New cue tips - holes on the bottom

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eNkel

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I started to re-tip shafts for my club and myself. I discovered there are tiny holes at the bottom of the tips. In this case a G² Medium. Should I sand them down till they are not visible anymore or is it not a problem?



On this picture it is already sanded down pretty much with a 400 grit sandpaper. Dont want to sand more because I am not sure if it is healthy for the tip.
 
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I've installed G2's and this is NOTHING to worry about. Once you seal the back with CA and lightly re-sand it,you'll be just fine :thumbup:. Tommy D.
 
CA is short for Cyanoacrylate adhesive or "super" glue.

Just wipe a little on the sanded side of the tip,then wipe it dry. Re-sand it a little to make sure it's flat and clean and it's ready to go on the ferrule with a little more glue. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
CA is short for Cyanoacrylate adhesive or "super" glue.

Just wipe a little on the sanded side of the tip,then wipe it dry. Re-sand it a little to make sure it's flat and clean and it's ready to go on the ferrule with a little more glue. Tommy D.
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I did as you said, so the little glue layer on the tip should not be sanded off completely, am I right?
 
^ That is correct, a gentle swipe on a sandpaper is enough, just enough to make sure the bottom is flat.
 
Judging from the picture, those tiny holes are pigskin pores, left over from the tanning process to remove the hair follicles.
 
To my understanding of how glues work, it needs to penetrate into both materials and then harden for it to become bonded. Those holes shouldn't affect this process as it will penetrate the fibers of the leathers anyway. They might even help as it will provide deeper penetration and surface area for the glue to bond.
 
Skratch said:
To my understanding of how glues work, it needs to penetrate into both materials and then harden for it to become bonded. Those holes shouldn't affect this process as it will penetrate the fibers of the leathers anyway. They might even help as it will provide deeper penetration and surface area for the glue to bond.
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Also, a lot of guys will "score" that same face after it's flat. Take a razor and create a grid similar to a tic-tac-toe game. #..... it'll help with the glue.
 
eNkel said:
Hello!

I started to re-tip shafts for my club and myself. I discovered there are tiny holes at the bottom of the tips. In this case a G² Medium. Should I sand them down till they are not visible anymore or is it not a problem?



On this picture it is already sanded down pretty much with a 400 grit sandpaper. Dont want to sand more because I am not sure if it is healthy for the tip.
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This isn't a problem.
I install my own tips and have installed several G2, usually just go in
figure 8 a few times over an 80 grit sand paper, doesn't take much,
and then glue them on the ferrule.
I use the gel glue that Titebond makes. Forgot its name. Never had
a tip come off.
 
Tommy-D said:
CA is short for Cyanoacrylate adhesive or "super" glue.

Just wipe a little on the sanded side of the tip,then wipe it dry. Re-sand it a little to make sure it's flat and clean and it's ready to go on the ferrule with a little more glue. Tommy D.
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Thank you for your advice!

I still got a few problems:

I put a g2 medium tip on the wx900. Strangely I get a disturbing "tick" noise when hitting the cue ball. I don't think the problem is on my side because I already put a g2 medium 3 times on my shaft. Even on a second shaft i bought. Still the same "tick" noise and i put a tiger sniper on a wx900 and got a really good soft noise from it. But one from my club does have the same combination and the sound is much more less "high". I think they have a g2 soft on it and they think it is a medium. Only to be sure: is it the glue? I use loctite 401. Or what could it else be?

My other problem is: I got the surface of the ferrule a little bit crooked, but it is very little and i dont think much of a problem. But what can I use or do to get the surface back flat? I only use hand tools and dont have a lathe.
 
Skratch said:
To my understanding of how glues work, it needs to penetrate into both materials and then harden for it to become bonded.
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I'm not sure that it matters for this discussion, but in general, to "penetrate into both materials and then harden for it to become bonded" isn't how most adhesives work. That's not to discount a mechanical lock in porous materials by certain low viscosity adhesives, but surface to surface bonding / adhesion is through van der Waals forces and chemical bonding, especially with CA.

That's as layman as I'm going to get.

Freddie
 
eNkel said:
Thank you for your advice!

I still got a few problems:

I put a g2 medium tip on the wx900. Strangely I get a disturbing "tick" noise when hitting the cue ball. I don't think the problem is on my side because I already put a g2 medium 3 times on my shaft. Even on a second shaft i bought. Still the same "tick" noise and i put a tiger sniper on a wx900 and got a really good soft noise from it. But one from my club does have the same combination and the sound is much more less "high". I think they have a g2 soft on it and they think it is a medium. Only to be sure: is it the glue? I use loctite 401. Or what could it else be?

My other problem is: I got the surface of the ferrule a little bit crooked, but it is very little and i dont think much of a problem. But what can I use or do to get the surface back flat? I only use hand tools and dont have a lathe.
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Before you start installing expensive tips on expensive shafts
I strongly recommend you buy lots of cheap tips and install them
on some cheap shaft you may have or could buy.
I'd say get 10 or 20 cheap tips and install them all on the cheap shaft
before you start with the these tips on expensive ones.
Then you can also experiment and get a good rhythm down.
 
I always sand the bottom of my tips to make sure the glue is penetrating the leather instead of some tanning process residue.
 
Cornerman said:
I'm not sure that it matters for this discussion, but in general, to "penetrate into both materials and then harden for it to become bonded" isn't how most adhesives work. That's not to discount a mechanical lock in porous materials by certain low viscosity adhesives, but surface to surface bonding / adhesion is through van der Waals forces and chemical bonding, especially with CA.

That's as layman as I'm going to get.

Freddie
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Here's what Freddie is talking about...in English:

From Wikipedia

In physical chemistry, the van der Waals' forces (or van der Waals' interaction), named after Dutch scientist Johannes Diderik van der Waals, are the residual attractive or repulsive forces between molecules or atomic groups that do not arise from a covalent bond, or ionic bonds.[1] It can be shown that Van der Waal forces are of the same origin as the Casimir effect, arising from quantum interactions with the zero-point field.[2] The resulting van der Waals forces can be attractive or repulsive.[3]

Simple, huh? :D
 
eNkel said:
Thank you for your advice!

I still got a few problems:

I put a g2 medium tip on the wx900. Strangely I get a disturbing "tick" noise when hitting the cue ball. I don't think the problem is on my side because I already put a g2 medium 3 times on my shaft. Even on a second shaft i bought. Still the same "tick" noise and i put a tiger sniper on a wx900 and got a really good soft noise from it. But one from my club does have the same combination and the sound is much more less "high". I think they have a g2 soft on it and they think it is a medium. Only to be sure: is it the glue? I use loctite 401. Or what could it else be?

My other problem is: I got the surface of the ferrule a little bit crooked, but it is very little and i dont think much of a problem. But what can I use or do to get the surface back flat? I only use hand tools and dont have a lathe.
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If you're putting tips on yourself often, you can use this tool:
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/accessories/cuestix-2014/TRCTS.html

It does a great job for me. Otherwise, you'll have to rig some jig up with sandpaper or file and get the job done that way.
 
Skratch said:
If you're putting tips on yourself often, you can use this tool:
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/accessories/cuestix-2014/TRCTS.html

It does a great job for me. Otherwise, you'll have to rig some jig up with sandpaper or file and get the job done that way.
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I do have this, but I do a little extra work to have a flat surface on the ferrule.
I dont think the problem is on my side as I said. I think the shafts from my dealer are just broken. I'm going to put a G2 Soft tip now on a WX900 shaft which is not from the dealer I am buying my shafts. If the sound is gone then I know where the problem is.
 
eNkel said:
I do have this, but I do a little extra work to have a flat surface on the ferrule.
I dont think the problem is on my side as I said. I think the shafts from my dealer are just broken. I'm going to put a G2 Soft tip now on a WX900 shaft which is not from the dealer I am buying my shafts. If the sound is gone then I know where the problem is.
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But what you described is a sound caused by not getting both surfaces flat.

Freddie
 
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