National Standards for Pool Teaching Curricula
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naji:
The BCA put out an Instructor's Manual about fifteen years ago. It was well composed and served a good purpose for its time. However, as with all other sports, new research and new teaching techniques came along, and the concepts that were presented in the BCA manual would probably be considered lacking, today. Unfortunately, the manual was never updated, and at last report, it would not be.
So, in answer to your question; no, there are no "standards" that all instructors and schools use.
Roger
The BCA put out an Instructor's Manual about fifteen years ago. It was well composed and served a good purpose for its time. However, as with all other sports, new research and new teaching techniques came along, and the concepts that were presented in the BCA manual would probably be considered lacking, today. Unfortunately, the manual was never updated, and at last report, it would not be.
So, in answer to your question; no, there are no "standards" that all instructors and schools use.
Roger
It's a completely unregulated industry.
There are pros and cons.
CON: Without regulation there are no real standards and any certifications or credentials are really "just paper".
PRO: Lack of regulation keeps costs down for the consumer and for the service provider.
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There are pros and cons.
CON: Without regulation there are no real standards and any certifications or credentials are really "just paper".
PRO: Lack of regulation keeps costs down for the consumer and for the service provider.
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If you attend an SPF academy, the "standards" will very likely be the same. We expect all of our instructors to hold to a high standard of quality...and we offer them support, whenever needed.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Thanks Roger, and all.
naji
the pbia school of instructors of which scott lee and randyg are involved in
have standards to teach their system
why did you thank roger and ignore( not mention him by name) scott???
just askin
Re: Your response to Mr. Naji - Today, 07:15 PM
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Larry, who are you?
who are you???
just askin
I'm just a guy that stumbled onto AZB when buying a shaft.
It just seems rather odd that you make a post 'scolding' someone for not specifically thanking 'some' by name.
Mr. Long's response was more specific to his 'general' question where Mr. Lee's was SPF specific. He did say 'and all'.
Should I now make a post regarding you being the thank you police.
ricks pm to me and a reply
there is more
sorry to derail your thread
want this to be public
rick i am larry and not a made up poster to be the second poster of the same person
i make comments as i see them
i have no "agenda"
dont know why you have aspersoins toward me
but you are the kind of guy i wish to avoid
you live in your world and ill ive in mine
ok
larry (bbb)
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Originally Posted by bbb
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Originally Posted by ENGLISH!
Larry, who are you?
who are you???
just askin
I'm just a guy that stumbled onto AZB when buying a shaft.
It just seems rather odd that you make a post 'scolding' someone for not specifically thanking 'some' by name.
Mr. Long's response was more specific to his 'general' question where Mr. Lee's was SPF specific. He did say 'and all'.
Should I now make a post regarding you being the thank you police.
ricks pm to me and a reply
there is more
sorry to derail your thread
want this to be public
rick i am larry and not a made up poster to be the second poster of the same person
i make comments as i see them
i have no "agenda"
dont know why you have aspersoins toward me
but you are the kind of guy i wish to avoid
you live in your world and ill ive in mine
ok
larry (bbb)
I just thought that your post 'scolding' Mr. Naji for not thanking Mr. Lee by name was odd.
So, I simply asked you about it in a 'private message'.
You are the one that initially contacted me with regards to Mr. Lee in PM.
Your behavior now seems very familiar.
None of this should be in this thread. I'm done if you are.
Again Thanks English for speaking the right thing, i did say thanks to all, and started with 1st that responded, Roger. But BBB message sounded like i was ignoring Scott, and PBIA, and did not want him to think so, so i complied.
Back on track
Lets try and get this thread back on track after the derail by English and BBB.. I just took some lessons and im sure there are people out there not getting there money worth. I think pbia is was to go. Has any one had instruction not certified?
Lets try and get this thread back on track after the derail by English and BBB.. I just took some lessons and im sure there are people out there not getting there money worth. I think pbia is was to go. Has any one had instruction not certified?
Thanks J-Flo for bringing this thread back to order, i was hoping for an answer, of "yes there is a committee that regulates how pool is taught, and look at all instructional material out there and certify" but unfortunately there is no such committee. Until then, word or mouth is your best bet. Certainly some form of certification from PBIA , or BCA.. would be a big plus.
Be careful what you ask for.
I really don't think a system of certification or regulation would be a good thing here.
My wife goes to occasional quilting classes and sewing classes. She has also taught classes in related areas. No certifications needed. No regulation. Everybody is happy, everybody is fine.
If you want real certifications that will require real enforceable regulations. Then you'll have lots of people in your business that you don't really want in your business. Trust me on that.
The best instruction in pool is via mentor-ship. For those that want to make a business out of lessons, charging by the hour or by the lesson, more power to you. I always hope you do well. The sport could use full time professional coaches for the pros...but they don't make enough money to have that. Work as a house pro? Great! Please do! I did it a long time ago. The only "credentials" I had was probably BCA membership.
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I really don't think a system of certification or regulation would be a good thing here.
My wife goes to occasional quilting classes and sewing classes. She has also taught classes in related areas. No certifications needed. No regulation. Everybody is happy, everybody is fine.
If you want real certifications that will require real enforceable regulations. Then you'll have lots of people in your business that you don't really want in your business. Trust me on that.
The best instruction in pool is via mentor-ship. For those that want to make a business out of lessons, charging by the hour or by the lesson, more power to you. I always hope you do well. The sport could use full time professional coaches for the pros...but they don't make enough money to have that. Work as a house pro? Great! Please do! I did it a long time ago. The only "credentials" I had was probably BCA membership.
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this may be a bad analogy
but if you look at martial arts there are various "forms" each discipline has
its style
to advance in a particular style you have pass their tests
pbia has one set of guidelines
bca may have others
bruce lee developed his own style
and was very successfull
what im trying to say
im not sure only one test or method should be "the national standard"
in spite of the above i think forming a "core curriculum" of common fundamentals as general topics could be done
how to teach them would be difficult
for example we all know stance/stroke are important "fundamentals"
but among the pros you see many different stances and strokes
so how do you define "standard"??
and if the standard guidelines say you have to teach the stance and stroke as part of curricula has that done anything to assure good instruction??
but if you look at martial arts there are various "forms" each discipline has
its style
to advance in a particular style you have pass their tests
pbia has one set of guidelines
bca may have others
bruce lee developed his own style
and was very successfull
what im trying to say
im not sure only one test or method should be "the national standard"
in spite of the above i think forming a "core curriculum" of common fundamentals as general topics could be done
how to teach them would be difficult
for example we all know stance/stroke are important "fundamentals"
but among the pros you see many different stances and strokes
so how do you define "standard"??
and if the standard guidelines say you have to teach the stance and stroke as part of curricula has that done anything to assure good instruction??
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I'll bet your wife is not certified by some national group. When the BCA issues a certificate of competence they are assuming some responsibility. At the least they should be clear on what they are certifying and what they are not certifying.
Your idea that the "House Pro" should do the teaching is a good one. Perhaps all "certified" instructors should only be allowed with their certificate to practice in a public pool room that carries insurance and is always in the public eye. It would be easy enough to include this on a certificate and thus limit the BCA's liability. Legal council is needed here. Perhaps you could ask your sister?:embarrassed2:
I'll bet your wife is not certified by some national group. When the BCA issues a certificate of competence they are assuming some responsibility. At the least they should be clear on what they are certifying and what they are not certifying.
Your idea that the "House Pro" should do the teaching is a good one. Perhaps all "certified" instructors should only be allowed with their certificate to practice in a public pool room that carries insurance and is always in the public eye. It would be easy enough to include this on a certificate and thus limit the BCA's liability. Legal council is needed here. Perhaps you could ask your sister?:embarrassed2:
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