deuel
Feijen
Frank
Hatch
Hohmann
Jones
Lely
Manalo
McCready
Morris
O'Sullivan
Owen
Parica
Putnam
Robles
Sambajon
Souquet
Stalev
Van De Berg
Williams (I am shocked Charlie applied)

Anyone who did not get in and wants to play the "However.....It's his money...If he wants to give it all to Mike Segal...so be it." card needs to wake up. There are a ton of top players in this tour that have been at the top of the world of pool for the past few years. I dont think missing a Jimmy Mendoza is justifiable to say KT is gifting the tour to Sigel when he instead gets to battle with Manalo and Hohmann and any of the other names in that list.

There are alot of players missing that should be on there. Some did not apply, some maybe slipped through the cracks. There are afew names on that list that are kind of a joke, but this tour drops the bottom 50 off every year and replaces them with the qualifiers from the next year, so if you all think Alvarez sucks so bad then rest assured this will be his first and last year as a IPT touring member and if you are oh so good maybe you will take his place with another 49 qualifiers. This first year a few people were likely to slip through the cracks. And with all the negativity and sceptisism towards the tour from the minute it was announced on this and other message boards it is no wonder afew people did not apply and followed the negative sentiments of this board. Way to go everyone. Now suck it up and next year when the qualifiers go on and the bottom 50 players get dropped off we will get alot more realistic 150 top player field for the 2007 season.
 
Celtic said:
I dont think missing a Jimmy Mendoza is justifiable to say KT is gifting the tour to Sigel when he instead gets to battle with Manalo and Hohmann and any of the other names in that list.

I've already said that there were others that should have been there before me. I don't know what your point is with using my name. There are plenty of others to use. Yeah, he gets to battle it out with Manalo and Hohmann, but he also gets to battle it out with some people that I won't name because I'm trying to be nice here. :D There really isn't much left to say. Quite a number of deserving players didn't get in while quite a number of questionable players did get in. Hopefully some of those questionable players do well enough to keep playing in 2007 and hopefully some of the players who didn't make the initial list, but are valid competitors against that list, will qualify to play in the next season. I hope this tour really works out. It's great that there will finally be some real money in pool. I know I'll be hitting balls looking for opportunities where I can try to qualify to get in. I'm sure a lot of other people will be doing the same thing.
 
Hopefully, once the dust settles from round one, there will be some kind of qualifier so that only the best gets in. There are a lot of great names in that list but there are others that are, well let's just say, not so great.

Koop
 
Celtic said:
It is pretty hard to answer this question if you dont know who applied and who did not. I am sure if Alex applied he would have been a shoe in, anything less then a immediate invite would make a mockery of the whole tour if he did not get in, therefore I am almost sure he did not apply. Phoebe posts here, she can probably let us know for sure.

Other names on the list ot there, Steve Davis? Another who should be there simply for the star power but who almost for sure did not apply due to his WPA connections and their stance on the IPT.

Drago should be on there, again I am not sure if he applied but if he did there are a ton of players on there he would destroy.

There are alot of players on that list that are indeed a joke, many of them female. There are 2 women in the world I figure have a legit chance to win on this tour, Corr and Fisher. The rest got gifted spots over men who could spot them the 6.

Chao and Wu and all the other taiwan players not being in this is a crime. I am sure they did not apply, hopefully the IPT does really well and drags them over to the USA next year with the promise of a chance for $1,000,000 winnings in a year.

I dont see this as a Sigel gift. He still has to deal with

Archer
Strickalnd
Immonen
Bustamente
Reyes
Chamat
Daulton
Deuel
Feijen
Frank
Hatch
Hohmann
Jones
Lely
Manalo
McCready
Morris
O'Sullivan
Owen
Parica
Putnam
Robles
Sambajon
Souquet
Stalev
Van De Berg
Williams (I am shocked Charlie applied)

Anyone who did not get in and wants to play the "However.....It's his money...If he wants to give it all to Mike Segal...so be it." card needs to wake up. There are a ton of top players in this tour that have been at the top of the world of pool for the past few years. I dont think missing a Jimmy Mendoza is justifiable to say KT is gifting the tour to Sigel when he instead gets to battle with Manalo and Hohmann and any of the other names in that list.

There are alot of players missing that should be on there. Some did not apply, some maybe slipped through the cracks. There are afew names on that list that are kind of a joke, but this tour drops the bottom 50 off every year and replaces them with the qualifiers from the next year, so if you all think Alvarez sucks so bad then rest assured this will be his first and last year as a IPT touring member and if you are oh so good maybe you will take his place with another 49 qualifiers. This first year a few people were likely to slip through the cracks. And with all the negativity and sceptisism towards the tour from the minute it was announced on this and other message boards it is no wonder afew people did not apply and followed the negative sentiments of this board. Way to go everyone. Now suck it up and next year when the qualifiers go on and the bottom 50 players get dropped off we will get alot more realistic 150 top player field for the 2007 season.

Mike was already handed $150K....Now he is gauranteed to play in the finals of the first event...... (That is all I was "joking" about...perhaps it was a little sarcastic) ...BTW...Did you notice on the IPT site that he is the Leading Money Winner on tour so far?? :D :D

If they were to refund the $900.00 of the players that never even got a chance to qualify, or grant them a carry over until the qualifier of next year...I agree with you "suck it up" ....Like I said previously...I hope the tour is still around next year for them to get a "chance"

And I never said he was gifting it to Segal cause Mendoza was not granted a spot...I never even said Mendoza is a lock....I think Mendoza would fall in to the questionable credentials catagory and would need to play in a qualifier...The two names you mentioned as well as the ones I am sure you are thinking about have won "notable" events that would give them qualifying power...so to speak...

However.....There are a lot of other "questionable" credentials that did get in that probably would not fare too well if they had to play Mendoza......JMO

I just hope that "all" that had the guts to put up their $900.00 actually gets a "chance".....

Next Year is a long way away.....
 
Enough about Alex Pagulayan.

I want to know where the heck Billy Jay Trotter is :mad:
That man and his cuetech would certainly spear his way to the top.

In memory of BJT
 

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Definitely Hemmah. I spoke to him last night and he was hoping to make it. Also, Dan Wallace who plays all games great. Jimmy M shoulda made it too. Morro for being runner up at WPC 2000. Chao for being a great player. A few taiwanese and a couple of filipinos that several people mentioned already. It looks like both of us need to cough up 1000 to try and qualify in November/December for 2007 Jimmy :rolleyes: But I firmly believe that the politics will filter out after the first season Jimmy. The players who deserve to be on the tour will be on, considering it lasts that long. But i think this could be the tour everybody has been waiting for. :)
 
BRKNRUN said:
Mike was already handed $150K....Now he is gauranteed to play in the finals of the first event...... (That is all I was "joking" about...perhaps it was a little sarcastic) ...BTW...Did you notice on the IPT site that he is the Leading Money Winner on tour so far?? :D :D

Sigel was definately gifted the $150,000, it was spoon fed to the guy. I have never seen anything that states Sigel is for sure automatically in the finals of this first event. If someone shows me where that is for sure, or if it ends up we find out that it is indeed true when the tourney happens, then I agree as well that it is a joke in the extreme that a guy beats a washed up retired former pro female for $150,000 and then to top it off is gifted the finals of the next event for another smoking payday. I REALLY hope the rumor mill on Sigel being already in the finals is wrong because that is a sham in the extreme.

BRKNRUN said:
If they were to refund the $900.00 of the players that never even got a chance to qualify, or grant them a carry over until the qualifier of next year...I agree with you "suck it up" ....Like I said previously...I hope the tour is still around next year for them to get a "chance"

There is no $899 entry fee. It costs $1 for your tour card. And the only people that have to pay that $1 are those that were accepted. The $899 fee was removed quite a while ago and I have never heard of anyone that actually paid. I applied for the tour, got an email saying they got the application and I was being considered. It never cost me a thing. I did not get in, but neither did alot of players that have way more credentials so I am pretty content.

BRKNRUN said:
However.....There are a lot of other "questionable" credentials that did get in that probably would not fare too well if they had to play Mendoza......JMO

I agree, Jimmy can play, there are players in the tour, the marshmallows spoke about in the other thread that seem they are just there to make the top players look good by comparison that Jimmy would destroy. Some of the names are odd, It seems they are there for nothing more then to show how bad the average player does on these types of tables against this type of competition. I am happy that next year those people will have the truth put to them with the boot from the tour for being in the bottom 150. Alot of the truely top names are tough to call unless you know for sure that they applied and were not accepted or that they simply did not apply.

This tour has had negative feedback galore from the getgo long before the Sigel match. I think it is time to just sit back and let it go and have fun watching it. More negativity like this thread is not really going to help this sport and it is not going to change much. I think it is time to give the IPT the benefit of the doubt and let it work itself out. Sigel is going to be forced to perform in the long run, he wont be able to sit on his laurels for long if he indeed gets that gift to the finals. The next time someone is the king of the hill they will have deserved it because they did not beat some retired out of form female who would lose to most pro level men getting spotted 5 games in a race to 9 8-ball.
 
MexPoolPlyr said:
Definitely Hemmah. I spoke to him last night and he was hoping to make it.

I'm actually pretty surprised that Tang or Dave didn't make it. At least your dad did! :)

Are you going to San Diego next weekend? I'm going to New Mexico instead. They have a calcutta and the tournament is going to be played on Diamonds this year. I think they get more players than that particular tournament in San Diego also (with a little higher entry fee).
 
Are you kidding me?

Cmon Jimmy. YOU KNOW Ill be in San Diego. Especially with all this excitement. Im learning more and more. Came in 3rd last night at HT so Im not such a fish anymore :) Good luck in NM. check ur PM's
 
MexPoolPlyr said:
Cmon Jimmy. YOU KNOW Ill be in San Diego. Especially with all this excitement. Im learning more and more. Came in 3rd last night at HT so Im not such a fish anymore :) Good luck in NM. check ur PM's
You've come a long way with your game, I'm glad to hear that. Your dad is very deserving of his selection to the tour, w/o a doubt. You'll be up there in no time. Congrats on your finish at H.T. Keep hittin' 'em straight Oscar, you deserve it too with the back ground in pool that you have. Peace, John. Oh, BTW, I agree, Dave Hemmah and Tang Hoa should be on that list too. But then again, not to take away anything about their game, there's probably a thousand players that are more deserving of being on that list than 100 of them that are.
 
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