New guy here. What Woods (materials) to stay away from for now?

DeeRay86

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As in the title I'm a new builder (10 years repair man) trying to find my way with a high tower midsize, Ridgid router and power feed and other tools of course. Im learning. I have heard that burls can be problematic so I'm staying away from them for now. But I have seen a few other materials like snakewood for example, and others that I have heard difficulties about. I was hoping I could get some advice on materials that are safe to start with and some materials that may be a little difficult but I can still learn from. Any other advice is much appreciated. From tip to butt.
Dees Cue Shop.
 
As in the title I'm a new builder (10 years repair man) trying to find my way with a high tower midsize, Ridgid router and power feed and other tools of course. Im learning. I have heard that burls can be problematic so I'm staying away from them for now. But I have seen a few other materials like snakewood for example, and others that I have heard difficulties about. I was hoping I could get some advice on materials that are safe to start with and some materials that may be a little difficult but I can still learn from. Any other advice is much appreciated. From tip to butt.
Dees Cue Shop.

2 days plus and no one else stepped up? :)

So not coming from a deep technical wood background?

There are ways to manage almost any wood for cue building, if you have the background.
If not, then you are sort of trying to attain ("master") 2 areas of expertise at once.

First - just telling you that (as an example) rosewood, or ebony, or even mahogany are "stable" would be true.
One of the reasons (as well as mass and good looks for the first 2) they were all used for cues. However, if you are not a woodworker, you would not know how to eyeball a piece of wood and judge whether it was a good candidate for staying stable. That depends on grain, how it was cut in the tree, and how (or whether) it is dry. Some cuts, usually the most spectacular visually, are really not stable. I'm of the impression (from specifying lumber for millwork, being around/using lumber, and seeing some cue blanks) that some wood sold as cue wood is mostly the scrap from other operations. That is not necessarily a bad thing. I made my first cue from a beeswing figure off-cut from manufacturing a run of custom flooring in my shop. When getting into really expensive exotics, some might be cut from branches or trees that grew with a substantial lean, and will be much less stable than trunk wood from a straight bole.

Cue makers get around it by coring, and taking years in process with drying. Some more than others, we all have theories that (mostly :) ) work for ourselves.

If you buy wood as lumber, it is generally supposed to be "dry" to some *uniform* condition throughout the lot; unless specified otherwise.
If you buy it as "turning blanks" it usually is understood in the lumber trade that dryness is not a requirement, and any 2 pieces might or might not be of the same dryness.

Some cuemakers core every butt, regardless the quality of the appearance wood. No reason not to. Types of wood like burls can be used without much risk if any, if they are stabilized (professionally, or learn to do it in shop if it interests you) & cored. ETC, etc.

What construction method do you envision for your custom cue making?

PH is generally pretty stable. Mahogany is a by-word for stable, though not much in favor these days because it is soft and light. Honduran rosewood is not terribly expensive and looks good. IME avoid "Bolivian" RW. (Pau Ferro, actually). it is a fun wood for some things, but not very stable, and unlike Honduran, it is not a real RW. I love bloodwood for lots of things, but it is another that is not intrinsically stable unless the cut and material as received are near perfect. The caveat for any of them is "so long as the grain is good and you know how to manage the drying".

Basically you have to go for it, make a few, take chances and experiment.
There's a guy on the owner-build cue forum that must make almost a cue a week, out of anything, and they look great!
Good design eye, too.
Peruse that section to get some ideas.

good luck!
 
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2 days plus and no one else stepped up? :)

So not coming from a deep technical wood background?

There are ways to manage almost any wood for cue building, if you have the background.
If not, then you are sort of trying to attain ("master") 2 areas of expertise at once.

First - just telling you that (as an example) rosewood, or ebony, or even mahogany are "stable" would be true.
One of the reasons (as well as mass and good looks for the first 2) they were all used for cues. However, if you are not a woodworker, you would not know how to eyeball a piece of wood and judge whether it was a good candidate for staying stable. That depends on grain, how it was cut in the tree, and how (or whether) it is dry. Some cuts, usually the most spectacular visually, are really not stable. I'm of the impression (from specifying lumber for millwork, being around/using lumber, and seeing some cue blanks) that some wood sold as cue wood is mostly the scrap from other operations. That is not necessarily a bad thing. I made my first cue from a beeswing figure off-cut from manufacturing a run of custom flooring in my shop. When getting into really expensive exotics, some might be cut from branches or trees that grew with a substantial lean, and will be much less stable than trunk wood from a straight bole.

Cue makers get around it by coring, and taking years in process with drying. Some more than others, we all have theories that (mostly :) ) work for ourselves.

If you buy wood as lumber, it is generally supposed to be "dry" to some *uniform* condition throughout the lot; unless specified otherwise.
If you buy it as "turning blanks" it usually is understood in the lumber trade that dryness is not a requirement, and any 2 pieces might or might not be of the same dryness.

Some cuemakers core every butt, regardless the quality of the appearance wood. No reason not to. Types of wood like burls can be used without much risk if any, if they are stabilized (professionally, or learn to do it in shop if it interests you) & cored. ETC, etc.

What construction method do you envision for your custom cue making?

PH is generally pretty stable. Mahogany is a by-word for stable, though not much in favor these days because it is soft and light. Honduran rosewood is not terribly expensive and looks good. IME avoid "Bolivian" RW. (Pau Ferro, actually). it is a fun wood for some things, but not very stable, and unlike Honduran, it is not a real RW. I love bloodwood for lots of things, but it is another that is not intrinsically stable unless the cut and material as received are near perfect. The caveat for any of them is "so long as the grain is good and you know how to manage the drying".

Basically you have to go for it, make a few, take chances and experiment.
There's a guy on the owner-build cue forum that must make almost a cue a week, out of anything, and they look great!
Good design eye, too.
Peruse that section to get some ideas.

good luck!
Thank you for your insight. very appreciated sir. You have given me plenty to think about.
 
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Also something to be aware of is some woods are pretty toxic. I forget the main culprits, but don't skimp on the dust extraction and PPE.
 
Dee-
Just build a cue or 2.
Maybe don't go crazy with your best ideas for style, inlay, rings, etc yet. Save them up in a file folder.
Don't spend $hundreds$ on "special" materials for the first few.
Just look in the home -builder forum for some wood ideas, and start building a cue from where you stand with the wood you have or can buy without too much co$t or loss at the moment.

The worst that can happen is a year down the road you will say "damn, this cue came out perfect and stayed straight! Why the heck did i listen to that lame old geezer on AZ and not build it with BRW and ebony with natural material inlays!"

OTOH, if you have a few "special learning moments" during the process of building it, or maybe it rolls just a little off but still plays fine next year, you will have taught yourself a few things and can take the next steps with confidence, just like you learned to do repairs.

FWIW i've been a high end woodworker all my life. My work is in buildings in Washington that if you are a tourist or a politician, you have walked on or seen. I made my first shafts in the 80's to fit butts other people gave me. Have sold cues and even have a couple requests which i don't deal with (build it, then sell it). & only make FS blanks. All that said, i'm far from expert & have not made a dozen complete cues yet myself because other interests keep getting in the way.

Start building! That forces you to decide how, for starters.

Good luck!
smt
 
Dee-
Just build a cue or 2.
Maybe don't go crazy with your best ideas for style, inlay, rings, etc yet. Save them up in a file folder.
Don't spend $hundreds$ on "special" materials for the first few.
Just look in the home -builder forum for some wood ideas, and start building a cue from where you stand with the wood you have or can buy without too much co$t or loss at the moment.

The worst that can happen is a year down the road you will say "damn, this cue came out perfect and stayed straight! Why the heck did i listen to that lame old geezer on AZ and not build it with BRW and ebony with natural material inlays!"

OTOH, if you have a few "special learning moments" during the process of building it, or maybe it rolls just a little off but still plays fine next year, you will have taught yourself a few things and can take the next steps with confidence, just like you learned to do repairs.

FWIW i've been a high end woodworker all my life. My work is in buildings in Washington that if you are a tourist or a politician, you have walked on or seen. I made my first shafts in the 80's to fit butts other people gave me. Have sold cues and even have a couple requests which i don't deal with (build it, then sell it). & only make FS blanks. All that said, i'm far from expert & have not made a dozen complete cues yet myself because other interests keep getting in the way.

Start building! That forces you to decide how, for starters.

Good luck!
smt
Thank you sir. That's just what I'm going to do. Just start building and learn from mistakes made. Like you said, the same as doing repairs.
 
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