neat hoppe conversion carom
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Kilby Before you make those statement ... you should check your source, especially been a carom cuemaker
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/helmsetter/3_Cushion_series.htm
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/hall_of_fame/williehoppe-wh3.htm
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/hall_of_fame/williehoppe-wh2.htm
Shame on you
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I'll stand by my observation. I care less that the cue is "new." Stylistically it is a snooker cue, Mr. Hoppe did not play snooker, and I see no evidence that the Hoppe signature has been authorized by the family. Learn a little history, then teach me something....
The New Willie Hoppe and Helmstetter 3 Cushion Billiard Cues are made in the Adams Custom Japan factory. Adams Custom Japan also manufactures the Hall of Fame, Helmstetter and Balabushka Line of Cues.
All Willie Hoppe and Helmstetter 3 Cushion Billiard Cues come with 2 shafts with European Tapers and 12 mm tips. The Willie Hoppe and Helmstetter Billiard Cues feature a traditional wood thread billiard joint.
If my History is correct Adams and Helmstetter been making Carom Cue and in business Long Before you. What give you the right to question them.????
Splitting hairs. The OP said this was a Hoppe conversion which it is not, it's a new cue made by those you mentioned above.
These cues have been around a while. They are not conversions, of course.
I certainly wouldn't say it is a snooker cue style at all. Snooker cues are generally quite different from that style actually.
Historically, pool cues, snooker cues, and billiard cues can all be found with that "wedge" in the butt if that is what is being referenced. And that has been true for more than a century.
US and Canadian made snooker cues and commonly have used the traditional 4 point pool cue splice as well.
That's been true for a long time, just look back through the old catalogs for US makers like Brunswick etc.
Brunswick put his signature on millions of cues that were not carom cues...they were pool cues. How's that for history?
Personally, I think these Adam cues are kind of cool.
Predator also used the signature on a limited line of cues.
Whether or not the signature has been licensed, I don't know. It may actually be an "abandoned" trademark or something.
I do a lot of cue research regarding trademarks, copyrights, and logos, as well as documentation of the businesses that have owned them. I actually have not researched that signature and do not know who, if anybody, currently might own it. It may in fact not be the family or the estate.
Here is a reference to the matter at hand: http://www.trademarkia.com/willie-hoppe-71558208.html
That is only one link as an example. But one can see that it expired in 1992. and it was not owned by the family or the estate, it was owned by Brunswick.
It would take a lot more research to establish the current legal status. There are law firms that specialize in that. I do it for myself where I am interested. It would likely require international research as well since this product is from Asia. One would need to find out if there are any agreements in other countries with claimants/owners of that trademark in those respective counties.
If it is a trademark, copyright, or logo violation or something similar then ethically it should be reported to the owner of that.
Anybody has the right to question such a thing I would think. But I would want to research it before making accusations. Claiming to know any of the possible parties involved and what they might say about it isn't enough. In fact it would be far from enough.
As for the style of the cue, it isn't snooker style. It is in the tradition of US made cues from such companies as Brunswick. So I would call it an American style more than anything.
But that's just me.
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I certainly wouldn't say it is a snooker cue style at all. Snooker cues are generally quite different from that style actually.
Historically, pool cues, snooker cues, and billiard cues can all be found with that "wedge" in the butt if that is what is being referenced. And that has been true for more than a century.
US and Canadian made snooker cues and commonly have used the traditional 4 point pool cue splice as well.
That's been true for a long time, just look back through the old catalogs for US makers like Brunswick etc.
Brunswick put his signature on millions of cues that were not carom cues...they were pool cues. How's that for history?
Personally, I think these Adam cues are kind of cool.
Predator also used the signature on a limited line of cues.
Whether or not the signature has been licensed, I don't know. It may actually be an "abandoned" trademark or something.
I do a lot of cue research regarding trademarks, copyrights, and logos, as well as documentation of the businesses that have owned them. I actually have not researched that signature and do not know who, if anybody, currently might own it. It may in fact not be the family or the estate.
Here is a reference to the matter at hand: http://www.trademarkia.com/willie-hoppe-71558208.html
That is only one link as an example. But one can see that it expired in 1992. and it was not owned by the family or the estate, it was owned by Brunswick.
It would take a lot more research to establish the current legal status. There are law firms that specialize in that. I do it for myself where I am interested. It would likely require international research as well since this product is from Asia. One would need to find out if there are any agreements in other countries with claimants/owners of that trademark in those respective counties.
If it is a trademark, copyright, or logo violation or something similar then ethically it should be reported to the owner of that.
Anybody has the right to question such a thing I would think. But I would want to research it before making accusations. Claiming to know any of the possible parties involved and what they might say about it isn't enough. In fact it would be far from enough.
As for the style of the cue, it isn't snooker style. It is in the tradition of US made cues from such companies as Brunswick. So I would call it an American style more than anything.
But that's just me.
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My bad didn't realize it was a production cue
Still neat to me
Still neat to me
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It could easily fool the casual observer I would think.
Even if made from a Brunswick though, the blank would have been a production cue. And those cues were later supplied by Schmelke and Adam.
The Brunswick Hoppe cues have reached such a status that when customs are made from them nobody thinks at all of the fact that it is made from a production cue. They just call it a "conversion" and leave it at that.
The later ones by Schmelke and Adam may have been just as good or even better in fact. But they certainly son't carry the mystique of the older Brusnwicks.
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