New case against smoking

[flash5153]

Well , I wanted to share a pic of the case re-stained . Jim Murnak had made this for me in a light brown. His work is still clearly seen. I did not mean to start a fire storm regardless of what one or two might think. So, here it is.

Falcon Eddie I apologize to you. I re-read some of my post and I was a little arrogant.(tiny) You took it well and didn't respond like the person I thought you would. (I get a little ticked about this type of thing)

You have a good looking pool case,,,similar to mine. Good Luck protecting it from the elements!!

 

[Spider1]

I didn't forget.... I just ignored my self imposed ban. I implemented the ban, and I can lift it as well. What is funny is why that bothers you so!! SO, for the record the ban is back in effect until further notice.......

Nah, it doesn't bother me at all. In fact I think it is pretty funny.

Funny like when you see an obnoxious drunk trip and fall, get up determinedly, then trip and fall on his face again :grin:

 

[vasilios]

Well , I wanted to share a pic of the case re-stained . Jim Murnak had made this for me in a light brown. His work is still clearly seen. I did not mean to start a fire storm regardless of what one or two might think. So, here it is.

Nice looking case

As far as the fire storm goes,don't worry about it.you made your post and it was just fine.it was short and to the point with a little touch of your view on a particular subject.

bill

 

[jmurphy]

A little info for you anti-smoking zealots. http://classic-web.archive.org/web/20050214135605/http://vialls.net/transpositions/smoking.html

p.s.- read the whole thing!

Thanks Neil,
I clicked on your link and Norton's anti-virus software kicked in and said the site was unsafe. :bash:
Smoking should be outlawed in ALL public places. Smokers are poisoning people with their second hand smoke that is the bottom line here.
Hey I am all for people having a smoke if they feel the need to, having said that a smoker should show other people some respect and got outside to smoke so that the only one being poisoned is the person who made the decision to smoke.

 

[Falcon Eddie]

Falcon Eddie I apologize to you. I re-read some of my post and I was a little arrogant.(tiny) You took it well and didn't respond like the person I thought you would. (I get a little ticked about this type of thing)

You have a good looking pool case,,,similar to mine. Good Luck protecting it from the elements!!

I want to thank you this post. I also realized that my post though not intentional was aggressive toward smoking. It was a play on words that did start something not intended. I never got into past threads on the subject because of what I learned in this one. They are meaningless as they serve nothing .
As for protecting it , I am considering getting another just for that reason.
Thank you again , Eddie

 

[Falcon Eddie]

Nice looking case

As far as the fire storm goes,don't worry about it.you made your post and it was just fine.it was short and to the point with a little touch of your view on a particular subject.

bill

Thanks Bill,
This subject hits home with many people on so many levels. My girlfriend was a heavy and what I would consider extremely hooked . She wanted to quit, but if the subject came up ..she would light up. She read this book by Allan Carr , Easy way to Quit Smoking. And when she was finished with it. She never did it again. That was 5 yrs. ago. I don't smoke so i never understood what it must be like. I respect the rights of all and know that whatever personal choices are made ..are personal. They are not done to offend , even if they do sometime.
thanks for this I felt bad about bringing it up afterward . You just made it a little better.

 

[Spider1]

Thanks Neil,
Smoking should be outlawed in ALL public places. Smokers are poisoning people with their second hand smoke that is the bottom line here.

Yes I think everyone agrees that smoking should not be allowed in places owned and maintained by the public. Private property on the other hand....

 

[Tramp Steamer]

Yes I think everyone agrees that smoking should not be allowed in places owned and maintained by the public. Private property on the other hand....

Your reasoning is a bit bit flawed here, Spidey. Almost all public property is privately held (owned). The rest is either owned, or operated by Federal, State, County, or Municiple governments. You can add schools, churches, and synegogues to this list as well.
When the privately owned business is open, during normal business hours, it becomes a place of public assembly and is therefore subject to any and all ordinances pertaining to such; fire codes, building codes, health codes, etc.
The only exception might be private clubs, but the definitions used to establish private clubs are generally complicated and prohibitive.

 

[Spider1]

Your reasoning is a bit bit flawed here, Spidey. Almost all public property is privately held (owned). The rest is either owned, or operated by Federal, State, County, or Municiple governments. You can add schools, churches, and synegogues to this list as well.
When the privately owned business is open, during normal business hours, it becomes a place of public assembly and is therefore subject to any and all ordinances pertaining to such; fire codes, building codes, health codes, etc.
The only exception might be private clubs, but the definitions used to establish private clubs are generally complicated and prohibitive.

If the building is not owned by a municipality or government entity then it is private property.

Being open to the public is very different than being publicly owned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_property

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

"Almost all public property is privately held (owned). " specifically is wrong. The two terms are mutually exclusive by definition.

 

[chefjeff]

Thanks Neil,
I clicked on your link and Norton's anti-virus software kicked in and said the site was unsafe. :bash:
Smoking should be outlawed in ALL public places. Smokers are poisoning people with their second hand smoke that is the bottom line here.
Hey I am all for people having a smoke if they feel the need to, having said that a smoker should show other people some respect and got outside to smoke so that the only one being poisoned is the person who made the decision to smoke.

If any property is "public," outside is it.

Inside is private property.

It's so easy.

Jeff Livingston

 

[jason]

Now there's your problem...

 

[flash5153]

Now there's your problem...

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LMAO Dam bird!!!

 

[jmurphy]

Yes I think everyone agrees that smoking should not be allowed in places owned and maintained by the public. Private property on the other hand....

If you mean "Private Property" as in someone's home I would agree to that whole heartedly. I however do not agree that the Privet Property argument should be extended to include businesses. I believe that workers have a right to a safe place to work. Most everyone would agree with the statement "one person's rights end where another person's right begin" so while I believe someone has a right to smoke if the choose too, I also believe a smoker does not have the right to poison the other people in the room.
I live in CA. a few times and while I was not there when the smoking bad was implemented to see the growing pains, I can tell you now that I saw zero adverse effects on businesses at this point. I went to bars, clubs, restaurants, etc..... and everyone was having a great time just like everywhere else in the country I had been before. People would step outside to a designated smoking area, have a quick smoke and then get back to partying. It was great, I went home afterward and my clothes did not smell like I had rolled around in a dirty ashtray all night. :thumbup:

 

[chefjeff]

If you mean "Private Property" as in someone's home I would agree to that whole heartedly. I however do not agree that the Privet Property argument should be extended to include businesses. (snip):

How do you define property then, and where did your concept of property come from?

Jeff Livingston

 

[vasilios]

How do you define property then, and where did your concept of property come from?

Jeff Livingston

def of private property.

after a special interest group gets a few laws passed.
private property becomes empty building that use to employ many people.

bill

 

[jmurphy]

How do you define property then, and where did your concept of property come from?

Jeff Livingston

Jeff,
Privet Property is something you own and is for personal use.
While a business owner may own his/her business and the land on which it sits they still have to agree to local & federal laws and regulations in regards to their business practices.
1. Do you think that a business should be able to serve the public and not be required to follow "Fire Codes"?
2. Do you believe that a restaurant should not be subject to health inspections to insure public safety?
3. How is a smoking ban any different from any other public safety measure?

 

[jmurphy]

def of private property.

after a special interest group gets a few laws passed.
private property becomes empty building that use to employ many people.

bill

Bill,
That is total nonsense. As I stated before after living in CA for a few years I saw zero adverse affect to businesses with the smoking ban.
The only way a smoking ban would hurt someone's business is like what they did in Las Vegas where it was a half assed attempt where some business had to follow the rules and others were exempted.

 

[chefjeff]

Jeff,
Privet Property is something you own and is for personal use.
(snip)?

That's circular.

Jeff Livingston

 

[vasilios]

Bill,
That is total nonsense. As I stated before after living in CA for a few years I saw zero adverse affect to businesses with the smoking ban.
The only way a smoking ban would hurt someone's business is like what they did in Las Vegas where it was a half assed attempt where some business had to follow the rules and others were exempted.

Well you don't live in calif anymore.so the smoking ban was not strong enough to keep you there.so why did you leave calif.

bill

 

[Spider1]

Jeff,
Privet Property is something you own and is for personal use.

Such as making profit.

While a business owner may own his/her business and the land on which it sits they still have to agree to local & federal laws and regulations in regards to their business practices.
1. Do you think that a business should be able to serve the public and not be required to follow "Fire Codes"?
2. Do you believe that a restaurant should not be subject to health inspections to insure public safety?
3. How is a smoking ban any different from any other public safety measure?

The fire code and food inspection comparison is absurd.

The public has a reasonable expectation when entering a place of business that the business has adequate fire safety protections in place, and doesn't serve tainted food. People don't go out to bars to get burned alive or have poisoned food served them. People DO however go out to bars that allow it to smoke and drink. By your standards we should outlaw serving alcohol which is also a 'public safety' and health risk. [<---click and read please]

So be completely honest: you favor outlawing all businesses that serve alcohol too right? Fatty foods? Processed sugars? Caffeine products? That's the problem with the one-pet-issue 'smoking is icky..ban it!' crowd: they advocate reprehensible infringements on people's personal freedoms and constitutional rights without even thinking through their philosophy and what it means to other activities, some of which might be things they like.

Bill,
That is total nonsense. As I stated before after living in CA for a few years I saw zero adverse affect to businesses with the smoking ban.
The only way a smoking ban would hurt someone's business is like what they did in Las Vegas where it was a half assed attempt where some business had to follow the rules and others were exempted.

YOU saw no affects. But you said yourself you were not there when the ban was implemented. Well some of us have been through smoking bans before (even twice) and actually work in the industry and saw what happens first hand. I wrote a post about it here.


Lastly, one thing that always cracks me up with the bar industry is so many people think they know everything (or anything) about it just because they spend a lot of time sitting on a bar stool. But that is a whole other discussion. :grin: