Exactly!!
The big picture looks like this.
$125,000 total payout advertised.roughly $30,000 actually paid (Estimated)
Napa national payout issue
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Exactly!!
The big picture looks like this.
$125,000 total payout advertised.roughly $30,000 actually paid (Estimated)
what you put in bold is the same for any tournament..... BASED ON A FULL FIELD.
DANG I WISH I KNEW HOW TO POST THOSE BIG ASS LETTERS LOL..
and yea i think the pay outs sucked this year.
i love the napa league and i hope they get their act together before next year.
The "Based on a full field" is a weak argument. First the page doesn't say that. Second, The registration closed a month before the Tournament. They knew exactly what amount of participation they would have.
You can see the page with the giant $125,000 at the Napa website. click on 2013 nationals, then click on Register online.
You can see the page with the giant $125,000 at the Napa website. click on 2013 nationals, then click on Register online.
Yes you are correct and I never argued with you about NAPA basing the payouts on participation. The poster before you is misinformed-the registration deadline kept on being pushed back I'm guessing due to a lack of participants.
I'm guessing this is because people are not seeing any merit in going to nationals and overall participation is down. That being said the fact that they have always based the prize fund on participation does not mean it's right.
The first couple of years it was understandable but now that the league has been around a few years and seen some growth the national tournament should see some growth as well and the two main ways I see of doing that are to pick an attractive venue that caters to the average pool player and make the national event an added event.
Otherwise what are you offering with your product other than just another cash league with a random tournament in a random city once a year?
Make no mistake-you are selling a product to consumers in a competitive market and if you do not adapt to the changing environment you will be pushed aside. Ignore me and all the others if you want but in the long run it will only hurt you and the league will probably have to fold or become a shadow of what it could be.
Exactly.
As for payouts, they should be posted when the board goes up at the absolute latest. Why wait til half the field is eliminated to post the payouts? It's incredibly simple math if it's based on participation, once the board is laid out. Yet for every single bracket it took a full day after matches started for them to post the payouts.
Bottom line is, this event was not run like a 'National' event should have been run, which should have been professional, not by the seat of their pants with changing parameters daily. It's sad because our local LO, whom I know well, probably would have run a far better event than the organizers did. He runs our various league nights like a business, one that he takes pride in. It's fair for everyone, and he follows through on his word, as opposed to making promises or grand statements he can't back up. I, personally, am not mad over this year's Nationals, so much as I'm disappointed because I like the format of NAPA so much and would rather see it succeed. I have my doubts after this year, and if it doesn't get it's act together and start running things professionally, I'm only going to be left with other league choices that are less desirable due to their systems being flawed with handicap issues, etc. Please NAPA, get it figured out and get some professional help running your league.
I do not work for NAPA at all, just relaying the information that is provided.
i agree with you and zpele. i think napa is the best league over all but i also am disappointed about the pay out structure.
my napa lo is not only a good friend but he is a straight and honest lo. he has also played on my apa team for the last year.
i hope the national office learns of every ones disapointment and improves upon this year before they lose membership.
.50 cents a player per week you mean? Does it state that in any shape or form added to the prize fund at Nationals? Nope. I'm going to assume from basic common sense the .50 cents per player weekly revenue goes to operate the league nationally. Also the rental of tables for both national events are purchased along with this revenue to compensate for staff and operations during both national events.
Keep reaching for the ZERO... You will find it soon, and you will then look like a complete moron.
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Alright let's stop with this five cents nonsense. The league doesn't keep five cents per player per match. The league keeps a percentage of the match fee per player per match whatever that is- it's decided by the local LO. I don't remember the percentage exactly but I think it is something on the order of 5% which is a lot more than five cents.
Since you aren't an actual employee of the league I would suggest stopping with this spewing of facts. What I and all of us want to hear is some sort of actual explanation from someone who runs the league but I don't know if he is part of the forum.
Aker I'm not sure if you are still in Atlanta but if you are would it be possible to bring this thread up to the owner or his wife so that they can respond? I don't know who he is but his wife was on the floor multiple times helping to run things.
No. They'll be posted as stated in the event description. Again.. When the official results are posted, I know that a majority of NAPA members will be content with the decisions made to pay 25% of the field OF EVERY BRACKET.. Even though events of this nature, where a Greens Fee is the baseline for participation and payout (100% of greens), that normally a 12.5% baseline is used.. A well respected and 35 year veteran of our sport in the entire Midwest made that call. A well respected call!
And you have the experience to run National Events?
You Local LO is Whom?
Then why are your trolling and making statements and accusations based on others accounts?
There are a slew of other league choices! And guess what? If the donation to them satisfies your return on investment, please.. Private message me and let me know those figures.
Have a great day.
Paid out $12-30k? Do you even know what was paid out? Do you? I don't even know. How can you make accusations when the final results haven't been posted? I can assure you that it is $50k +.. and once the final tallies are OFFICIALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY posted, then you'll have your answer. Until then, quit making assumptions to perpetuate false accusations.
NAPA members don't pay a yearly sanction fee. Is that what you're referencing?
.50 cents.. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. LET'S CRUNCH THAT NUMBER.. That's 50 matches, at $25/yr.... 50 matches........ 50 matches...... 50 matches...... Do you play 50 matches in a year for any league through 3 sessions? Do you? Do you?
Oh wait... BCA? $15.00 a year... If your operator remembers that you paid it, and forces you to pay it again. So most BCAPL members pay $30 sanctions from incompetence and failed technology as well. Oh, wait.. Plus $11 for VNEA, when leagues try to ride on each others coat-tails cause they can't make it on their own, by themselves, cause their freaking scared! So thats $45.00 a year.. And .50 cents a player per week @ $45.00 is what? 90 matches? 90 Matches? Do you play 90 matches a year for any amateur organization? NO YOU DON'T
STFU... And stop trolling.
Aker stop with attacks. This should be a constructive thread. That being said please respond to my last comment if you would be so kind.
As for the payouts for 9ball they totaled about 10k. I know because I added the official payouts up directly from the official payouts pinned to the tournament wall. I won't pretend to hazard a guess at what the other tournaments paid out.
I will once again ask that if you are still in Atlanta you direct the owners to this thread so that they can address it rather than just argue your points strongly.
Akers you are further damaging the Napa leauge with your rude responses. I understand that you are frustrated but it would better serve your cause to lighten up a bit. I've never played Napa before but if you mirror the people running it, I'm sure they are doomed for failure. Take a deep breath and regain control. Learn to be diplomatic if you chose to defend your cause. Just my two cents.
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I reported him and turned him "red"... just because I can. Oh, he will respond in kind, but with over 10K posts, it won't put a dent in me
This is crazy. Stop with the misinformation. The $40 was for the tables. The payout was intended to come from the $.50 per match per player. They didn't even have a $40.00 fee until last year when they stopped plugging the tables.
The biggest problem in pool for decades has been promoters that pillaged and raped to line their pockets. Everyone knows this. It's not a secret. If you want to be a promoter that's fine. I applaud you and support you, but you better have your ducks in a row and be transparent about the obvious things. People will demand it, and it's not because they are sore sports.
akerr, I didn't bother 'quoting' you because every post you've made on here has been trolling. It would spam the entire thread. I've run leagues in the past that had more weekly member participation than the NAPA Nationals turnout numbers. So yes, I've run events larger than that. They dropped the ball this year and all you're doing is trolling folks for being upset about it. They screwed up payouts, brackets, venue, and couldn't even hand out most of the trophies because the engraving was messed up on those. Yes, it was still a National event and there was a lot of really good pool played and that salvaged it for me at least, but we're on here because we care. If we didn't, we would all just leave and take our business elsewhere. You defending Tony and the rest of the folks that dropped the ball on many issues while slamming those of us who are trying to point out things that need to be corrected going forward, is not helping your rep, nor is it helping NAPA's. The first step to being a successful business when things go wrong, is identifying the problem, owning it, then fixing it...NOT making excuses for it. Issues like 25% of the field being paid aren't the problem. That's standard and everyone who's ever run anything know that. The folks on here do as well. The issue is the structuring of that 25%, and things like the constant changing of what league members were told and promised. Even the vendors were lied to at this event. Several didn't show up and some left, because they were given word they would have exclusivity of certain things and then didn't get it. It's obvious you're friends with Tony and Robin and I understand your wanting to defend them, but nobody needs defended here. I'll state it one last time then I'm done with this thread....most of us are on here because we actually like NAPA and want it to succeed. Hell, go look at all the past posts I've made praising NAPA as the best league out there. There are many. Try to keep that in mind if and when you continue your breaking down of folks comments on here.