New safety rule

[Shannon.spronk]

And the most exciting part that got the loudest applause was............the shot, not the safety's
Winning by forcing a guy to foul out, WOW!

I never care about audience applause. I typically dont have an audience that I am playing for. As far as winning by making a guy foul out, remember the key word there is winning. If I have a problem ball that I just cannot see a clear path to then I will play a safety in order to get ball in hand so I can make that ball easier. I will do it again and again if that is what it takes. The bottom line is that I can make some very difficult shots, but if I can play a safe to make those shots easier then that is what I will do.

 

[YubaCushion]

If the game is 10-ball why does someone get to win on 3 safeties but can't win when they make 3 balls, unless they're the last 3? The problem is not the safeties. The problem is the rule that you can win with 3 safeties. That's the only reason someone is referring to safeties as "powerful". It's because the rules make them so.

If a safety was just ball in hand safeties would be much less powerful and more in balance with actually making shots and making position. That would deflate annoying players who spend the whole first half of the rack trying to achieve 3-fouls on you when there are plenty of balls to hide behind rather than going for open shots and trying for a run.

That's exactly what I've been putting up with against someone I've been playing 10-ball with recently. For some reason he thinks he's better than me even though I'm winning 2 out of 3 sets consistently even with his stupid safeties. It doesn't take a lot of talent to pop the 1-ball up table and hide the cue ball behind a cluster. I kick pretty well and just used that for a while, along with playing safeties back. Also, it's using the rules, too, to just turn around and lock up balls instead of trying to escape the safety. I also stopped passing up combos on the 10 like I used to because I didn't used to want a quick win, I wanted to try for a run.

But the end result is that I got tired of it and decided to focus and win more and then rub it in so he'll be less willing to play with me. Because I don't develop my skills as fast as I want to playing against an opponent like this. I can learn to play safeties all by myself. I don't need an opponent at the table.

And how fun does that sound, not fun. Why do we play games. For fun.

 

[The Renfro]

And how fun does that sound, not fun. Why do we play games. For fun.

If that your happy place so be it... For others it's about many other things... Based on you posts in this thread I think you need to put in the time to actually learn to play this game....

Understand the real thought process of real players and not some local player that played safe more than he should have...

As you progress You will watch the game go from being about making balls to being about winning and then it ends up about just hitting the ball as perfectly you can and shooting the right shots every time you come to the table...

If you get to that last level winning takes care of itself and you will be a pool player.... Until then you will simply be like the rest of us.... Someone embarked on a lifelong journey.......

Chris

 

[Ralph Kramden]

This is where you are wrong, and if you pay close attention here, you really will learn everything you need to know about pool. I'm not kidding. But once I read your first line, I'm assuming you really don't know, and it's not your fault, we all have to learn.

But you say the object of the game is to make shots.... that is wrong, the object of any game is to WIN. Remember that. You are playing to WIN. And what you need to do is prevent you opponent from winning with any means possible using the rules to your advantage. So, as nice as I can say it without sounding "arrogant", you will need to step off the "banger" way of thinking... no offense to any bangers.... but the next level is winning... and you can't do it banging balls unless you are playing other bangers.. sorry but dem be da rules

When I'm in a tough spot I don't think about winning.
I think to myself ....What do I have to do to not lose.

 

[Bambu]

ChicagoRJ, you are right, the object is to win. But you cant win if you don't make shots.
To the others, I have acknowledged my appreciation for defense in a number of my posts on this thread. I use it to.
To the one guy that said I need to learn to jump and kick, I can jump and kick ok.
I have thought about it, heard the reply's and realize this. People who play a lot of safe don't possess the talent to make shots and are afraid of losing. It's ok. people have to do what they have to do in order to win. I will say that I have not seen a pro match where someone played safe over and over and over when they had shots or just to piss someone off. If they have it was personal not just part of the game.
Thank you all for your opinions.

You say you can jump and kick ok, you say safeties don't rattle you, and that people who play lots of safeties just cant shoot and are scared. So whats the problem? If it doesn't piss you off, why would you make a post about safeties being unfair?

If you lost to a lower level player on safeties, you probably made some mistakes. Reflect, maybe the other guy got a little lucky? I cant see comparing your safety happy opponent to a pro match, or the rules needing to be changed.

 

[allanpsand]

how do you abuse safety play? sounds like you need to learn to safety better and learn how to get out of them.

Big agreement. Exposing your frustrations with safeties to your opponent is a red flag to him to do more against you.

The book, "Basic Defense and Safety Fundamentals", should help you get the right attitude about defensive shooting (how to set up and how to respond). When you get comfortable with that level, you can get the more advanced "Safety Toolbox".

 

[cardiac kid]

Big agreement. Exposing your frustrations with safeties to your opponent is a red flag to him to do more against you.

There are only two circumstances where I actually play my opponent rather than the table. If I know they can't bank or kick. Other than that, don't care who is sitting opposite me. Nothing makes me more comfortable than listening to my opponent ***** about my safety play. Their demeanor and body language is a dead giveaway. The angrier they get, the more I torture them. It's sad but true.

Lyn

 

[allanpsand]

The angrier they get, the more I torture them. It's sad but true.

Lyn

And that is one of the many "easy" ways to win.

 

[YubaCushion]

I hear what everybody is saying. Actions speak louder than words, and there is no denying when you are in a hall and are waiting for a table or taking a break from practicing you can look around and follow the excitement hear the cheers, and feel good energy. The cheers ooh's and ah's are because of great shots. There is another sound, the sigh of relief. That sound can be heard when someone makes a safety. Sometimes a cheer if it saves a game. I have seen really good players and not so good players play friends for fun and in tournaments. I've seen more smiles and better games in friendly play (yes,with defense) that tournament play. Leave the tables with pockets for the shooters and the defense first players can play nine ball on a carom table. That way you can block shots all day and you save time never having to rack.

 

[Fatboy]

The object of the game is to make shots. If you don't have one, ok play safe.
Safety or not, you still have to make shots to win.

how long you been playing pool?

anyone with any time around pool calls it the "poolroom", green peas call it a "hall".

I'm gonna lock you up often as I can, even if i have a open shot, this tactic breaks you down then your beat.

not trying to be mean, but you need to gain some experience. Time is your friend.

 

[YubaCushion]

25 years. I don't know what I would rank myself. I am not a pro. I get it, the best offense is a good defense.Winning is the only thing. Defense is half the game. Getting in your opponents head. Winning by forcing the other guy to foul out. I know...I know...I know.That game to me is" not fun nor funny" (some people will get this). Maybe that's the problem, people think this is a sport and they are athletes.

 

[Fatboy]

25 years. I don't know what I would rank myself. I am not a pro. I get it, the best offense is a good defense.Winning is the only thing. Defense is half the game. Getting in your opponents head. Winning by forcing the other guy to foul out. I know...I know...I know.That game to me is" not fun nor funny" (some people will get this). Maybe that's the problem, people think this is a sport and they are athletes.

ok my bad , u been around some.

good luck with your game

best
eric:smile::smile:

 

[YubaCushion]

how long you been playing pool?

anyone with any time around pool calls it the "poolroom", green peas call it a "hall".

I'm gonna lock you up often as I can, even if i have a open shot, this tactic breaks you down then your beat.

not trying to be mean, but you need to gain some experience. Time is your friend.

Billiard halls are large. Rooms are small. Not a green pea. People run out of words for rookie. Head games don't work. People that cant shoot play defense or head games. It's ok.

 

[Banks]

Are you high?

 

[YubaCushion]

Are you high?

It was something I said in another post. If you never missed you would never need to play a safety. Not possible but true.

 

[Banks]

It was something I said in another post. If you never missed you would never need to play a safety. Not possible but true.

And if I was full, I'd never need to eat.

Is this another Pk incarnation or do you ask these kinds of questions regularly?

 

[YubaCushion]

And if I was full, I'd never need to eat.

Is this another Pk incarnation or do you ask these kinds of questions regularly?

No, I am not high. What question exactly. Are you regularly sarcastic with people "behind" a keyboard.
Be back later.

 

[Banks]

No, I am not high. What question exactly. Are you regularly sarcastic with people "behind" a keyboard.
Be back later.

No, I'm sarcastic in person, too.

Having to take a shot before playing a safe.. srsly? So, i lock you up then you have to try shooting from there and can't play a return safe? Let me know when and where and I'll round up every last penny i can get my hands on. I safe, you give up ball in hand or take a flyer, i make a shot and safe or run out and rinse n repeat. Brilliant idea.

 

[KRJ]

If the game is 10-ball why does someone get to win on 3 safeties but can't win when they make 3 balls, unless they're the last 3? The problem is not the safeties. The problem is the rule that you can win with 3 safeties. That's the only reason someone is referring to safeties as "powerful". It's because the rules make them so.

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I know not of what you speak? I've heard of the rule, but I can say I've NEVER played 3 foul wins in my entire life. So, my answer had nothing to do with 10b. So, I'm inclinded to agree with you, I don't like that rule at all. I'm speaking of where safties come into play the most with league players, which is 8ball.

 

[KRJ]

Well, we don't think it, we know it for fact. Do you know billiards had been considered for an Olympic Sport? It is a sport, just does NOT take much athleticism as many sports, but eye/hand coordiantion is a must, so is endurance, as is keen menal abilities.

I don't pool players think they are "athletes", but they sure are sporty sometimes !!!