Our group had a situation come up today that no one was sure what is the correct ruling. The player was shooting the 4, made the ball and scratched, the 7 was also pocketed at the same time. How many points are awarded to the other player? Logic would seem to say 7 since that was the highest ball fouled, right?
Need some help with rules
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Logic wins 
http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/RulesofSnooker
12. Penalties
All fouls will incur a penalty of four points unless a higher one is indicated in paragraph (a) to (d) below. Penalties are:
(a) value of the ball on by
(i) striking the cue-ball more than once,
(ii) striking when both feet are off the floor,
(iii) playing out of turn,
(iv) playing improperly from in-hand, including at the opening stroke,
(v) causing the cue-ball to miss all object balls,
(vi) causing the cue-ball to enter a pocket,
(vii) playing a snooker behind a free ball,
(viii) playing a jump shot,
(ix) playing with a non-standard cue, or
(x) conferring with a partner contrary to Section 3 Rule 17(e).
(b) value of the ball on or ball concerned, whichever is higher, by
(i) striking when any ball is not at rest,
(ii) striking before the referee has completed the spotting of a colour,
(iii) causing a ball not on to enter a pocket,
(iv) causing the cue-ball to first hit a ball not on,
(v) making a push stroke
(vi) touching a ball in play, other than the cue-ball with the tip of the cue as a stroke is made, or
(vii) causing a ball to be forced off the table.
(c) value of the ball on or higher value of the two balls concerned by causing the cue-ball to first hit simultaneously two balls, other than two Reds or a free ball and a ball on.
(d) A penalty of seven points is incurred if the striker
(i) uses a ball off the table for any purpose,
(ii) uses any object to measure gaps or distance,
(iii) plays at Reds, or a free ball followed by a Red, in successive strokes,
(iv) uses any ball other than White as the cue-ball for any stroke once the frame has started,
(v) fails to declare which ball he is on when requested to do so by the referee, or
(vi) after potting a Red or free ball nominated as a Red, commits a foul before nominating a colour.
http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/RulesofSnooker
12. Penalties
All fouls will incur a penalty of four points unless a higher one is indicated in paragraph (a) to (d) below. Penalties are:
(a) value of the ball on by
(i) striking the cue-ball more than once,
(ii) striking when both feet are off the floor,
(iii) playing out of turn,
(iv) playing improperly from in-hand, including at the opening stroke,
(v) causing the cue-ball to miss all object balls,
(vi) causing the cue-ball to enter a pocket,
(vii) playing a snooker behind a free ball,
(viii) playing a jump shot,
(ix) playing with a non-standard cue, or
(x) conferring with a partner contrary to Section 3 Rule 17(e).
(b) value of the ball on or ball concerned, whichever is higher, by
(i) striking when any ball is not at rest,
(ii) striking before the referee has completed the spotting of a colour,
(iii) causing a ball not on to enter a pocket,
(iv) causing the cue-ball to first hit a ball not on,
(v) making a push stroke
(vi) touching a ball in play, other than the cue-ball with the tip of the cue as a stroke is made, or
(vii) causing a ball to be forced off the table.
(c) value of the ball on or higher value of the two balls concerned by causing the cue-ball to first hit simultaneously two balls, other than two Reds or a free ball and a ball on.
(d) A penalty of seven points is incurred if the striker
(i) uses a ball off the table for any purpose,
(ii) uses any object to measure gaps or distance,
(iii) plays at Reds, or a free ball followed by a Red, in successive strokes,
(iv) uses any ball other than White as the cue-ball for any stroke once the frame has started,
(v) fails to declare which ball he is on when requested to do so by the referee, or
(vi) after potting a Red or free ball nominated as a Red, commits a foul before nominating a colour.
Thanks, that answers my question.
Do you normally play under international rules or American snooker rules? Just curious.
I normally play under a modified American snooker rule set and a foul like the one you mentioned would be 7 points regardless if the opposing player made the 2 or 7 when the player fouled. Under the rule set I play under,all fouls are 7 points unless a player has any running points. If the fouling player has more than 7 points running, then 7 is deducted from the total of the running points and the difference is how much the fouling player receives. If the fouling player has less than 7 points running, the difference between 7 and the total points running is credited to the opposing player's score.
I know the rule set I play under is a little odd compared to other rule sets but to each his own I guess.
I normally play under a modified American snooker rule set and a foul like the one you mentioned would be 7 points regardless if the opposing player made the 2 or 7 when the player fouled. Under the rule set I play under,all fouls are 7 points unless a player has any running points. If the fouling player has more than 7 points running, then 7 is deducted from the total of the running points and the difference is how much the fouling player receives. If the fouling player has less than 7 points running, the difference between 7 and the total points running is credited to the opposing player's score.
I know the rule set I play under is a little odd compared to other rule sets but to each his own I guess.
Do you normally play under international rules or American snooker rules? Just curious.
I normally play under a modified American snooker rule set and a foul like the one you mentioned would be 7 points regardless if the opposing player made the 2 or 7 when the player fouled. Under the rule set I play under,all fouls are 7 points unless a player has any running points. If the fouling player has more than 7 points running, then 7 is deducted from the total of the running points and the difference is how much the fouling player receives. If the fouling player has less than 7 points running, the difference between 7 and the total points running is credited to the opposing player's score.
I know the rule set I play under is a little odd compared to other rule sets but to each his own I guess.
Snooker has rules for all the world except the U.S. of A.
In the U.S. of A. everything is free form.
Anything that can be dreamed up by a player on his home turf, be the game billiards or poker, is what applies.
Unless his opponent has a bigger gang with bigger guns.
That is why Mr. Colt's 45 is called The Equalizer.
Be not afraid of any man
No matter what his size
When danger threatens
Call on me
And I will equalize
Snooker in America is armed combat
Potting skills are less respected than plinking skills
Foul
Not!.........
Not!.........
BobTfromIL is actually correct.
When you commit a foul stroke in snooker you do not score any points yourself should you have potted a "ball on" in that stroke, and the points awarded to your opponent are only to the value of the highest ball involved.
Best wishes.
Alan.