NaySayers and YeaSayers

Tramp Steamer said:
I give up JoeyA. You win.
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TS, this is about the only smart move left with the CTE num-nuts. Intelligent discussion and debate with them is not possible, though putting some of them on Ignore helps (a lot :-)

They have drunk the Kool-aid, smoked their wacky tabacee, and are dancing around their little campfire nekked wearing tinfoil hats (a tad too tight) in celebration of a "victory" they don't even realize to be Pyrrhic.

Lou Figueroa
 
pablocruz said:
Hey Patrick, since you can't explain CTE/Pro-1 let's make it a little easier on you! Can you explain the geometric correctness of how "FEEL" works?
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It is based on intuition. "FEEL" is not a "system". How do you feel about that?

You are 14" away, at a 22 degree angle, from a ball a diamond away from the pocket on the short rail. You need to break out the middle ball of a cluster, 1 1/2 diamonds from the opposite side on the opposite short rail. Explain with geometry, using CTE, how you are going to do that and with what speed and english and what the results will be.

That question is, of course, loaded. You may use an aiming method for the shot, but all of the little pieces you will have to put together using what you've learned while playing. If you say no, I'll just toss in tip type, shaft and a few other things that you have to get a 'feel' for.

Let's all get on the merry-go-round of posts called the 'aiming system discussion'. :thumbup:
 
Walk slowly away from the tin foil

Lou,
I regret to inform you (you'll be hearing from my lawyer) that I have the trademark on Tinfoil hats. The CTH'rs can't have it. One day if Hal H passes I will use it the channel his spirit the way Joe Rogan channeled Earl.

You have to play the theme song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D7-K6-oNFs8

Instruction Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OydnLnW1mH4&feature=related

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lfigueroa said:
TS, this is about the only smart move left with the CTE num-nuts. Intelligent discussion and debate with them is not possible, though putting some of them on Ignore helps (a lot :-)

They have drunk the Kool-aid, smoked their wacky tabacee, and are dancing around their little campfire nekked wearing tinfoil hats (a tad too tight) in celebration of a "victory" they don't even realize to be Pyrrhic.

Lou Figueroa
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Banks said:
It is based on intuition. "FEEL" is not a "system". How do you feel about that?

You are 14" away, at a 22 degree angle, from a ball a diamond away from the pocket on the short rail. You need to break out the middle ball of a cluster, 1 1/2 diamonds from the opposite side on the opposite short rail. Explain with geometry, using CTE, how you are going to do that and with what speed and english and what the results will be.

That question is, of course, loaded. You may use an aiming method for the shot, but all of the little pieces you will have to put together using what you've learned while playing. If you say no, I'll just toss in tip type, shaft and a few other things that you have to get a 'feel' for.

Let's all get on the merry-go-round of posts called the 'aiming system discussion'. :thumbup:
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Aiming isn't intuitive!! By intuition, you mean Guess!
 
lfigueroa said:
TS, this is about the only smart move left with the CTE num-nuts. Intelligent discussion and debate with them is not possible, though putting some of them on Ignore helps (a lot :-)

They have drunk the Kool-aid, smoked their wacky tabacee, and are dancing around their little campfire nekked wearing tinfoil hats (a tad too tight) in celebration of a "victory" they don't even realize to be Pyrrhic.

Lou Figueroa
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Aw, what the hell. I feel like poking the trolls today! Too bad you guys see change as a threat and not an opportunity. We yeasayers don't have to have an answer to every one of your questions for CTE/Pro-1 to be a workable system. To you naysayers out there, the one's that are consumed by the what if's, why's or buts, nothing will ever get done for you people. You're never gonna have your answers because you will continue to ask other naysayers the what if's and will never stop to think for yourselves and innovate and contribute something to the game. There's also the one's who force others to use non-answers as answers and call it "FEEL". These sort of people don't want to persue anything that hasn't been persued.Your adherence to delusion and dogmatism makes you an unfit candidate for a more complete understanding of CTE/Pro-1!!
 
There are two big matches coming up involving three of the world's best. I'll be watching Earl, Johnny, and SVB to see how they pivot into their shots.
BTW You know if any pro was going to give a gimmick a try it would be Earl and I don't see him lining up wrong and pivoting back to the ball. Earl's a sucker for lots of stuff and even he is smart enough to know that cte sh!t is stupid.

Also, shouting victory doesn't mean you have won anything. Until we see the top pros using this cte crutch I'm afraid you have lost. If it was the best way to aim, surely those who play for a living would be using it.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You're a surprise to me, Joey. I thought you were more adult.

To tell you the truth, I'm pretty tired of AzB even without the CTE nonsense; there are really no longer any other threads that interest me either.

As I've said over and over (for more than 15 years), these "x angle" systems have some good points and are undoubtedly useful to those who like them. But I can't help but wonder: why are those who like them always so dense?

pj
chgo
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It's actually been 13 years and not 15 since you started spewing your drivel. What you've said over that time period is everything possible to denigrate CTE or any of Hal's systems, humiliate and belittle him or anyone who used the aiming systems, and continuously spew misinformation and lies regarding how they were executed as well as what shot angles could be pocketed from the 3 aiming lines on each side of the OB, which is ALL of them from 1 degree to 88 degrees. You did it based on a lack of knowledge regarding the pivot being the key factor as well as a need to elevate yourself among the forum members as some kind of pool know-it-all guru.

So what will you do or say about this post? Naturally you'll try to deny, spin, or twist it stating otherwise or come out with a snippy little one-liner as you always do.

But I have an idea. I'll go back to RSB for 13 years which is easy enough to do and all of your posts here on AZ and we can start copying and pasting what you REALLY said. I'll do the ones where you posted negatively and you post the ones where you said that CTE or any of Hal's 3 line aiming methods were beneficial. How does that sound? Somehow I just get this feeling I'll end up winning with a score of 3, 452 to ZERO. LOL
 
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eezbank said:
It's actually been 13 years and not 15 since you started spewing your drivel. What you've said over that time period is everything possible to denigrate CTE or any of Hal's systems, humiliate and belittle him or anyone who used the aiming systems, and continuously spew misinformation and lies regarding how they were executed as well as what shot angles could be pocketed from the 3 aiming lines on each side of the OB, which is ALL of them from 1 degree to 88 degrees. You did it based on a lack of knowledge regarding the pivot being the key factor as well as a need to elevate yourself among the forum members as some kind of pool know-it-all guru.

So what will you do or say about this post? Naturally you'll try to deny, spin, or twist it stating otherwise or come out with a snippy little one-liner as you always do.

But I have an idea. I'll go back to RSB for 13 years which is easy enough to do and all of your posts here on AZ and we can start copying and pasting what you REALLY said. I'll do the ones where you posted negatively and you post the ones where you said that CTE or any of Hal's 3 line aiming methods were beneficial. How does that sound? Somehow I just get this feeling I'll end up winning with a score of 3, 452 to ZERO. LOL
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WOW! I'm glad to see that others have seen the "paper trail" of PJ's "drivel".

There was a time and not long ago where I fought for Patrick's reinstatement to this forum because of some of his usefulness to the forum. I no long feel any desire to support Patrick with his mean-spirited one liner comments to most members of this forum.

PJ's constant ridiculing of posters is a pox on the forum and certainly keep many from posting here. Unfortunately, I no longer believe that Patrick's postings are worthwhile picking through and over-looking his constant denigration of other posters.

Silent and more reserved readers must look at his posts in this forum and say, "I don't think this is the place for me".

Sorry Patrick, I just don't like your style of posting. I used to be able to stomach it because you aren't all bad.


JoeyA
 
jsp said:
I'm beginning to feel the same way about your style of posting. This subject has got you on tilt. Calm down.

jsp <~~ "lou-sah"[/QUOTE

Go eat some "grapes", you sound constipated.
JoeyA
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Just released from Wikileaks is this photo of the inner counsel of CTE proponents. Hmmmm, maybe there are secert hidden CTE messeages in the movie.
 
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:) lol i can just picture Pj swearing and pointing at the monitor when he posts in these threads hahahaha
 
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pablocruz said:
Aiming isn't intuitive!! By intuition, you mean Guess!
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How cute. The only CTE'er to try and answer the question and all you did was dodge it. This is why the others think that the entire idea is full of holes. Try answering a question seriously, maybe you'd get somewhere.

Heck, you wouldn't want to come off as full of hot air and make Stan look bad now, would you?

"1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
3. a keen and quick insight.
4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.
5. Philosophy .
a. an immediate cognition of an object not inferred or determined by a previous cognition of the same object.
b. any object or truth so discerned.
c. pure, untaught, noninferential knowledge."

Guess? I asked you to answer a question that needs you to figure out something, but all you can do is try to question my use of intuitive?

Either CTE involves this "FEEL" that you so loath, or it doesn't. Which is it? Are you needing to be taught how to hit a baseball, or can you figure it out on your own? :confused:

We can get some of those little jesters bells for your tinfoil, if that's what you want. ;)

You tried to act like you were going to be serious, so I asked a simple question about one scenario. Either you can answer it or not. So far the answer is not.
 
champ2107 said:
that post is a big blur, banks. Lets start fresh ok and lets be honest.

Whats your opinion on stans cte/pro1?
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My opinion of CTE/Pro1 is that it is a tool that is helpful to some players. That is a good thing, since I'd rather people get better at the game. I believe, as is said, that it helps those people align correctly and have a more systematic/consistent approach to their shots.

Not everybody plays the same way. Not everybody learns the same way. I will take shots differently for a runout than others will, because those are the shots I feel more comfortable with and how my mind operates. Does that make myself or others wrong if we achieve the same goal with the same consistency, just with different methods? I don't think so.

(Another analogy) Like with baseball, you can have great coaching and great mechanics. At the end of the day, you still have to hit a ball at a to-be-determined spot. You must use your mind to apply what you have learned to make the shot. Open shots are one thing, where strictly a single method may apply. Once you have to make mental calculations of where you want the CB to travel by force(through english), it becomes an analog process, where how you hit the ball can come down to Nth degrees in terms of speed, draw, side, angle of hit, etc. I believe that aiming systems can help in lining up for the shot, but applying all of the different parts of the shot requires having a feel, based on past experience.

I've known people that were horrible at doing things, but great at teaching them. That, to me, means there is a breakdown somewhere between the mind and the muscles in performing the action. This is where a lot of pool players are. Bad stroke, misjudged shot, misjudged speed, etc. A system may help people recalibrate their shots. Some people simply don't do well with systems, though.

In other words, my opinion on this now is.. we're both right.
 
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