New DP-R shaft Question

Spimp13

Spimp13

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I just purchased this shaft for my wife's Dale Perry cue. It has a stiffer hit, comparable to the 314-2 (according to DP). She is on the fence about maybe sending it back to do the roll. It appears straight when she does a practice stroke/looks down the cue. I believe he will accept a return to get it fixed (it has not been chalked yet), but is it worth it? Maybe this is normal on this type of shaft or maybe the temp change from Florida to Iowa caused it to move a hair? Thoughts? If I remember reading a while back, that there is a misconception about rolling a shaft on a table as being a true test of a roll of a shaft. Wasn't there a better way to test the straightness of a shaft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd52uQcSzbI&feature=youtu.be

She doesn't want to be that "bad customer with unrealistic expectations" especially ift he roll won't affect the way she shoots.
 
Spimp13 said:
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If you roll it on a table, you need to bend over and watch it. You can see if it is straight.


You need to really bend over and look...just don't roll it and stay standing straight up.


What I just watched on YouTube, it is not straight.

Is that with the butt attached or is it just the shaft?


Okay...looks like just the shaft. I would send it back. Only cost $6 to send back.
 
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poolguy4u said:
If you roll it on a table, you need to bend over and watch it. You can see if it is straight.


You need to really bend over and look...just don't roll it and stay standing straight up.


What I just watched on YouTube, it is not straight.

Is that with the butt attached or is it just the shaft?
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That is just the shaft and the view is bending over pretty much.
 
Spimp13 said:
I just purchased this shaft for my wife's Dale Perry cue. It has a stiffer hit, comparable to the 314-2 (according to DP). She is on the fence about maybe sending it back to do the roll. It appears straight when she does a practice stroke/looks down the cue. I believe he will accept a return to get it fixed (it has not been chalked yet), but is it worth it? Maybe this is normal on this type of shaft or maybe the temp change from Florida to Iowa caused it to move a hair? Thoughts? If I remember reading a while back, that there is a misconception about rolling a shaft on a table as being a true test of a roll of a shaft. Wasn't there a better way to test the straightness of a shaft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd52uQcSzbI&feature=youtu.be

She doesn't want to be that "bad customer with unrealistic expectations" especially ift he roll won't affect the way she shoots.
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When the new shaft and butt are joined there is still a slight roll to it. Its not as bad as just the shaft alone.

(The original shaft that came with the cue (in Jan. 2009) rolls straight with the butt and without the butt joined to it.)
 
It's kind of deceiving because there is no warp-roll at the tip (where I usually look for it), but instead it's obvious at mid-shaft. I'd send it back and ask for a replacement. The worst they can do is say "No" and send you back the shaft.

If she doesn't notice it when stroking, you've got nothing to lose except some shipping costs.
 
Spimp13 said:
I just purchased this shaft for my wife's Dale Perry cue. It has a stiffer hit, comparable to the 314-2 (according to DP). She is on the fence about maybe sending it back to do the roll. It appears straight when she does a practice stroke/looks down the cue. I believe he will accept a return to get it fixed (it has not been chalked yet), but is it worth it? Maybe this is normal on this type of shaft or maybe the temp change from Florida to Iowa caused it to move a hair? Thoughts? If I remember reading a while back, that there is a misconception about rolling a shaft on a table as being a true test of a roll of a shaft. Wasn't there a better way to test the straightness of a shaft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd52uQcSzbI&feature=youtu.be

She doesn't want to be that "bad customer with unrealistic expectations" especially ift he roll won't affect the way she shoots.
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Send that shaft back .. It is not straight by any means .. what I saw in the video was not a slight wobble. That shaft will not play right -- send it back now. :eek:

Your post caught my eye because recently, actually currently, I'm test shooting a Shaft built by Bob Danielson of BD Cues.

I'm searching for a stiffer shaft with more feel and feed back than you can get from LD shafts produced by the major manufactures.

I like his shaft very much, hits a ton, straight as an arrow, and built from premium wood.

The difference in the quality and hardness of lumber in his shafts, compared to the more well known LD shafts, is instantly recognizable. Not to mention the difference in the Hit.

Sounds like you may be looking for similar qualities in a shaft as I am.

Here's Bob's contact info, he is a member here and a good solid guy to do business with.

Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
bob@bdcuesandcomix.com

The model number of the shaft I'm hitting is the 'SS360' - Good luck.

Life is too short to shoot with a crooked shaft. :D
 
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Straightpool_99 said:
Not all slates are perfectly straight. Especially old taples with inadequate support for the middle of the slate can become bowed over time. For that reason I always roll the shafts paralell to the long rail to bet the best possible reading of the shafts straightness.

Well, the shaft in the video is not perfectly straight. Thats a taper roll, pretty bad one too. Rolling a shaft on the table is a pretty good test, not as good as putting it in a lathe and measuring, but you get a pretty good idea of how straight it is none he less. If it's a DP cue the resale value is not going to be insanely high with or without the roll, so the question is if she is comfortable playing with this shaft, if she isn't send it back, it's that easy.

Some of my shafts have minor taper rolls that have developed over time. It happens all the time when the climate is different where the cue is made and where you live. The difference in humidity makes the wood warp slightly. Sometimes I think it can also happen with normal use. One side of the shaft may compress more with play etc. Personally I don't really care since there is no way that a near invisible taper roll can have any effect on my play.

If the roll gets too bad I use a screwdriver like you would use the Jacoby tool to straighten the shaft out to an acceptable standard. I never bother to get them 100% perfect though. Once the problem can't easily be seen rolling the shaft on the slate I consider the problem solved. But, some people let it get into their heads and it messes up their game if the shaft isn't perfectly straight, or they plan to sell their cues later. If you are one of those people you should definetly send it back. Life's to short to play with equipment you are not happy with.
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I'm not worried about the resale value of my DP cue. I really love it and don't plan on selling it (its not and ebay DP).

I'm more worried about the quality of the construction of this shaft if its brand new and has this much of a taper roll (especially when my 6 year old shaft rolls straight after LOTS of use).
 
SparkE said:
I'm not worried about the resale value of my DP cue. I really love it and don't plan on selling it (its not and ebay DP).

I'm more worried about the quality of the construction of this shaft if its brand new and has this much of a taper roll (especially when my 6 year old shaft rolls straight after LOTS of use).
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Careful now...you've posted more today than the last 3 years combined...you might get addicted to AZ. Your other shaft does roll straighter but it's not perfect either. I believe the rolling parallel to the rail was the test I was thinking that was better than just on the table.
 
Lol....I would rather be playing pool than talking about it online. :)

I have sent DP an email with the video link. Keep your fingers crossed.
 
Welcome, SparkE!!!!

i got educated @ Mosconi when we were @ Best Billiards. i didn't bring my cue. KK9 brought his, but lost his tip, compliments of Delta. so as i was running through my 9th house cue, trying to roll one straight to shoot a match, my English bloke, explained that rolling is not always the way to test it -

- and right now, for the life of me, i can't remember what the OTHER way was....i'll get back to you. but it worked.

but having said that, i can also say, that when furniture is shipped during winter, and they are solid wood, from 2 different climates - they sometimes warp and/or season-split. that's why my cue is fiberglass....

yes, slates might not be smooth. but my cue has ALWAYS rollen straight.
 
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Dale responded and we are going to send him another tip so he can send us another shaft...stay tuned!
 
Spimp13 said:
Your hot...just sayin. Good luck to you on your response.
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DP was very polite and responsive. He is sending a new shaft. :grin:

I asked if he wanted me to send this shaft back, and he told me to keep it. That sometimes it will relax and become straight again. That's EXTREMELY nice of him.
 
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The new shaft has arrived...crossing fingers it is straighter than the other one...still its a nice gesture of him letting us keep the other one instead of making us send it back before he sent out another one. The other one may straighten out or she may not even notice it's not straight when actually shooting with it.
 
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