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Rackin_Zack said:
IMO, since you bought the cue at a discounted price because of the defect you had no right to expect the maker or the seller to replace the shaft or take the cue back at a loss to them. I'm sure Coker would have fixed the shaft or made you a new one, but of course he's not going to replace, free of charge, a shaft that has been "around" as much as this one.
Zack, the discount was 25 dollars based on the fact that I was told it was a slight woblle/warp.

Come on people. A slight wobble is fine. A defect is another story. Would I honestly buy a cue knowing it had a defect and then agree to sell back a couple days later at a loss.
 
prewarhero said:
Zack, the discount was 25 dollars based on the fact that I was told it was a slight woblle/warp.

Come on people. A slight wobble is fine. A defect is another story. Would I honestly buy a cue knowing it had a defect and then agree to sell back a couple days later at a loss.

I suppose that's understandably a difference, however, you did actually go there and test hit the cue before you bought it. You should have tried both shafts and investigated the wobble while you were there. Again, just my opinion. Maybe I'm too much of a pushover...lol.

It's funny, I was watching a movie called, "The Cooler" with William H. Macy and they explained where the term "easy mark" came from and since then I've been checking my shirts for chalk marks...lol.
 
buddha162 said:
btw, and others with positive experiences should chime in as well.

-Roger

hey guys,

~ peace man ~ :)

Just thought of sharing my experience with Erik as i recently bought 2 cases and 1 james white from him....and i think he did a wonderful favour to answer all my questions esp since it's my first major purchase. Transaction was smooth except that i'm still waiting eagerly for it to arrive... :D
 
prewarhero said:
oh man, erik
That is a bit much. First of all, Coker said he could not take it back from me for the EXACT same reasons you mentioned. He said the cue could have changed hands several times and he has no contol over what happens to his cues once they leave the shop and change hands. He said if the orignal purchaser or someone he has a direct relationship with sold the cue, and there was a problem he would take it back. He told me to contact the person I bought it from. That was YOU!!!!

Second, I offered many times to come by your place. Remember your house is on the hay to and from Iowa. I even offered to leave it with your wife if you would leave a check. You said no. You then 100 percent stopped answering my calls and emails. Plain and simple. You know exactly what you did.

Third, I understand deflection erik. I have owned may cues. This was not a deflection problem, This was a defect.

Fourth I sold the cue on ebay (after you stoped returning my calls) I also explained the shaft problem to the buyer and he was fine with his purchase.

I don't have time to, nor do I care to debate this. The cue is gone. I took a loss on it. You acted in a way that I would not have and in a way that I would not want to do business with again. The transaction sucked anyway you look at it. If others want to deal with you thats thier choice. I think what bothers me th emost is you refuse to take responsibility for your actions. I would expect this from a kid but I didn't expect this from you.

Alright.. this thing has gone too far. This will be my last post to this matter and then Im done. Im not gonna let someone bad-mouth me on a business that I worked so hard on. I guess its to be expected that I cant please everyone....
1) Im not a Coker dealer and Tom would not take the cues back from me. Like I said before, I bought the cue from another dealer and that dealer bought it from another...
2) Im not a cue-maker so when that shaft rolled with a slight wobble, I took it as that, a wobble due to a slight warp. Even you didnt know about it til you had it looked over by that cue-maker. I have had cues with more wobble on the shaft and they were still playable. Sure I discounted the cue $25 and I believe Coker shafts only cost about $125... not $250 or $275....
3) I didnt want you to return the cue to me while Im not a home. My wife knows nothing about cues. I would need to inspect the cue in person to see if any other damages was on it besides that defect. Thats why I said No to that.
4) I recalled the your initial complaint was about deflection. You said that the cue generated so much deflection that its unplayable. That was your initial complaint... You also mentioned that 1 shaft was defective and the other was fine but still unplayable because of deflection.

Thats all I have to say bout that. I guess this is something between Jordan and I. Sorry that everyone else has to be mixed up in this. But to those of you who have great dealings with me, you know that Im not in it to stiff anyone...I like I said, I cant please everyone.. If anyone else wants to talk more on this issue privately, feel free to contact me at dooziexx@yahoo.com...
 
well i saw this and thought i would post my expierience concerning coker cues and about the return policy....first off coker is one of those cuemakers that is known to crank out many cues and have some of them come out sub-standard......as far as what was wrong with that shaft sounds like me it was cut out of round which is possible if the shaft has moved some in construction and re-turned but not trued up due to the fact that it would then be to small to be used........i just recently spoke with a cue maker that i feel makes a far better cue than tom and them no disrespect is intended just my opinion.......and when a cuemaker is of any sound charachter he would have at least asked you to send him the cue to offer to make it right....and as far as eric is concerned he should have offered to try to get it or help make it right....only good business sense......eric i noticed you said you werent a dealer for coker....i have it from a very reputable source that you bought your cues directly from tom for a sizable discount......whether thats true or not is for you to live with......i have a expierience dealing with you in that i tried to deal with you on 2 cues and both times you only wanted to deal in your favor nothing wrong with that but would have been very profitable to at least dealed with me on those 2 cues........and it was a crying shame.....i was really dissappointed in the correspondence that took place.....i have recommended to many people i speak with when asked about doing business with you that they shouldnt unless thats there last resort........you may be very workable with some but not with all.....and nobody has anything against someone making money but some of your prices are a little elevated and you know i speak the truth.......there are several guys out there that are fair across the board and i dont feel you are but now that someone has stood up and said something you feel it necessary to to let all the problems rest with them....well if you are gonna deal cues and claim to be as knowledgeable as you say then you should know how and what things are covered by any and all reputable cuemakers.....i dont have anywhere near the cash you have but i do know my cuemakers and what they will and will not make good....doesnt say much about the business you profess to have such a passion for......in my opinion just someone out for some fast and good monies.......thats just how i feel and my opinions......get mad if you like and rebut this......not trying to be mean as i have no need to be just wanting to shed some more light on this........juston

if you care to speak to me in private feel free to email me at quewhiz189@yahoo.com........jc
 
Juston,

You have every right to state your opinion. However, Erik Lee is not alone in the cue dealing world and there are other dealers who have really inflated prices on cues and are hardly ever willing to negotiate. If you don't want to give someone your particular business, that is fine, its a free country. I will say that its very low class of you to chime in a retort just because you weren't able to work out a deal with Erik and only after the fact that someone posted their supposed 'negative' experience with Erik. If you have something to say, go ahead and say it. Don't do it in the background all sneaky and shady wait to pounce on a guy when the time looks right to you.

And not for nothing, but I am aware of the 'deal' you inquired Erik about. No cue dealer or collector in their right mind would send you a cue before they got payment. That is just plain begging to be duped and swindled. You maybe up an all right, upstanding guy but Erik doesn't know you or ever dealt with you. Installment payments (sorta like layaway) means you pay in full before taking delivery, not the other way around. Nothing against you Juston, but I think you just expected way too much of Erik on his end for this deal to go through.
 
cuewhiz189 said:
well i saw this and thought i would post my expierience concerning coker cues and about the return policy....first off coker is one of those cuemakers that is known to crank out many cues and have some of them come out sub-standard......as far as what was wrong with that shaft sounds like me it was cut out of round which is possible if the shaft has moved some in construction and re-turned but not trued up due to the fact that it would then be to small to be used........i just recently spoke with a cue maker that i feel makes a far better cue than tom and them no disrespect is intended just my opinion.......and when a cuemaker is of any sound charachter he would have at least asked you to send him the cue to offer to make it right....and as far as eric is concerned he should have offered to try to get it or help make it right....only good business sense......eric i noticed you said you werent a dealer for coker....i have it from a very reputable source that you bought your cues directly from tom for a sizable discount......whether thats true or not is for you to live with......i have a expierience dealing with you in that i tried to deal with you on 2 cues and both times you only wanted to deal in your favor nothing wrong with that but would have been very profitable to at least dealed with me on those 2 cues........and it was a crying shame.....i was really dissappointed in the correspondence that took place.....i have recommended to many people i speak with when asked about doing business with you that they shouldnt unless thats there last resort........you may be very workable with some but not with all.....and nobody has anything against someone making money but some of your prices are a little elevated and you know i speak the truth.......there are several guys out there that are fair across the board and i dont feel you are but now that someone has stood up and said something you feel it necessary to to let all the problems rest with them....well if you are gonna deal cues and claim to be as knowledgeable as you say then you should know how and what things are covered by any and all reputable cuemakers.....i dont have anywhere near the cash you have but i do know my cuemakers and what they will and will not make good....doesnt say much about the business you profess to have such a passion for......in my opinion just someone out for some fast and good monies.......thats just how i feel and my opinions......get mad if you like and rebut this......not trying to be mean as i have no need to be just wanting to shed some more light on this........juston

if you care to speak to me in private feel free to email me at quewhiz189@yahoo.com........jc

Juston,
Nice of u to chime in...
1) Go call Tom Coker and ask him if Im a dealer of his cues. You want to know where I get them, well its from Roy Mallott from IndyQ and Mike Badzik when he has them. Thats it... Get your facts straight before accusations. Roy gets them from Tom and Mike gets them from his connections. Nice source you have....
2) Our deal that fell thru... Everyone listen to this deal. Juston wants my 2002SouthWest. He wants me so SEND the cue to him and make monthly payments for 4 months. And for that favor, he'll give me a Schick Sneaky Pete. Well Ive talked to Juston several time and Im not gonna trust someone like that off the bat. I got screwed off $1100 bucks before and sorry if I dont like the deal that you offered me.
3) And as for my elevated price... Go to classiccues, billiardcue and cueaddicts.. seems like my prices are on par with them..
4) I dont know what you have against me Juston. You have never conducted a transaction with me and then you bad-mouth me. All of my correspondence to you were written nicely. Seems like you are pissed at me because I wouldnt do business with you.. Sorry to say but those deals you offered me seems shady. Tough buddy.
5) I just started buyin/selling/trading cues about 2 years ago. I know what I know but theres also a crap load of stuff that I have to learn too. By no-means did I say that I know of every cue maker, their work etc...For those people that know me, I only give them my personal opinions on cues that I have experiences with. Those that I dont have experiences with, I dont comment on them unless I hear of something bad/good from the grapevine....

Looks like you are bashing me coz I wont do business with you. I will if you come up with some deal that I like. Dont get me wrong I would like to have that Schick sneaky (now on Cueaddicts for $795) that you sold to Greg Howard for approx $400. But for me to send the SW to you without paying... Come one.. get real buddy....
 
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Tell you what, Erik - just to smooth over everything, send me the Hoppe Scruggs you have and I'll pay you out over time. I'll even toss you a custom sneaky as well!

:D
 
1pRoscoe said:
Tell you what, Erik - just to smooth over everything, send me the Hoppe Scruggs you have and I'll pay you out over time. I'll even toss you a custom sneaky as well!

:D

Lol Roscoe.... will do.. what kind of sneaky you have in mind....
 
dooziexx said:
Lol Roscoe.... will do.. what kind of sneaky you have in mind....

Dan LeTeff, but the deal is only applicable if you send me the Scruggs first without any collateral whatsoever. As soon as I received the Scruggs, I'll go ahead and ship you my custom sneaky.

I'll pay you for the Scruggs whenever the money comes in.
 
1pRoscoe said:
Tell you what, Erik - just to smooth over everything, send me the Hoppe Scruggs you have and I'll pay you out over time. I'll even toss you a custom sneaky as well!

:D

Roscoe, aka Joerackem... Hey you know Georie Saunders......
 
Have I heard this before???

1pRoscoe said:
Dan LeTeff, but the deal is only applicable if you send me the Scruggs first without any collateral whatsoever. As soon as I received the Scruggs, I'll go ahead and ship you my custom sneaky.

I'll pay you for the Scruggs whenever the money comes in.

How come I keep thinking...

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today..."

Hmmmm

Shorty
 
This is going way to far

As I see it Erik is simply doing this as a hobby/side business. If you thought you were getting a fair price and bought the cue than had regrets, it is called buyers remorse. I guess you should have spent more time in search of the cue you wanted. Erik has done nothing wrong in either of the so-called "negative" instances presented thus far as I can tell.

With that said, I would never buy a Coker! If you can't stick behind your product than it is not something I am interested in.
 
OK.. forget the dealing stuff, I am still trying to figure out how a cue shaft, if seated properly in the lathe can get cut out of round. I am thinking it was done on a belt sander or something.. lol

Eric.. BTW welcome to the wonderful world of cuedealing ROTFLMAO :)

Joe
 
Well, so far, Erik is ahead by a country mile IMHO. I can't see where he stiffed anyone at all. Prewarhero had an opportunity to check the cue with both shafts and chose not to...who's fault is that? It was disclosed up front that one of the shafts had a problem...it seems to me that a reasonable person would have made sure that he checked the shaft in question before he agreed to the deal. I'd say this is nothing more than buyer's remorse.

As for the second contender...Juston..Come on, now...do you REALLY expect that someone is going to send you something like a SW and trust you to pay for it over 4 months? Have you lost your mind? Eric is cue dealer, not a loan company. If you want the cue that bad and can't wait until you save the money to buy it, why don't you go to the bank or to your credit union and borrow the money...or get a cash advance against a credit card? I'll have to say I don't blame Erik at all for not doing business with you under those conditions...I wouldn't either unless I got a cashier's check, PayPal deposit, or cash for the full amount....and I would have to question Erik's sanity if he did send it to you on "credit". And I think it is unfair and unreasonable for you to come in here and badmouth him over it. And then to complain about his prices on top of it? Hey, if you don't like the prices then why would you want to buy a cue from him in the first place? Why would you offer him a $600 cue for the favor of extending you the credit? That sure seems like a lot of interest to me...it would be much cheaper to borrow the money from a bank or something....there must be some reason for it....

From what I've seen in here, I wouldn't hesitate at all to do business with Erik.
 
This is just completely retarded. Erik: your image/reputation has not tarnished one bit as a result of this fiasco, at least not for me.

-Roger
 
Well you cant please everyone. I would judge someones business ethics on their overall results not just some isolated incidents, unless it were something to the effect of the buyer sending money and not receiving the goods. Damaged, refurbished, and used goods arent always the responsibility of the seller especially if they werent the ones to make them. I have never dealt with Eric but based on his prices and the numerous praises Ive read about him I wouldnt hesitate to do so. Im actually thinking about it but I dont think its right to call someone out like that. At least have the decency to do it on a one on one basis and not in public.
 
I purchased two Southwest Cues from Erik, sold him a Mike Capone Cue. The transactions went smoothly, communication between us was outstanding, I received the Southwest cues as described. Erik is a fine person to do business with. I will do more business with Erik in the future.
 
i've just received my james white and 2 cases from Erik today and i can only say i'm realy happy with them.

As i stand by my words before, Erik has been a real great guy to deal with, esp since this is one of my first times i'm getting customs from overseas. I def will not hesitate to deal with him in the future. :D
 
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